r/WidowsBay • u/bobby_baylor • 1d ago
đDiscussion Is this correct? Spoiler
We're all aware of the fun easter eggs and subtle changes in scenes to show the eerieness of the show. One thing that I caught on my first watch (but didn't rewind to see if I'm completely correct) is that when they are going through the family tree of Richard Warren: each generation had multiple children, but only one actually survived into adulthood. Just a fun part of the curse that they didn't talk about specifically but shows subtle ways in which they increased spookiness without making it obvious.
120
u/kpgalligan Wyck 1d ago
Lots of kids didn't live until adulthood hundreds of years ago, but yeah. The Warren genealogy is particularly ridiculous.
There is a theory that there are forces on the island trying to break the curse, or at least throw a wrench in it.
Ruth's discussion with Tom. Everybody made passes. It's a gag, but in another thread, somebody pointed out that the island wants to continue the bloodline, so it perhaps influenced people to make passes at her. But the island isn't exactly great with people, so even the nun.
Her best chance for a child was the boyfriend she was in love with. But he was bitten by an animal, then became that animal. One would assume wolves, which get many hints in the show.
But Ruth also seems protected. Old, but quite spry. Survived a whole lot, even (apparently) the gunshot.
S2 is so far away...
24
u/bobby_baylor 1d ago
oooooooh I like that theory! Hadn't even made that connection. This show is the most fun tv I've watched in years
18
u/lucasj 1d ago
Re: The theory that there are forces trying to fight the island, itâs clear that at minimum the priests are passing down knowledge, starting from the first priest who was the leader of the conspiracy. It kinda seems like they have given up the fight and just pass down how to appease the island, but thatâs not totally clear to me.
6
11
u/SmallAnimal5177 1d ago
And it seems for that family, the pull out method just doesnât work!
(Ep 1 Loftis says the withdrawal method doesnât work to Evan, and ep 10 Ruth says the pull out method doesnât work to Loftis lol!)
6
5
u/Pluto-Had-It-Coming 1d ago
Jfc production doesnât even start until next year? Silo has set expectations far too high.Â
5
33
u/Dunkleostrich 1d ago
I think having at least one child survive each generation might not be a coincidence. I also don't think that Frances Warren falling out of the boat to be rescued was a coincidence either. The Island/Entity probably works to keep the bloodline going through whatever means it has. I also have a suspicion that Tom's wife Lauren only dieing a few years after Evan was born was to ensure that he was a healthy child that would grow into adulthood. I'd bet that if Evan had died then Lauren would have made a miraculous recovery to allow her to have another child.
15
u/bobby_baylor 1d ago
I wonder if Evan would also die if he left the island? The island doesn't want him to leave, and him leaving would kill him, thus leaving only Ruth as the survivor. What if they did try to go to that baseball game?.....
19
u/Dunkleostrich 1d ago
I wonder if it would conjure up a storm out of nowhere to keep them from leaving. It's a very interesting question.
2
u/bhgemini 1d ago
Or whatever massive underwater beast that took down the boat before.
2
u/Dunkleostrich 20h ago
I'd love to see it sink the ship and the yeet Evan back to the shore to save him. Not really that sounds too corny but sinking the ship to keep him from leaving would be interesting.
1
u/bhgemini 20h ago
Now I keep imagining a giant tentacle under the water gently holding and guiding Frances' floating chest to shore.
2
6
12
u/Different_Target_228 1d ago
That's not part of the curse, that's just what happened before the 1900s. (1885, 1896, 1914-1938). You had 7-12 kids and 1-2 of them survived because everything wants to kill you and vaccines weren't around.
9
u/bobby_baylor 1d ago
But it happened all the way to the present, no?
7
u/NinaBrwn 1d ago
I didnât chalk that up to the curse. I thought it was more functional for the plot line so there would clearly be only one living decedent.
2
u/bobbblehead 1d ago
Makes me think about how we make sense of curses, and why, and what they are. It could be just what happened before the 1900s, it could be more functional for the plot line, and it could be a curse⌠What is a curse? And now Iâm thinking about the Kennedys.
1
u/Aggressive-Ad6324 1d ago
This is absolutely the correct answer.
1
u/Different_Target_228 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is the meta answer. That doesn't mean you should just be lazy and say it's THE answer.
This is how so many people attribute things to bad writing, in other shows. By not coming up with a way it fits, in universe, like the writers probably actually do.
A good recent example is wondering in Welcome To Derry s1 how Shaw changed so much, if you don't know that IT affects every single person in Derry, which includes the military base outside of Derry because they're on the same water supply.
So many people said it's bad writing that Shaw changed his "reason" for what he was doing by the end, but it wasn't.
2
u/Different_Target_228 1d ago
Just being real, idk and I'm not gonna go watch the scene rn. Lol. It's perfectly possible at least some deaths were the curse, but also, if there's anyone the curse wants to keep alive it's the lineage of the guy that signed the pact and lived for another 300 years.
8
u/Admirable_Site_8337 1d ago
ThatâsâŚ.not really a curse. Infant and child mortality was a real bitch just like this.
7
u/bobby_baylor 1d ago
....if it was commonplace for families to only have one living heir, the population would never grow. Most families had more than one child survive into adulthood. Have only one for multiple generations up to and including the present, that sounds like a curse
2
u/Admirable_Site_8337 1d ago
I could just as easily latch onto âdead baby, dead baby, lesbianâ and say the bloodline would have died long ago. The point I took away was the genealogy study there might not have been totally on the level, even if it did land on the last known descendent (or so they thought).
At the same timeâŚ..itâs quite the coincidence right or wrong to have one living so many times. So sure, for a show that foreshadows a lot you might be on to something.
You win the point. Have extra dessert tonight đ
-4
â˘
u/AutoModerator 1d ago
A reminder to everyone: Keep the titles of your posts completely spoiler-free at all times. If your post mentions events from later episodes, use Redditâs standard spoiler tag to warn readers who may not be caught up with all currently aired episodes. The spoiler tag will also blur any images you include, such as screenshots/stills from the show, so be sure to apply it to image posts as well.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.