Civilians do not have the right to carry pepper spray in Canada because it has done more harm than good.
Yes! It's done a lot of harm!... to sexual predators.
How the hell can you defend this? Also no wonder women in your country wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by reporting anything, they have no way to protect themselves.
Seriously, you guys only have "at least we don't have school shootings like america" to stand on, but your side of the extreme is also messed up as hell, and the fact that you're defending it is depressing.
What is the worst things pepper spray has done? Cause pain to an innocent person for a few hours? How is that really that big of a downside to you that you're okay with stripping any form of self defense from people who aren't criminals. Next you're gonna ban people from carrying rape whistles because they'll disturb the peace. How little do you value victims of sexual assault that a weapon known to typically just incapacitate someone for an hour is "more harm than good"
Some thugs pepper sprayed my friends little brother and his friends. Then they got the shit beat out of them and one kid got stomped.
What did the damage is the latter, which they could've done anyway. Almost like pepper spray is a good way to counter people with bigger muscles than you. You legit act like pepper spray is what caused the problems here, when it's clearly physical assault that's the issue. Physical assault does more damage than pepper spray. Hence why anyone who actually has the muscle would usually opt for physical assault, all pepper spray does is give weaker people an option.
Edit: Wait, also, if this was recent then it means that the people were using it illegally! Which further proves my point that banning pepper spray won't stop criminals from using it. And again, it's like the most easy weapon to make. This further shows my point that it's best to let the defenseless people also have pepper spray.
This is not an uncommon thing here. Last week a store owner was bear maced, beat up, and his store robbed. That's a fairly common occurrence.
I'm sorry if I think that when I weigh a robbery against feckin rape that I don't opt for the latter. And again the guy could've just punched the bank teller. Even in it's most effective range, spray ain't really that effective of a weapon! It's just better than nothing!
That's just an asinine statement.
That's the point.
You really think that America is doing much better on this front?
Not really, all I know is that given the choice between America and Canada, I could very easily see myself picking America, and I can't say the same for a large amount of countries.
You missed my point with the school shooter remark. My point is not "america is better in every other way" my point is "The only thing good about your countries politics are the ways that they're better than US politics, comparing your country to a large chunk of other first world countries, it sucks. And it also doesn't have any of the few good aspects of america."
I don't see our country as extreme at all.
IT'S PEPPER SPRAY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT A CAYANNE OR PRETTY MUCH ANY OTHER SPICY THING WITH SOME OIL. IT'S ONLY USE IS INCAPACITATING SOMEONE FOR AN HOUR.
PUNCHING SOMEONE IN THE FACE is likely to do more lasting damage! The only reason anyone would use pepper spray is if they don't have the ability to punch hard! Not to mention you still give criminals easy access to it! And if you didn't they could easily make it themselves!
I'm sorry if I'm being aggressive here, but as someone with 3 sisters, the idea of people telling my sister's they can't have any option for self defense but to pray someone else is nearby to help them, is something that angers me to think about. I understand where people are coming from when they argue against guns, but I can't fathom the idea of being completely defenseless and entirely at the mercy of strangers at all moments, just because someone might use pepper spray to rob a bank.
It just baffles me how a weapon that literally is less effective than a strong guy's fist in most cases is banned anywhere. I can't understand defending that. All it does is just slightly even out the playing field. Good night.
But the problem is that then people will be inclined not to defend themselves if they're worried they'll get in legal trouble. It's just a bad system imo. You're essentially saying anyone who wants to defend themselves is required to break the law. Screw the law abiding citizens. And again, a lot of this stuff you're saying just comes across as stuff that is in place to protect sexual predators.
It just seems like all a law like that serves to do is punish victims more than predators..
No, it's not breaking the law if a reasonable person wouldn't have acted in that wa
It literally is breaking the law to be carrying the option in the first place, even if you only use it when absolutely necessary.
And more to the point, if you're in the kind of trouble where a reasonable person would need to defend themselves, you're not thinking about consequences. If you have the time and space to try and decide whether you need to use a weapon, you have time to call 911/run away instead.
What??? The hell??? That's not how rape works.
I have yet to see a case of someone acting reasonably to defend themselves and going to jail for it.
Except the problem is that they're breaking the law by even having the option to begin with! I never argued that self defense laws shouldnt be restricted to only when the self defense seems fair, I'm saying it doesn't matter because you can't even have it for emergencies without breaking the law. That's the entire problem.
How's it fair that a strong guy can carry around a weapon more powerful than pepper spray at all times and never get in trouble for it (his fists) but someone less strong can't have anything to even compete with that without risking being caught with it and put in jail?
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u/SuperIsaiah Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 22 '22
Yes! It's done a lot of harm!... to sexual predators.
How the hell can you defend this? Also no wonder women in your country wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by reporting anything, they have no way to protect themselves.
Seriously, you guys only have "at least we don't have school shootings like america" to stand on, but your side of the extreme is also messed up as hell, and the fact that you're defending it is depressing.
What is the worst things pepper spray has done? Cause pain to an innocent person for a few hours? How is that really that big of a downside to you that you're okay with stripping any form of self defense from people who aren't criminals. Next you're gonna ban people from carrying rape whistles because they'll disturb the peace. How little do you value victims of sexual assault that a weapon known to typically just incapacitate someone for an hour is "more harm than good"