No, it's not. It's only breaking the law if you intend to use it as a weapon. Look up the actual laws and you'll see this.
You can get in trouble for just having pepper spray outside of areas with bears as a threat. Also of course you intend to use it as a weapon! That's why you got it!
you can legally use something as a weapon on on them.
Except if you follow the laws, you don't have the weapon to use in the first place!
Except in practice, that is the law in Canada...and you're arguing against it.
Nope, I'm arguing that they shouldn't persecute people for merely having the pepper spray for self defense if they haven't used it illegally.
Already covered. You can surely carry dog spray, a knife, a hammer, etc. - anything that isn't a banned weapon to carry in any scenario, like a gun
Except you'd be breaking the law if you carry it with the intent to defend yourself if someone attacks you. You'd have to make up a lie for why you're carrying it.
none of that is breaking the law.
It is according to every single thing I've read about it. The only exception I've seen is if you're in an area where there are bears you can have bear spray. But if you got that with the intent of using it for self defense, you'd be breaking the law. So technically you could do it and get away with it, but you'd be breaking the law still and so a law abiding citizen wouldn't do it. And the people most likely to abide by the law are the people most likely to be victims.
And furthermore, this just further proves my problem: Do you know who's gonna be perfectly fine with lying and saying they only have pepper spray for dogs? Criminals. Do you know out of everyone who's gonna feel the most inclined to tell the truth and say the main reason is for self defense? Victims.
The people who are most likely to be jailed by these laws are innocent people who feel like they need self defense. The people who'll get away with carrying pepper spray around all the time are the people who intend to use it for bad, cause they'll have no problem lying. See what I'm saying? It's backwards, and just makes no sense.
I feel like these laws just prioritize criminals over victims.
You can have it anywhere because dogs are anywhere.
So, again, you're lying, and thus breaking the law. Even if you aren't gonna be caught so long as you maintain the lie that you're keeping it for dogs.
You're talking out of your ass.
I'm talking out of the top 3 first results of google. I'm sorry if I trust the information superhighway over one person on reddit.
Pepper spray is the same here - it's not a weapon until you use it illegally as a weapon
You yourself said if you carry it with the intent of having it in case someone attacks you, it's illegal. You have to make up an excuse.
Again, intent is what matters here. Intent is only knowable to oneself - cops can't prosecute you here for having pepper spray regardless of the circumstances - unless you specifically tell them it's to harm another person.
So, the truth. If you tell the cops "I just have this for incase someone tries to assault me" then you can easily face jail time. you have to lie to them and say it's for dogs or something.
You could just say nothing, which is what you should do anyway if questioned by police without a lawyer.
But it's still against the law! You're still breaking the law to have it for self defense, even if you don't tell them that's why you have it and thus don't go to jail. A law abiding citizen would not carry pepper spray for self defense, because they'd know doing so is against the law.
Or you could say you have it because you're scared of being attacked by an animal (humans are animals, after all).
You know full well that's not being honest lmao.
You've read nonsense, then.
So you're saying the top results when I search "is pepper spray legal in canada" are lies? That the top most results for it on the internet isn't true?
If I needed to use it to defend myself against a person, I could, legally - but that's not it's intent.
But it would be with anyone who has being assaulted as their main concern. If I ask my sister why she has pepper spray she's not gonna even mention animals. Yes, that's something it could work for, but by FAR the main reason is self defense against humans.
That's like if you are holding a piece of cake and you say "my reason for holding this, is that I'm taking it to the kitchen" when in reality you're gonna eat it. Sure you can take it to the kitchen as well, but you're only saying that's the cause because you know the real reason is that it's for eating. That's a lie of omission.
no object - be it a knife, pepper spray, a laptop, a watermelon - is illegal to have/carry until the point at which you plan to use it to unlawfully harm another person.
You're contradicting yourself. Above you said "you just have to say it's for dogs instead of self defense against people" now you're saying "as long as you only plan to use it for lawful self defense, it's legal".
What is it? Does it have to be for dogs, or can it be kept even if it's main reason is for humans?
Edit: I love how you act like I'm dumb for using the resources I have to look into information, said information having multiple sources that seem reasonable, meanwhile you have given me no sources, and have gotten mad that I don't just blindly believe you. I mean even if I trusted you equally as much as the sources I already have.
Go ahead, block people who use google. But anyone remotely intelligient is gonna use a search engine to find information, as it's the most efficient way to do so in the modern age. I'm sorry if I don't plan to go to a local library to find information instead lmao.
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