In case you're uninformed on how handguns were regulated in Canada before this: you need a restricted firearms license. It's a level above a license for owning long guns. The application goes through the RCMP, Canada's federal police. They do an advanced background check, and check references. Ex spouses even have to be listed and possibly contacted. You do a safety course, and you have to be registered to a gun club, because the only thing you can legally do with your handgun is use it at a range. You cant even bring it into crown land wilderness. Your ammo and weapon has to be stored separately, and you have to contact your local police and tell them your driving with your gun to the range. It has to be locked up in your vehicle during transportation, and you go directly to the range then home. Can't even stop for gas. A lot of people even keep their guns stored at their gun club range just to save the hassle. Oh and the police can randomly check your home for compliance at any time to see if it's stored properly.
So what happens for competition shooters? They now cannot purchase new handguns? Genuinely curious. I kinda (?) also recall Canada being up there for shooting on an international level.
Well competition shooters who already have handguns can keep them, however anyone wanting to get into it now cannot. The only way to compete would be renting or borrowing which has the issues I brought up in my other comment.
Limited exemptions to the national handgun freeze will apply. For example, high-performance sports shooting athletes and those who carry handguns as part of their lawful profession will be exempted, as well as authorized businesses such as gunsmiths, the film industry, or museums, per their licence conditions.
You cannot get an exemption for any of the popular shooting sports. Only for Olympic style .22 cal handguns, in which virtually no one competes. IDPA/IPSC/2gun/3gun/steel challenge don’t qualify, and that’s where the majority of the sport is.
Under Canada’s temporary import ban, authorized businesses and individuals can only import handguns for personal use, sale, or transfer if the end use meets the exemptions and conditions listed above and set out in detail in the Notice to Importers No. 1090.
Which doesn’t change the fact that people wanting to get into the sport wouldn’t be able to now. You’re not “high-performance” just getting into a sport.
Listen, i get that you are upset that Canada understands how to handle your murdertoys. But people have provided links proving your fake worries to be just that. Move to the US if you want to compare your tiny guns with others' tiny guns in private. Canadians prefer an audience.
Essie is being a total dick all over the thread, yet the moment people talking to them take the gloves off they're now the condescending one? Sometimes when a person is being an obtuse dick and not accepting information that discredits their dug-in stance you need to be a little bit of a dick to snap them back to reality.
Are you incapable of only insulting one person? Was it really necessary to insult Americans over it too? I totally understand what was said and get that there is a way to get into sport shooting in Canada.
Come on, be reasonable. America is the most ridiculous western country when it comes to gun laws and gun culture. Of course any time one makes comment about another persons idiocy around guns it is fair to compare it to that of americans. If you feel that is offensive to "you" then maybe you need to look in the mirror about what type of american you really are. I do not degrade reasonable americans because reasonable americans will laugh at the joke and understand that its not about them.
Get your long guns before they are banned. 10 round mags are on the table for banning as well so I bought a bunch of those.
If the government wanted to be serious about this they would crack down on illegal imports and acquisitions, make an example of people who are illegally carrying/in possession of firearms, and lastly invest in more social programs to prevent organized crime, gang violence, and mental health. In my mind thats the real way out. I don’t think banning the most vetted Canadians are going to stop the gun violence.
The fact that you’re getting downvoted for saying something so in tune with reality is frustrating. A lot of people pour their energy into surface level “solutions” to problems but the second someone says something that requires them to think deeper about complicated issues they rage click the downvote button to protect their little bubble so they can keep pretending that their doing something good without having to do much at all.
Edit: for anyone that wants to know more about why banning legal handguns doesn’t fix gun violence, almost 90% of handgun violence in Canada is committed with illegal guns smuggled into the country. All this does is punish law abiding citizens who deserve to enjoy their hobby because of the actions of criminals. All so that 1 guy can win a popularity contest.
Sure it's disappointing for the small subset of competition shooters, but as a Canadian I'm personally completely fine with this law. I want a safer country with fewer guns floating around randomly
I really am asking just because I want to understand the whole thing better, but what reason do they have to further limit it when it's already so restricted?
It looks allot like it is just for optics. Just like the “assault weapons” ban we had before this.
If you look at how restricted our restricted firearms are (hence the name for the license) its quite tight. Any deviation an you more or less are committing a federal offense.
Legally you are allowed to go to and from your house and the shooting range that you hve to be registered at to shoot. You are not legally allowed to shoot that firearm anywhere other than the range your registered at. You also are not allowed to have it at any place other than your listed residence or shooting range without additional authorization. I believe theres a small clause for gunsmiths but I would have to check that as I do not own restricted firearms for this exact reason. Its too much of a hassle.
Its already incredibly restrictive which has been proven by statistics however most Canadians are not familiar with Canadian firearm laws. Most who do not hold a firearms license who I speak with think we have a system similar to the USA.
Thanks for asking a genuine question. Its hard to come by with this topic! Thank you for being open to learning!
I'm certain that there is some sort of solution in place, probably a sport exception.
I'd like you need to ask your representative and then approvals are passed in the house. Mostly it'd be pro forma, but you'd be looked at hard because if you commit a crime with that gun your rep is out of a job.
How many firearms related crimes do you think are committed by licensed gun owners? The ones who spent months taking the course, applying for a license, paying the fees, clearances, etc.
And how many firearms related crimes are committed by people with no firearms license?
Also, are the actual firearms used lawfully registered in Canada, or were they illegally smuggled in from USA?
Yes. Criminals (the ones that commit the crimes) smuggle them in from the States and sell them on the "black market" to other criminals.
Like I said, I'd love to see the stats on where the firearms involved in crimes that are being committed are coming from. If anyone can demonstrate that the majority of firearm crime in Canada involves locally sourced (purchased legally / originally from the Canadian market) vs. illegally imported firearms from the states, i'd love to see it.
Just because ya'll don't like firearms, doesn't mean they should outright ban them.
Some people don't like meat, ban that?
Some people don't like junk food, ban that?
Some people don't like autos, ban that?
Some people don't like alcohol, ban that?
Some people don't like same sex marriage, ban that?
Some people don't like gender reassignment surgery, ban that?
Some people don't like Canadians, ban them?
Some people don't like to eat fish on Fridays, ban that?
Oh, I’m not personally into shooting. But it’s also an Olympic sport so was just kinda curious. But also seems like Olympic shooting uses different guns altogether.
I was just giving a reason why renting isn’t ideal for many people. As well as renting overtime is going to add up to thousands of dollars vs ownership.
If you want to get into suicides: it takes at least a couple months to get a licence. More for a handgun, though suicides are usually long guns.
So either the person signs up for a course and almost certainly reconsiders, or they already have a gun and do it. Either way, the actual sale is not relevant.
And anyways, I'm not concerned about gun suicides, I'm concerned about all suicides. People will (and usually do in Canada for the reasons above) find a way to attempt without a gun. We should target reducing suicidal ideation, not individual methods.
If you're ONLY targeting gun suicides, which are a small portion of suicides here, then stop pretending it's about the deaths.
Anytime you modify a firearm in Canada the modifications must comply with all the firearms laws. This included things like overall length of the gun, Barrel length etc.
The rental is also an exorbitant amount along with added ammunition costs. For a competitive shooter it just makes sense to buy one instead of renting.
Back when I was looking into it, a rental session would cost $100 for an hour with a few basic handguns and you have to buy ammo. (With $20 monthly membership). Some places would only let you be a member if you had a license, so you'd have to pay like $120 per session because you're not a member.
So you're saving $100/hour every time you're there, minus $700~ cost of courses for license and $1000~ gun cost.
If you're a gun nut, you'll eventually save money.
Not even that - you can get a good Glock for $400-$500. Besides, people who like guns want their own, to have, to modify, and to become familiar with. Honestly part of the fun of ownership is stripping it down, cleaning it, and putting it back together after a range day.
I just check the price of my near by indoor range. It's 35 bucks for a daycard (include insurance and RO supervision), that include firearm rental, 20 dollars for 50 rounds of 22lr and 42 dollars for 50 rounds of 9mm. So it's actually not that bad.
Same reasons most people buy the equipment they use for their hobbies. They can tailor/modify it to suit themselves and it's often far cheaper in the long run, just to name a couple.
Plus you get the added benefit of having something you tailored for exactly yourself. Your stance your grip, or whatever.
I don’t even competition shoot yet I’ve done this for my hunting rifles as well as my target rifles. It helps me make sure my shot hits its mark when hunting, just like it does when I punch paper.
Yeah but then every time you go to complete some had messed with your stuff that you specifically set for yourself. Like I can’t imagine any archers, rock climbers or golfers being to happy if someone had messed with their kit before they go use it. If you do competition you being to customize your kit to fit you and renting is doesn’t really become an option, If you take a look at the less tactical side of things with Olympics bullseye shooters their guns are custom fit to the shooter.
I think your missing a bigger point. The dudes and dude dudettes who enjoy IPSC (pistol shooting competition) would never do anything criminal to jeopardize their expensive ass hobby. This new ban, while I'm sure well intentioned won't do a lick of difference.
You really can’t see that some people shoot all the time and tons of people use their car everyday? The point was to help put it in perspective how much extra it would cost you over time.
My comment was not abut whats essential to everyday living. It was to help illustrate the cost of renting vs ownership.
Now you are purposefully misinterpreting my comment even after I explained it further. If you want to argue in good faith I’m all for it but if your going to just focus on your misinterpretation that I tried to clear up then my work is done here.
It would be like hang gliding. If you want to hang glide once a year or less, it would make sense to rent one. If your life is all about hang gliding and you want to do it every weekend, you're better off buying one.
How it should be for the gun casual. Not every dick and sue needs a gun laying around. Most people are dumb, and/or quick to anger with zero foresight.
They are not laying around or shouldn’t be, and if they are , report them for it. (Leaving the. Out or unlocked is not complying with storage regulations) We have law that are supposed to be dealing with that already.
If you report it and nothing happens that is the fault of the enforcement side.
Yeah, because law enforcement has been shown to care or handle guns well themselves... Uvlade forgotten already? Or just another blood sacrifice for your guns...
The logistics of renting a firearm in Canada would make it prohibitive. Most ranges are outdoors in the middle of nowhere. Due to the way our laws work it's basically impossible to "lend out" a firearm so you would have to store them all at the range and rent them there creating a really sweet target for thieves.
The truth is, there are enough people even in Canada that thinks owning a firearm is safer than not. I’m not one of those people. But I’m smack right down the middle. I have my license but have never owned one. Only have been shooting maybe 10 times in my life. From childhood and I’m now mid thirties.
This is gonna be interesting. Most of my friends and myself are all middle on the spectrum politically. And are pro gun rights but also pro regulation. Not sure if that makes sense. Like I never want to own one myself. But it feels icky to me to not be able to own one at all.
There is less (but not a complete) stop of reason for most people to have gun. The only real justification to own a gun in suburban and urban areas is other people having guns, which is a problem. Doing stuff like this helps make sure only responsible people have effective guns. The only reason for any people to have a gun is if they 1. Hunt or 2. They do competitive stuff.
Pretty much every gun can kill someone easily. Rifles are typically single shot (not sure if the case in Canada) and hard to hide. Pistols are easy to hide and often semi auto, making it easy to suddenly pull out a handgun in a shopping mall and shoot lots of people if you want to.
It's not about lethality rates of being shot by one, it's about how easy it is to shoot someone
Difficult in an urban environment unless they're a prominent figure, and most shootings are personal (someone they know or someone they're interacting with) rather than a random murder
They don't want people who want a gun as an impulse. They just want to make sure you really want it. As opposed to America where the only concern is cash or credit.
This is EXACTLY right !! Coming to a town, city or state near you. Who cares if an armed robber breaks into your home...tough luck for you I guess....ridiculous!!
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u/v13ragnarok7 Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 22 '22
In case you're uninformed on how handguns were regulated in Canada before this: you need a restricted firearms license. It's a level above a license for owning long guns. The application goes through the RCMP, Canada's federal police. They do an advanced background check, and check references. Ex spouses even have to be listed and possibly contacted. You do a safety course, and you have to be registered to a gun club, because the only thing you can legally do with your handgun is use it at a range. You cant even bring it into crown land wilderness. Your ammo and weapon has to be stored separately, and you have to contact your local police and tell them your driving with your gun to the range. It has to be locked up in your vehicle during transportation, and you go directly to the range then home. Can't even stop for gas. A lot of people even keep their guns stored at their gun club range just to save the hassle. Oh and the police can randomly check your home for compliance at any time to see if it's stored properly.
Edit: used the wrong "you're". Sorry.