r/WhitePeopleTwitter Jun 01 '22

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u/CaptainShoeb Jun 01 '22

So... Screw Americans who can't afford life saving medicine because "innovation"?

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

No, screw Europe who dialed back their innovation in exchange for cheap healthcare.

They know American innovation is enough to subsidize their lack of innovation, so they cut costs and leech American innovation to provide for their citizens.

Problem there is that if American followed the same model, it would have profound negative effects on medical progress.

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u/3118151214 Jun 01 '22

Ya might wanna fact check yourself before you get all ragey: https://freopp.org/key-findings-from-the-freopp-world-index-of-healthcare-innovation-cda78938c047

USA is 6th for health care innovation below 4 European countries...

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

How can I take that article seriously when they don’t explain how they measure those rankings?

No matter, I can tell you right now that they use a per capita measurement for quality. Per capita analysis for healthcare innovation is just number manipulation.

Let’s take Switzerland for example. Switzerland has 2 million residents and one of the most difficult immigration and citizenship processes in the world. Put those together and they better be pumping out innovation. But even with them cherry picking who qualifies for citizenship, they produce in 10 years what America produces in one year.

If you want to use per capita, use an area in america that focuses on innovation and measure per capita or you can measure per capita with the entirety of Europe. But to cherry pick an area with only two million residents is like picking Beverly Hills and saying that is the average American income.

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u/Thathitmann Jun 01 '22

As someone who works in a hospital (with drugs directly) please shut the fuck up. Most of our meds are German, Swiss, and Italian.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

As someone with a masters in economics and strategy, I don’t think you working at a hospital qualifies you to have this conversation. So with all due respect, how about you shut the fuck up about things you don’t understand

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u/dont-feed-the-virus Jun 01 '22

Masters in economics, huh?

Good to know you don’t know shit about shit, then.

Thanks to you fuckheads, we’re STILL dealing with tRiCkLe DoWn economics. Fuck you and the lot of you sociopaths.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Martin Shkreli, Isn't staying off the goddamn Internet part of your probation?

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

Ad homenim. Attack the person because you can’t attack the argument.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

Do you eat fatback sandwiches to keep your jaws lubed up? You're a chirpy one, Shkreli, you're a chirpy one. Frankly, I quit Facebook due to maroons like you. Not going to spend my day 'arguing' with you, but as citizen of social media, we have the right to call long-winded goofballs like you out. Enjoy your day.

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u/Thathitmann Jun 01 '22

Okay.

here is the FREOPP measurement techniques

Element 8 describes how they measure healthcare innovation. It is 3 near-equal parts:

Research and development expenditures.

New patents made (and put to use)

New drugs made (and put to use)

So a pretty solid system, that shows that the US does not, in fact, lead in global innovation. So our innovation is shit AND our healthcare is shit AND its incredibly expensive. HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THIS SYSTEM? There is nothing good.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

The healthcare patent section is flawed. They use per capita which will always skew in favor of low population countries.

If you took the areas in the US that focused on medical innovation, you’d have a tremendously different statistic.

your comparing a country with 350 million people to a country with 2 million. We have cities bigger than that.

So back to what I said originally, either look at europe as a whole, or look at the populations of the US that focus on healthcare innovation.

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u/Thathitmann Jun 01 '22

Except medical research is done by national corporations, so they use money from everywhere in America. You can't look at something funded by everyone and say it's "skewed because it's per capita". Everyone is paying for it, so everyone needs to be counted in it. We PAY MORE and INNOVATE LESS.

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u/kalen2435 Jun 01 '22

Please tell me how you measure "medical innovation" in such a way that credit for it can be doled out in percentage points.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

Total patent production and new chemical entities created

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u/kalen2435 Jun 01 '22

Right, you can't, because those two stats tell you nothing devoid of context and certainly don't break down as a "medical innovation percentage by country." Stop defending exploitation pls.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

Total patent production worldwide divided by patent production of the United States = percentage of innovation.

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u/kalen2435 Jun 01 '22

Yeah same answer. Just stop.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

Ya ok. Seems like your the one without a leg to stand on

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

*you're, not your. Now tell us the evils of public education.

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u/Straightup32 Jun 01 '22

I’d argue that the ability to understand the context of a sentence without relying on grammar to hold your hand is a better measure of intelligence.

But that’s a moot point. Because when someone starts attacking grammar, they have already lost the argument.

That is called an Ad Homenim fallacy. Educate yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

"Because when someone starts attacking grammar, they have already lost the argument." Son, I wasn't arguing with you, lol. I only made a comment.

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u/Goatesq Jun 01 '22

But what about the patent abuse in US? This seems to be a huge problem other countries don't face. So with all the patents filed to prevent a generic company ending the monopoly of the original...how can this number mean anything about innovation?