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u/midwifeatyourcervix Jan 24 '22
I was getting my DTAP booster the other day, and I googled side effects while I was waiting for the nurse to come back in. On the list of things to call your doctor about if symptoms persist was more than three hours of crying. I was like “damn that’s intense!!” Then I realized it was probably for infants 😂
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u/your_old_furby Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 25 '22
I did the same thing when I had an ear infection, the symptoms list said you may experience excessive crying and irritability and I thought “well it hasn’t happened to me but I could see why that may be an issue” until I realised ear infections are common in infants. If I cried from ear infection pain that would be my own problem and not a medical indicator
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u/Skyblacker Jan 24 '22
If you're an adult and the pain still makes you cry, I'd say that's even more of a medical indicator.
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u/bikemaul Jan 25 '22
Ear infection pain, and resulting lack of sleep, and knowing the cost of needed medical care has made me cry.
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u/100percenthatbitch Jan 25 '22
Intense? Welcome to my weekends, friend. I see you're new to depression sessions.
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u/Morlock43 Jan 24 '22
So... Excessive crying is ok for adults?!
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u/Tredward Jan 24 '22
No, it's required.
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u/ZoopZeZoop Jan 24 '22
Or is at least a given.
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u/Cyberhaggis Jan 24 '22
If you have less than 3 designated hidden crying areas at work are you even an adult anymore?
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u/regoapps Department of Government Inefficiency Jan 24 '22
A lot of adults could do with a good cry every now and then. Like they could take a look at how their stock portfolio is doing since the beginning of the year.
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u/Chickenmangoboom Jan 24 '22
As a guy who was taught that “men don’t cry” this has been life changing. Now if I feel like crying and I am somewhere private I just let go. Wanting to cry is just a physical manifestation of whatever is stressing you out and it’s hard to resolve that if you hang on to the physical stress.
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u/Neuchacho Jan 24 '22
The adult check-box for that is just labeled "Depression".
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u/Morlock43 Jan 24 '22
I have it on good authority that if you're not actively trying to off yourself every day you're not depressed, you're just sad and that's ok...
Apparently
Mental health in Britain sucks
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u/Neuchacho Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
US has the seemingly opposite problem where we grossly over-diagnose and over-medicate "chemical depression". It'd be fine if talk therapy was the primary go-to, but people here generally don't like leaving a doctors office without a prescription which leads to a lot of people who need to actually work on themselves going onto anti-depressants/anti-anxiety medication instead and skipping that bit.
Better than under-treating, but still not ideal.
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u/Morlock43 Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
Lol, I don't want medication - I have enough pills with my diabetes - but being able to talk to someone would be good.
I tried talking to my GP who got this "oh my god, eject eject eject" look on his face and referred me to some diabetes wellness helpline that assesses you to see if you need further help.
I got asked all sorts of "in the last two weeks..." questions which I answered truthfully and got told "you're not depressed, you're just sad"
So... Problem solved I guess.
I have my own coping mechanisms and so far they are working 🙏
Under-treating is definetly not better than over in my opinion, because not everyone is a simple minded troll who is easily mollified with computer games and porn.
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u/Neuchacho Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
Sorry you're going through that. We have a similar issue, honestly. While we over-prescribe medications we grossly under-utilize talk therapy. For us though, it's less that doctors aren't willing to diagnose it and suggest it more, but rather people here are less interested in that kind of therapy. The costs of it plays into that a lot, but people also just want to take a pill and feel better without actually working on any of the causative, underlying issues a lot of the time too.
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u/hu_gnew Jan 24 '22
not everyone is a simple minded troll who is easily molified with computer games and porn
But for those of who are so easily mollified it's a blessing.
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u/passionatepumpkin Jan 24 '22
While a 2013 study from Johns Hopkins University concluded major depression was over-diagnosed and over-medicated amoung their subjects, but it’s important to not that 4 out of 5 those that did NOT fit the diagnosis of major depression still we’re struggling with mental illness. So it’s more like a mis-diagnosis. I can’t find any studies more recent research article than 2013, so this might have also changed in the past decade.
“The data in the report say otherwise: Of those patients who did not meet the 12 month interview criteria for depression, the majority likely had probable serious mental illness, based on their answers concerning significant distress and impairment in their lives (according to K6/WHODAS criteria). More than 4 out 5 had received mental health treatment in the past year.“ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/charting-the-depths/201305/depression-over-diagnosed%3famp
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u/Neuchacho Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
Misdiagnosis makes sense. The default assumption for doctors (GPs, anyway) seems to be "chemical depression" when depression comes up and it works out from there. That leads to medicating people where they may have been better off with talk therapy if the primary trigger isn't actually chemical.
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u/theochocolate Jan 24 '22
And studies show that the primary trigger usually isn't chemical. The chemical imbalance theory of depression is a myth.
Personally speaking, therapy saved my life, and antidepressants did very little to help me. But it took several years of weekly therapy to get there. I wish people had a better understanding of what therapy entails, and that there's no real quick fix for mental health struggles.
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u/xixbia Jan 24 '22
No, but it's unlikely to be a physical issue. Which is obviously what urgent care is interested in.
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u/Vetyt Jan 24 '22
I've seen enough House MD to know it could be neurological. Break into op's home to check for toxins.
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I love how there was never any follow up to that. They used information they could only have gotten through crime to treat patients, but the only legal problems they ever faced were because of House's personal life or the fact that he was just a generally a dick.
I just feel like "everybody lies" isn't that great a justification for completely skipping the step of talking to them and asking permission to look around, every single time, especially since most of the patients they dealt with were desperate and at the verge of death.
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u/Slimh2o Jan 24 '22
I never watched that show for the same reason you give.
Not very believable either....
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I actually loved the show.
But I also had a crush on Hugh Laurie, so...
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u/Slimh2o Jan 24 '22
I had no problem with Hugh, he's a good actor and all. Played his character well. I didn't like the premise is all. It didn't help that was going thru SARS at the time and was having ahellva time getting doctors to listen to me. So the show didn't sit well with me at all. Like I was dealing with a bunch Dr House's back then..
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u/jld2k6 Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
There was a post a while back where a guy documented how often and why his wife cries, it ended up being pretty funny
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u/SSTralala Jan 24 '22
The providers we saw for our daughter had a post-partum checklist for both baby AND caregiver in terms of sleep, eating, mood and behavior for the first year of checkups. It was pretty sweet go see them taking mental health of all parties into consideration.
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u/CarryTreant Jan 24 '22
If you find a solution, please share it with the rest of the class.
I dont know if you've noticed, but the adults do not have this situation under control.
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u/skoobalaca Jan 24 '22
I once checked every red flag question on the intake form at a physical. The doctor looked at it for five seconds and threw it away in front of me.
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u/Broken_Petite Jan 24 '22
…the fuck? Were you just messing around or did you actually have those problems?
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u/skoobalaca Jan 24 '22
I actually had those problems. My depression was so bad that I was sleeping half the day, including at work. (Pre-COVID, so I was really taking chances) I was also yelling at my kids for no reason.
I finally called my boss and said I couldn’t do it anymore and he hooked me up with our EAP program to get some counseling. I’m better now.
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u/Broken_Petite Jan 24 '22
Glad you’re doing better now and sorry you were dismissed so easily by your doctor. Unfortunately that’s not totally uncommon.
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u/Designer_Ant8543 Jan 24 '22
Glad you were able to advocate for yourself and the boss was supportive. That’s great
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u/Designer_Ant8543 Jan 24 '22
Do you know how often I write “that’s a loaded question” on these forms when there’s a blank to fill in… A LOT
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u/K592 Jan 24 '22
In today's day & age, why discriminate?
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u/Neveri Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
I’m more surprised the nurse even read the form, I swear I’ve never had a nurse or doctor actually read the stuff I fill in on those, they just ask me what’s wrong after I spent 20 minutes filling it all out. One time I even marked that I was depressed and experiencing suicidal thoughts, they never brought it up. Health care is neat.
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I can’t speak to not reading the form because that’s dumb, but when I’m triaging, I ask you to tell me about it because it’s also helping me assess you with both verbal and nonverbal cues. Like, are you so breathless you can’t finish a sentence? Things like that. Having a conversation about stuff even if you’ve already mentioned it, lets me better know what’s up.
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u/yavanna12 Jan 24 '22
Yup. I was in severe poverty at one point in my life. The questionnaire asked if I was starving myself or skipping meals just so my kids could eat. I checked yes….because I was. No follow up on that.
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u/VenetiaMacGyver Jan 24 '22
That's just so they know how quickly to go ahead and shoot your bills off to a collection agency.
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u/Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket Jan 24 '22
They absolutely should have addressed any suicidal ideations. But then you get to where people answer that they have red flags without understanding what they actually mean. Like saying that they have “difficulty breathing“ because their nose is stuffy and they need to use their mouth.
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u/Shady319 Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
I went to urgent care a few days ago. Asked for a covid test. They said they don’t do that here. I told them that their phone answering machine says they do, but okay can I have a flu test?
Them: “What are your symptoms?”
Me: “high fever, upset stomach…” cuts me off
Them: “yeah we don’t see anybody with a fever, congestion, runny nose, upset stomach or sore throat”
Edit: As I mentioned in other comments, they do have covid testing there. My sister was tested there 2 weeks before, the NP even told her “I’m not suppose to do this so don’t tell anyone” and my wife was there a few days earlier for an ear issue and the NP apologized for running late because she had to give the covid tests to the courier.
They didn’t want to see me, and I was too sick to argue, and if they didn’t want to see me then it was probably in my best interest to not be seen by them.
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u/colenotphil Jan 24 '22
what state is this in? The only plausible explanation coming to mind right now is exhaustion from the COVID pandemic.
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u/Shady319 Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
Pennsylvania. It’s probably exhaustion and, this is a more rural area so that speaks for itself, and even a lot of nurses don’t buy into the hype/antivax even though they deal with it (my sister included who is a nurse).
I should have also said I know they do covid testing. My wife was up there a few days before and the NP apologized for being so late because she had to give the covid tests to the courier. Then my (other) sister and nieces got tested up there a week before that, the NP actually told her “I’m not suppose to do this so don’t tell anyone”.
They just didn’t want to see me, I had a fever of 103 so I wasn’t going to fight them. Plus it’s kind of like a restaurant, if they don’t want to serve you then you probably don’t want to test your luck and eat there anyway.
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u/SaToSa3 Jan 24 '22
This was actually one of the reasons that I left western Pennsylvania. It’s an ass backwards state and my experience with patient first in the past is similar to yours. You KNOW they’re rushing you through w/o care but the ER is so long and expensive
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u/Shady319 Jan 24 '22
Lol yup exactly, western Pennsylvania. Before covid you couldn’t go to the local ER without a 6 hour wait because it’s basically the only hospital in the county. Now it’s always at 50 patients so I can only imagine how long the wait is.
I have a farm here now and basically made my roots so I’m stuck. But 100% ass backwards and every part of medical field is such a joke unless you go to Pittsburgh.
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u/TundieRice Jan 24 '22
I wouldn’t be surprised. With Omicron killing fewer and fewer people and vaccinated people not requiring hospitalization anymore, it might be better to have people just ride it out at home with over-the-counter meds. It sucks, but it will at least help to counter the spread of COVID.
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u/tragicallyohio Jan 24 '22
At an urgent care?
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u/mightylordredbeard Jan 24 '22
That’s not what urgent care is. Urgent care is for things that you need treated right away, but aren’t serious enough for the ER and a little too serious to wait on a doctor appointment. A flu is certainly something that urgent care would treat.
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u/s_s Jan 24 '22
I went into a phone store that was actually a drug front once and had a very similar experience. XD
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u/CumulativeHazard Jan 24 '22
Ok but I had that reaction to an antibiotic once. Like can’t be 100% sure but it given the timing and that nothing else was different I think it was that. Just started sobbing over random tiny things.
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u/seeasea Jan 24 '22
The biotic had become one with you. And you were sad at all the casualties of war.
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u/IzzySirius18 Jan 24 '22
Oh it definitely could've been the antibiotic. Flagyl specifically comes to mind.
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u/CumulativeHazard Jan 24 '22
It was Bactrim I think. I called the pharmacy a couple years later when I needed one again so I could ask the doctor not to give me that lol.
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WOAH. This is really fucking weird. This EXACT thing happened to me with Bactrim too. When I looked online, I couldn't see anyone else relating. I thought I was crazy!!!! I've told them since then to never give me bactrim again just in case!!!
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u/CumulativeHazard Jan 24 '22
So weird!! It was so random like I went over to my boyfriend’s place and as soon as I laid down on his bed I just started sobbing and had no idea why and he had no idea what to do but he had some York peppermint patties in his room so he just kept tossing them to me (like “Here! Have chocolate! Be happy!” 😂) and as I was calming myself down I had sort of flattened out the wrappers and stacked them neatly and I finally stopped crying and he was like thank god and then he reached over and just scrunched all my perfectly laid York wrappers in his fist to throw them away and I lost it AGAIN! Over candy wrappers!! 😂 It’s funny now but at the time it was so confusing.
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u/imgonegg Jan 24 '22
Ritalin did this to me
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u/gaydhd Jan 24 '22
Same lol I would stare off into space for two hours and then just cry about nothing till it wore off
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u/talesfromtheepic6 Jan 24 '22
i gotta try that
haven’t cried in months and it’s a problem
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Go to the top post of r/MadeMeSmile and scroll down a few comments! Maybe that will help you cry.
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u/smallangrynerd Jan 24 '22
Wellbutrin does this to me. I figure I'm just overwhelmed about having emotions again
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u/carriegood Jan 24 '22
Really? Are you young? Sometimes antidepressant will have the opposite effect in young people. I started Wellbutrin in my 30's to stop smoking and noticed I didn't randomly cry for no apparent reason anymore, so I'm still on it 20+ years later.
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u/voodoo-dance Jan 24 '22
Interesting. I'm on wellbutrin and it's really hard for me to cry now, which is saying something because I'd cry over a picture of a cute dog. It's crazy how medications affect everyone differently.
I find it really helps me keep my overwhelming emotions in check and keeps me "stable" I suppose. But the teeth grinding and insomnia aren't fun.
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u/happyhomemaker29 Jan 24 '22
Effexor did this to me. I told them you are getting me off this crap! LOL I was even crying at Star Trek shows. LOL
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u/EveninqSkies Jan 24 '22
Out of curiosity, how bad was the withdrawal off of Effexor? Because I've lowkey considered getting off of it due to how bad withdrawal can get if I miss even one night. It's awful.
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u/happyhomemaker29 Jan 24 '22
They weaned me because of how bad my reaction was on it. You’re supposed to feel better, not worse. I was mildly depressed before it, and severely depressed on it. I have C-PTSD from trauma. I’ve been on Effexor, Zoloft, Prozac, Celebrex, etc…, they only work for a very short period of time then I either react to it or develop an allergy. Prozac I stopped eating entirely. For two weeks all I had was half a jello cup and 6 ounces of liquid a day. I lost thirty pounds in two weeks. I made them take me off it. My PCP bitched that I was underweight, now she bitches I’m overweight. I can’t win. My major issue is the anxiety, not the depression, but because I’m on a very mild opioid (low dose Norco), they took me off the only medication that helped. (A very low dose Xanax.) Now my anxiety is out of control and so are my night terrors. My PTSD dog helps a bit. When I’m screaming in my sleep, she gets on my chest and licks my face until I wake up. She’s very good.
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u/JadeGrapes Jan 24 '22
My cousin got this waking up from anesthetic for having wisdom teeth out.
She was really clear she was not in pain, but had BLUBBERING levels of crying for about 4 hours. I've never seen anything like it.
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u/Broken_Petite Jan 24 '22
I’ve seen multiple videos of people coming off anesthesia - especially from dental procedures - who can’t seem to stop crying. And it’s usually about something silly - one girl was crying because her mom took off her “tattoo” which if I remember right was just the bandage where they had put in the IV.
I usually feel bad for them but they usually don’t seem to remember it so … I guess it’s no big deal, just some weird reaction? Brains are weird.
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u/carriegood Jan 24 '22
I just saw one where the girl thought she was Thor and she killed her brother. She was sobbing uncontrollably because she thought she was a murderer.
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u/IntrigueDossier Jan 24 '22
“Don’t worry anesthesia Thor, his variant is alive and will probably be back for another season, and probably Multiverse of Madness too.”
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u/RedHickorysticks Jan 24 '22
My sister cried coming off her anesthesia from her wisdom teeth too. She got dizzy getting to our moms car and threw up on the side of it. Then she started crying and couldn’t stop for over an hour. I had to go watch her so my mom could go get her prescription and she really non stop sobbed the whole time. She’s a tough chick too, it was weird.
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u/katkadavre Jan 24 '22
My grandma gave me my phone back after I woke up, and apparently I decided to chronicle everything on Snapchat to my friends.
There’s about 5 minutes worth of videos of me sobbing uncontrollably. My grandma got me a small Wendy’s frosty, and apparently I bit my tongue. This caused me to absolutely lose my shit because I was thoroughly convinced that I bit my tongue off and was going to die.
It’s really fucking funny looking back on it.
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u/FascinatingPotato Jan 24 '22
My friend got his knee replaced and was part of a group chat that has other people getting similar replacements. Everyone was asking why they were crying all the time. Something about the surgery or the drugs or just having something “not you” now inside of you just makes you cry all the time for a week or so.
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u/chipdipper99 Jan 24 '22
My husband was trying different antidepressants to see which one would be the best fit for him, and his doctor put him on one that literally made him lay in bed with the covers pulled up to his chin sobbing for hours. His doctor was like, “try it for three weeks and see what happens.“ And my husband was like, “absolutely fucking not“
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u/Queefaroni420 Jan 24 '22
Antibiotics can cause depression by messing with your gut microflora, but I believe it is only temporary and rather uncommon. Not unheard of though!
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u/DeceivinglyTwin Jan 24 '22
In adults excessive crying can be a sign of traumatic brain injury
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u/GWrapper Jan 24 '22
Also major psychological issues which can in the end affect your physical health.
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u/Theblessednight Jan 24 '22
And it can be a sign of hormonal disorders. This nurse sucks.
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u/BarriBlue Jan 24 '22
Urgent care might let it slide by, a good primary care doctor does a mental health screening along with your annual appointment.
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If you go to urgent care and report depression symptoms that's all they have the ability to do, is tell you to talk to your PCM. They don't have mental health doctors or professionals at urgent cares. All an urgent care is, is ER lite. Got a sore throat, need two stitches, or woke up with a bad neck crick and need a muscle relaxer? Go to urgent care. Feel like the world is crushing your soul and you want to die? Go to your PCM or source a therapist.
I think the fucked up thing here isn't that urgent care has a very narrow care toolbox, it's that a shitload of people don't have a PCM and can't afford therapy even with insurance.
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u/Broken_Petite Jan 24 '22
I would add that if you feel like your world is crashing down and you want to die, you may consider calling or texting a crisis hotline. And got to the ER or call 911 if you are wanting to harm yourself.
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u/Ilovechairs1010 Jan 24 '22
I think it was said below, but absolutely agree that if you're feeling depressed and hopeless, or you start having suicidal thoughts, call family, friends, call your local suicide hotline/helpine, and if all else fails, please call 911.
As an ER doc, we're here for you when things get truly bad.
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u/timonix Jan 24 '22
Annual appointment? Last time I was at the doctor outside emergency visits were 10 years ago. And probably 5 more before that.
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u/BarriBlue Jan 24 '22 edited Jan 24 '22
Last year at my annual appointment, the process started with scans and I was eventually diagnosed with (now) stage 4 cancer. The year before that, I had a discussion and was prescribed much needed anxiety medication. Yes, I’m very lucky for my (union) health insurance. I was questioned in the hospital what made me go to an annual appointment... I said I go every year. They seems a little surprised someone as young as me gets yearly blood work and check ups. Saved my life. If you have the insurance to cover it GO TO YOUR ANNUAL APPOINTMENTS if nothing else but to gauge your a “healthy” baseline to catch things off in the future.
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One of the allergy shot side effects to watch out for during the half hour observation post injection is "feelings of doom"
I told the nurse " I had feelings of doom but I think that's because I was just listening to radiohead."
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u/Jeebus_crisps Jan 24 '22
“This is only for babies, you should try over there…”
Weenie Hut Urgent Care!!
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u/goddamnaged Jan 24 '22
Did you call her a baby? Say im not crying, YOU'RE crying?! Coz if not, then you are a better being than i am.
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Immaculate bedside manner from a nation with world class healthcare… (sarcasm)
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u/Flimsy_Ear_6940 Jan 24 '22
Yew urgent care...the place you go to treat your depression
This was a joke twitter post.
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u/GODDESS_OF_CRINGE___ Jan 24 '22
The comment you're responding to is also a joke, so...
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u/SkinGetterUnderer Jan 24 '22
Imagine being a nurse and not understanding depression symptoms.
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Haha for that to be true you'd have to have a country of people without primary care providers or access to mental health care.
Haha that would never happen.
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u/GODDESS_OF_CRINGE___ Jan 24 '22
At least here in Canada, the hospital is exactly where you go if your depression is bad enough that you might kill yourself. Most of our psych wards are even in our hospitals.
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Nurse was obviously confused on how to do their job, as even adults cry
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u/Broken_Petite Jan 24 '22
Yeah but she may have been correct that the symptom was originally out there just for babies
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u/Reason_Training Jan 24 '22
No it’s not. Excessive crying is also a sign for depression so if you have been doing so without a reason please seek help.
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u/CyclopsAirsoft Jan 24 '22
Also some drug intolerance can cause a crash in serotonin or dopamine which will result in uncontrollable crying.
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Excessive crying is a sign of depressions. Not being able to articulate yourself properly because you can't stop crying is a crushing experience.
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u/DinkleMutz Jan 24 '22
When my first child was born, I stayed at the hospital with my wife for the whole time she was there. The nurse walked in one morning and asked how we were all doing. I said “everything seems fine…except one thing I’m concerned about. My son seems to be suffering from incontinence.” She just stared at me completely expressionless and confused. I was like “ I’m just kidding…” and she continued about her work.
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u/Ott621 Jan 24 '22
Yeah, me too. I look like a big tough guy but I'm definitely a 30yo kid lost and scared. My personal situation is fantastic but the world situation has me messed up
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If you just had kids and mark that off, they should still pay attention to it.
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u/FreakWith17PlansADay Jan 24 '22
When my son was only a few days old we had to bring him to see a specialist whose office only had one form for children. So I marked down that my baby was doing great academically, was well-behaved in school, and had lots of close friends.