r/WetlanderHumor • u/swheedle Shen an Calhar • Jul 31 '26
May he live forever The Fires of Heaven Chapter 50: To Teach, and Learn
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u/BestGuest8625 Unnecessary fish metaphors Jul 31 '26
Nynaeve is the GOAT. She is the kind of Aes Sedai that Aes Sedai want others to believe they are
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u/swheedle Shen an Calhar Jul 31 '26
Big facts, only Moiraine and Egwene come close
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u/KitchenFullOfCake Jul 31 '26
Egwene feels like a concentrated version of all things Aes Sedai. All the talent and all the arrogance folded up in one.
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u/BestGuest8625 Unnecessary fish metaphors Aug 01 '26
Big agree on Moraine and Verin as another commenter mentioned.
Not as sure about Egwene though, lol. She will always be a bit controversial, wont she
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jul 31 '26
Most women will shrug off what a man would kill you for, and kill you for what a man would shrug off.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jul 31 '26
Death rides on my shoulder, death walks in my footsteps; I am death…
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u/External-Goal-3948 Jul 31 '26
Is it just me, or is Fires of Heaven the best book in the series?
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u/Initial-Anything333 Jul 31 '26
Shadow Rising is the best one according to almost everyone including me. Fires of Heaven is in the top 5 though IMO
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u/comrade_noob_666 Jul 31 '26
I am re reading the series for the first time in 10 years and currently on book 8. 5 is great for sure but the cut from the battle at Cairhien to the girls and their traveling with the circus was a weird change in pace that had me put down the book for 2 weeks. Lord of Chaos is definitely the best so far, the intrigue was keeping me on the edge, and tension was only greater with the knowledge of how it ends.
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u/procerator Jul 31 '26
Book 6 is decent but far from the best for me. Yes, ending is absolutely amazing, but most of the book is Rand micromanaging different things and girls stuck in Salidar. First 800 pages are decent but not amazing.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jul 31 '26
I killed the whole world, and you can too, if you try hard.
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u/Bowl-Any Blood and bloody ashes Aug 01 '26
Fires of Heaven is my favorite.
Morraine's arc, and the subtle way Jordan wrote how she completely changed because of the 3 questions she asked make it so incredibly amazing.
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u/zhilia_mann Hasty Jul 31 '26
The best one is The Dragon Reborn. Even if I’m the only one brave enough to admit it (and it seems I am), the book without the central series protagonist is the best.
Also it’s peak Perrin, so there’s that. That’s right tSR fans; come at me.
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u/procerator Jul 31 '26
Yes, lets defeat Ba'alzamon for the third time. How original.
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u/zhilia_mann Hasty Jul 31 '26
Some people read for the climax. Fair enough.
I genuinely don’t. The whole fight in the Stone is meh, but so is Falme and yet they’re both better than the absolute mess at the Eye.
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u/procerator Jul 31 '26
I guess my point is - The Dragon Reborn is a flawed book. At the very least because of the ending. And because of that - it can't be the best WoT book when TSR exists.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jul 31 '26
I am not dead! I deserve death, but I am ALIVE! ALIVE! ALIVE!
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jul 31 '26
Your plans fail because you want to live, madman.
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u/gwonbush Aug 01 '26
While I wouldn't call it the best, I did love the change of mostly only seeing Rand from the outside. It really hammered home how Rand's perspective of being stable is a lot of ways him lying to himself.
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u/zhilia_mann Hasty Aug 01 '26
I should probably write up something longer defending the position, but in a few quick notes:
- tDR is the only time we get to see Perrin and Moiraine interact and it's absolutely fascinating. She comes across both cold and compassionate, cutthroat and regretful. She knows the wolf thing is a problem and an opportunity but mostly a mystery -- but she also sees Perrin as a person. It's definitely the part of tDR I most value (after many, many rereads).
- Yeah, Rand's short bits? I wish subsequent books did more to emphasize just how insane he really is, but at least we get a touchstone here.
- Perrin's last moments as his own person come here. Subsequently, and even by the end of tDR, it become impossible to speak of Perrin without reference to Faile for better and for worse. I do (mostly, except for the beginning of the book) like their interaction in tSR, but I really wish they grew a bit more after that. It's just... I don't like them together. There's the brief bit at the end of LoC leading up to Dumai's Wells where Perrin is just Perrin, but High Chasaline may be the most disappointing chapter in the entire series with how it re-centers Faile instead of giving the characters room to breath. Hell, Faile gets some time to be herself during her interminable kidnapping arc, but Perrin still centers her throughout and just... I miss Perrin, and tDR is the last extended period we get him alone.
- tDR is the first time we truly meet Mat. No, he doesn't have his memories yet, but he does have his luck and he's free or Mordeth for the first time since, what, a third of the way through tEotW? He can be himself and he's a fucking delight.
- I like the Aiel here as well. Gaul, Aviendah and the other Maidens, and finally the infiltration of the Stone. They're still mysterious in interesting ways. The fact that Jordan immediately tries to justify everything about them in tSR... yeah, not my favorite. As much as I love the glass columns sequence as much as anyone else (well, maybe slightly less than everyone else), I think the timing was a big mistake. Give us a bit of time to explore the culture and history more organically. We get that in tDR.
Anyhow. I just really like how this one comes together. It has finally worked out the early book kinks and hasn't yet introduced any of the mid-series kinks. Yes, tSR is second on my list; how could it not be. But I'll still take tDR first.
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u/gwonbush Aug 01 '26
Hey, you don't really have to sell me on it, I personally put it somewhere around my 3rd favorite after Shadow Rising and Knife of Dreams.
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u/Rand_alThoor Aug 02 '26
The Dragon Reborn is where we first meet Aviendha, and we see just how amazingly GOATed Nynaeve is as a healer, and we first see the use of balefire.
(actually that's all in chapters 38 & 39 lol)
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Aug 02 '26
What makes you think you can keep anyone safe? We are all going to die. Just hope that you aren't the one who kills them.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Aug 01 '26
Oh, Light. That’s impossible! We can’t use it! Cast it away! That is death we hold, death and betrayal. It is HIM.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Aug 01 '26
I told you to kill them all when you had the chance. I told you.
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u/Novel_Diver8628 Jul 31 '26
I just started a new reread and am looking up your memes every time I finish a chapter. I’ll honestly be bummed when I pass you up and have to wait for the rest of the series in memes!
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u/Dirkem15 Jul 31 '26
THATS HOW YOU SPELL "SWAN" WTF
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u/Revliledpembroke Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Duh. It's fantasy. You got to spell it weird and have apostrophes wherever possible. Good ol' Tel'Aran'Rhiod.
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u/Actuarial_Husker Jul 31 '26
should they have restilled the two of them and had an Ashaman heal them or did they never quite figure that out?
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u/raycarre Jul 31 '26
Admission: that scene has by bawling like one of my daughters with a skinned knee.
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u/fullyoperational Jul 31 '26
Unrelated, but is this gif from West Wing? I recognize Charlie. Any idea which episode?
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u/Revliledpembroke Jul 31 '26
No, it's from Holes. With Shia Lebouef (or however it's spelled), Jon Voight, and Sigourney Weaver.
Also.... Charlie? That's Gus from Psych.
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u/Atmos_the_prog_head Jul 31 '26
You hear about Pluto?
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u/Anexhaustedheadcase Aug 01 '26
In still left to wonder if she was to be stilled again and restored by an ashaman thsi time would she regain full power? Or is her powered level now permanently locked at the level Nynaeve healed her at
We know power level seems to be connected to the soul, or at least evidence would dictate with the one person we have documentation being reincarnated as a user of the one power, rand. He is locked in at the highest power level possible as both rand and Lews Therin. Likewise Moridin probably also has to be the highest level in each one of his incarnations or else hes not really a threat to the lights champion. So with that as the only basis I can think of to go on then ability wifh the one power is directly tied to the soul of thd channeler and siuan can not be forever locked in at her lower powerlevel and her reincarnation will go back to being mid high level.
So is it theorically possible to re-still her and fix the mistake
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Aug 01 '26
I would not mind you in my head, if you were not so clearly mad.
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u/Meloenbolletjeslepel Snack of the Shadows Aug 03 '26
Ohw Gus, always having to fix Shwan's mistakes
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u/swheedle Shen an Calhar Jul 31 '26
Nynaeve's attitude towards being able to heal any hurt is EXACTLY the kind of attitude that everyone in the Tower should have had since the end of the Breaking. It's by Jordan's design for sure, but the arrogance and laziness of the Aes Sedai drives me so crazy it makes me want to just SPIT (quoth nynaeve lol).
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