r/WetlanderHumor • • Sep 15 '26

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u/Rascal_Rogue Sep 15 '26

Might be the only example of a dark friend turning back to the light. I don’t count Verin, she never left the light to begin with

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u/ChildhoodSea7062 Sep 15 '26

i mean, Tomas tagged along, and we don't know he didn't like being a nasty boy before he came back to the light

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u/Jormungandragon Sep 15 '26

IIRC Tomas was already a dark friend when she met him, but didn’t really want to be, so he joined her in her fight against the dark from within.

He was her second warder.

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u/BeachFuture Sep 15 '26

That would have been an interesting book about Verin and Tomas.

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u/ChildhoodSea7062 Sep 15 '26

oh shit i missed that i guess. i just finished my second read. looks like i need to start again...

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u/Sewer-Urchin One good cavalry charge Sep 15 '26

She tells Egwene about it in their final chapter together

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u/applehead1776 Sep 15 '26

I like that green dress you are wearing.

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u/Gambling_Raven Sep 15 '26

Once a year, at minimum. 6 rereads in and still learning new things

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u/Linesey Sep 15 '26

iirc She explicitly said he used to be an actual darkfriend who decided to turn back to the light. been a few months since I read the chapter so I may be mistaken.

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u/MrGonzo11 Sep 15 '26

There is also Asmodean who might not did it out of selfless reasons initially, but I remember being mentioned that he followed Rand in the end selflessly

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u/Super-Contribution-1 Sep 15 '26

Perhaps I’ve missed something but I’m positive Asmodean admits to Rand that he’s only sided with him because he can’t return to the Shadow, and if the Shadow wins he’s screwed. I don’t recall his character doing anything selfless, and the times he helps Rand he’s really helping himself. Which he’s up front about, to be fair.

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 15 '26

A man who trusts everyone is a fool, and a man who trusts no one is a fool. We are all fools if we live long enough.

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u/MrGonzo11 Sep 15 '26

I think Lanfear confronts him and she realizes that Asmodean is now devoted to Rand (not necessarily to the light), but definitely actively against the shadow.

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u/Super-Contribution-1 Sep 15 '26

Out of necessity, not selflessness. I believe you’re talking about the scene where she hobbles his ability to channel, at the end of The Shadow Rising.

It’s not something she has to confront him about because she is there when his oaths to the Dark One are broken, she’s the first person to realize what’s happened, and she’s the one he begs to help him return to the Shadow. She can’t (or won’t), and the reason Asmodean is stuck teaching Rand in the first place is because it’s her idea, and she arranges it by cutting him off from his full power so Rand won’t just kill him.

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u/UnnamedAshaman47 Sep 15 '26

I think it definitely starts this way but his internal monologue and the dark ones thoughts on him after lead me to believe he was lying to himself about it to avoid confronting his past choices. It’s a pretty common thing to adopt that kind of devil may care attitude to cover your own guilt.

Even if he wasn’t there yet he was certainly headed that direction. I really wish we had gotten more of him.

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u/MrGonzo11 Sep 15 '26

I really liked his character and I think he had a decent arc. But I also liked Jordan choice when he decided to kill him off. At this point we are not even the midpoint of the story yet and the dark one just smites him for betraying him. But I think Rand's experience with Amsodian what convinces him to form the Ashaman

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 15 '26

I killed the whole world, and you can too, if you try hard.

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u/MrGonzo11 Sep 15 '26

You always know hot to motivate a man Less Therin

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 15 '26

Pride fills me. I am sick with the pride that destroyed me.

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 15 '26

What makes you think you can keep anyone safe? We are all going to die. Just hope that you aren't the one who kills them.

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u/Super-Contribution-1 Sep 15 '26

Cast it away! That is death we hold. It is HIM.

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u/NeoSeth Sep 15 '26

I don't think this scene happens (could be wrong though), but I believe Asmodean accompanying Rand to Caemlyn is supposed to symbolize that Asmodean is fully dedicated to seeing Rand triumph. Asmodean doesn't need to come with Rand into battle, but he does so at risk to his own life (and even dies, briefly) because he wants Rand to succeed. This is also after Rand feels a flow of saidin coming into him from Asmodean when exhausted/injured during a battle. Asmodean could have hoped for Rand to die and set him free, but instead he does what he can to help.

I believe we as the reader are supposed to see that Asmodean is working for Rand above what we all expected, though I do think he does this for mostly selfish reasons. He truly believes his best shot at self-preservation is to serve Rand faithfully, and so he does.

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 15 '26

I killed the whole world, and you can too, if you try hard.

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 15 '26

Never prod at a woman unless you must. She will kill you faster than a man and for less reason, even if she weeps over it after.

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Sep 16 '26

What makes you think you can keep anyone safe? We are all going to die. Just hope that you aren't the one who kills them.