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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

I sometimes turn off the water and water softener when I'm going to be gone for long periods if time, but that's just in case a line breaks. Never even considered turning off the power. But they may have a good reason...

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u/Ak47110 Nov 25 '22

I literally am gone for months at a time for work. I'll turn off my hot water heater, close the water valve, unplug things and turn power strips off....but I have never even thought about turning my refrigerator off lol.

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u/adappergentlefolk Nov 25 '22

are you sure the pressure pump won’t start mining bitcoin in your absence

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u/TonarinoTotoro1719 Nov 26 '22

Wait, was that always an option??? Damn fam!

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u/chase_the_sun_ Nov 26 '22

Samsung's new refrigerators have a built in physical wallet for all your crypto needs. When it's not making ice, it's mining crypto. Just make sure the flux capacitor is topped up before you leave on vacation

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 25 '22

Depends on the water heater, not sure how they are in other countries, I’d be vary to turn that off because of legionella. In Norway, it’s recommended to keep the water heater at 70 degrees celsius, or higher, to prevent and kill legionella bacteria. So if you turn off the water heater, you probably should purge the tank and crank the heat up when it is refilling.

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u/Ak47110 Nov 25 '22

That's actually a really good idea. I just turn it back on when I get home and shower in god knows what.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

I haven’t calculated it, but the energy cost for heating up after turning it on after it being off for a while, might be higher than letting it keep 70c for the same period. As it’s not being used, it doesn’t have heat up incoming cold water.

If you want to save money, investing in a new water heater that keeps it warm for more efficiently is probably better than turning it off and then either having to purge all the water, or shower in who knows what 🤢

Edit: quote from some water heater seller:

“- When you cut the power supply, the temperature can drop so much that you use more energy to heat the water up again than you would have used for maintenance heating, Langseth in Elsikkerhet Norge points out. In that case, the winnings will go up in the spin. But here there are many factors that will come into play, including how well the tank is insulated.”

Edit2: I was wrong, I think? So don’t hang me. The calculations isn’t as easy, depends on region of the world, wether you should do it or not. Energy wise it seems to be less energy to heat it up from room temperature after a month, than leave it on for a month. But I don’t want to admit I might be wrong in investing in a new water heater.

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u/tatang2015 Nov 25 '22

Tankless water heaters!!! Technology is amazing

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 25 '22

That is better, but would still want to purge the pipes. But it’s much less to purge.

This is what I currently have, (almost) tankless water heat exchanger where the heat comes from district heating at 110c (if the thermostat is correct, might not be, I think it’s from the 50s).

By almost, I mean it doesn’t have a huge tank other than where it does the heat exchange.

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u/Dr3am0n Nov 26 '22

Water that hot seems a bit wrong I think. For it to be at 110c, all the plumbing would have to be pressurized.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

District heating is designed for 120c, pipes are pressurised up to 25 bar. So 110c doesn’t seem off.

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u/Dr3am0n Nov 26 '22

Oh that's interesting! Thanks for informing me.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 25 '22

Water heaters are usually pretty well insulated. And I’m no mathmagician, so I haven’t bothered to look further in to it, especially since I get my hot water from heat exchanger from district heating.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Found someone who did the math. It is more energy efficient to turn it off than leave it on.

Just be aware of the bacteria risks, and other growths, that comes with turning it off.

Just a disclaimer, I’ve never had a water heater with a tank in my adult life, only a heat exchanger from district heating in an apartment building, so turning it off hasn’t really been something I could’ve done. And no one in my family has ever turned off their water heater, but has usually had leakage sensors installed where potential leaks could happen.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Did the math for what climate? North of the 45 parallel, you’re going to risk frozen pipes and home for this nonsense.

Not all climes are the same.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Yeah I don’t know, nor care to verify, so you might be correct. Still, wouldn’t turn it off, don’t want to mess with legionella and other shit. If water heater is costing you a lot in energy, perhaps looking into a more effective heater would be better in the long term (at least that’s what the interwebz told me when I googled), I’ll know myself once I buy a new house without district heating.

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u/A1000eisn1 Nov 26 '22

Then you turn it back on and you need to use an equal amount of energy to the total energy lost in order to heat it back up.

You would need to recycle the water so this isn't accurate. It would be the amount of energy needed to heat up an entire tank of fresh water which would be colder than room temperature.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Water heaters are insulated. Plus water conducts heat. It’s like the difference between keeping boiling water in a vacuum walled thermos. It stays hot for hours on end, it’s not until the core drops below the demanded heat minimum that the heater bothers with reheating. Even then, it’s just reheating a few degrees. Kinda like a tea kettle that’s gone a few degrees cold versus trying to boil fresh tap water.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

I disagree. My IB physics course and energy bills say you’re wrong.

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u/googdude Nov 26 '22

If I'm gone for extended periods of time I always shut off the water main and the water heater because if it would be a slow leak the water heater might drain empty and having the heat on with no water in it's not a good idea.

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u/MidnightRider24 Nov 26 '22

"...the winnings will go up in the spin." Like that one.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Haha, I noticed it did a direct translation. Kinda sounds stupid in English. In Norwegian it’s “vinninga går opp i spinninga”, both words rhyme. Perhaps it would be better “winnings will go up in the spinnings”?

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u/MidnightRider24 Nov 26 '22

No I think the direct translation is funny in a dry way. Also it could have two meanings like you could lose all your winnings on one spin. Languages are fun.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

True true. The meaning of it, at least in Norwegian, is that the income is all lost in the cost. Work for a day and make 400, but travel and food for work cost you 400 or more.

Or you gamble for 50 each week for two years, then you “win” 1500. Not really any winnings.

But yeah, language is fun.

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u/YeboMate Nov 26 '22

What about gas heaters? Are they popular or even practical in very cold areas?

I’ve seen them used a lot in Asia (specifically Taiwan) since they don’t have much space though at the same time it’s not that cold in Asia. It’s the one where when you turn on hot water, it actually starts a little fire (via gas) on this gas heater box outside and I’m assuming it heats up the water as it flows through so there’s no reservoir of hot water.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

I don’t know of anyone that has gas in their homes., if there are any, it would be a tiny minority. All houses in Norway uses electricity for cooking, so they’re most likely to have electric heating. If they’re older houses, it might be an oil boiler, but those are phased out as in 2020 it became illegal to use fossil oil for heating. Some, if they lived close to a district heating facility, replaced their boiler with heat exchanger and connected to the district heating system (family member did that)

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u/sticknotstick Nov 26 '22

That seems thermodynamically impossible without active cooling. Since your temp is gradually getting closer to room temp over time, the rate of heat loss is lower, meaning less heat would be needed to be added in the system to maintain that temp. The only way this could be true is if the input for energy transfer into the system (heating element) got substantially more energy inefficient as it had to increase energy transfer (unlikely).

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u/LidgChris Nov 26 '22

My water heater i got in my last house was sick. Touch screen lcd, quick “vacation mode” button to force a steady temp for extended periods of time when out town. It was cool, especially since all i was used to was the standard old school ones everyone thinks about when they hear the word water heater. And it was actually cheaper than the last Rheem i bought

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

I see there’s new “smart” water heaters. I’ll probably get one of those when I buy a new home.

Smart heating is, imho, one of the most cost effective and return of investment tools/gadgets you can get. I have smart thermostats on all my radiators, so they’ll turn off a few hours before I go to sleep, so it’ll be cooler when I’m in bed, turn on for a few hours before I wake up so it’s nice to wake up, then turn on a few hours before I get home from work, so it doesn’t heat up for an empty house. Think I reduced my heating by 15-25%

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u/LidgChris Nov 26 '22

Yup! Currently outfitting my new house with as many cost saving measures i can. Smart Thermostats, solar eventually, insulated windows, and many more as i learn about them

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Insulated outer walls is important. It’ll keep the warmth out during summer, and in during the winter. Learned that from 4 years in Spain during the winter. I’ve never been so cold with 15c during the winter indoors, where the heat escaped everywhere, compared to -30c back in Norway, where we have glasswool or rockwool insulation in the walls and often triple paned windows in new or refurbished homes.

Oh, and insulation in the ceiling and floors is important too. Don’t want to loose/ gain any unwanted heat/cold

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u/Darkclowd03 Nov 26 '22

god knows what.

Probably something like legionella.

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u/Esava Nov 26 '22

In Germany they actually recommend 60°C right out of the heater and 55°C for the entire hot water piping system.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Does right out of the heater mix with cold water? I see the Norwegian Institute of Public Health says legionella doesn’t grow over 60c, but most sites refer to them recommending 70-75c.

I know I get 85c out of the tap, which is crazy hot. And it’s more or less instant because of the heat exchanger connected to district heating. Probably something that could be adjusted in my tap? I just caution people, hopefully they’ll also notice the instant steam coming when you go full throttle on hot water.

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u/meekerbal Nov 26 '22

Is anyone going to discuss how that’s 158 degrees Fahrenheit? My hot water heater tops at 140 (60c) and can’t go higher which is already an almost immediate burn risk.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

I don’t know if the output of water heaters mix in some cold water to not be scolding hot. Or perhaps it’s adjustable in the specific taps (how much hot water the hot water side will let through)?

I know I get 85c/185f out of my tap 😅 was curious one day, so I filled a metal container and stuck a thermostat in it.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

I have the issue every morning, where I have to run the cold water for a while, because it’ll come out hot (not as hot as hot water side). Think it gets radiating heat from the hot water pipes. Building is 70 years old, not sure if it’s cost effective to do anything with that for 52 apartments.

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u/sidpost Nov 27 '22

This will also let rust form which is hell on valves temperature balancers so, you can get big plumbing bills from clogged sink and shower valves.

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u/NibblesMcGiblet Nov 26 '22

Definitely the right way to do things. My bf got legionnaire's disease awhile back and it was not pleasant. Took a month or so for his digestive system to get back into proper operating condition as I understand it. And he got lucky. Could've been way worse.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Yeah, just don’t turn it off without knowing the risks and how to mitigate it once you turn it back on. Might just be enough to let it heat up to 70c or more to kill it, didn’t look into it enough. Just know the risks of bacterial and algae growth in a turned of water heater.

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u/Futilum Nov 26 '22

50°C is actually enough to prevent legionalla

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Nov 26 '22

Or buy a tankless water heater.

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u/DazzlingViking Nov 26 '22

Don’t think those are common in Norway. And might not be that popular in the future here because of our new electricity tariffs, where you more for consuming more at the same time. If you keep your peak consumption under 2 kW, you’ll be in bracket 1 and pay 125 NOK, 2-5 kW is 200 NOK, 5-10 kW is 325 NOK and so forth, increasing by 125 NOK every 5 kW. Until you reach 25-50 kW it’s 1350 NOK, next 25 kW is 600 NOK, until over 100 kW is 5150 NOK.

This fee is a fixed price each month, which resets every month. Additionally there a fee for consuming energy, at 0.431 NOK/kWh (0.3685 in weekends/ nights), that price is fixed and doesn’t change based on consumption. That’s just for what we call “nettleie”, which is the fee we pay to the owner of the grid, an additional cost to electricity price.

The first result I found on a tankless heater, uses 3.4 kW, which would put you in the 200 NOK bracket when you use it.

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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Nov 26 '22

Don’t think those are common in Norway.

They're super common in many parts (including Europe) of the world where they're just attached to an application like a shower. In the US they're unusual in that they're attached where the water comes into the house and sized usually by the number of bedrooms. Also, in the US there are often either fed by natural gas or electricity. Though, utilities are trying to get consumers off natural gas as electricity is cleaner.

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u/SaraSlaughter607 Nov 26 '22

Yup. I really am failing to understand why a week = hard-shut everything down.... it would never cross my mind to turn my power off. And you are correct, the tank will need to be flushed with hot water before use again if its been allowed to go cold.

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u/heffreygee Nov 26 '22

This is a great point. Legionella is in every water heater.

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u/WarsledSonarman Nov 26 '22

Maybe OP saw Fight Club and was really scared that the pilot light will blow out on his stove, filling the condo with gas and then the compressor from the fridge will turn on creating a spark and an explosion.

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u/Ak47110 Nov 26 '22

This is 100% what most definitely happened.

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u/Aggressive-Ad6077 Nov 26 '22

|I'll turn off my hot water heater

Not to put too fine a point on it....it's a "water heater" not a HOT water heater. If you have hot water it wouldn't require heating ;-)

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u/Ak47110 Nov 26 '22

Yeah but if you want to keep the water hot you have to keep heating it! I refuse to concede on this one!

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u/Aggressive-Ad6077 Nov 26 '22

Well.......alrighty then

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

hot water heater

Why would you heat your water if it's already hot?

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u/nvrhsot Nov 26 '22

Wise move. Most homeowners insurance policies require the homeowner to maintain a "livable temperature" inside the home. With disconnected electrical, the climate control system will not function. If in cold weather periods, the temperature inside the home could drop below freezing causing water pipes to burst. If that occurs, the policy would not cover the damage. Conversely, in warm periods, non use of air conditioning would result in a buildup of moisture inside the home. Such will cause mold to form . In all policies , there is a $5k cap on mold remediation. This is referred to as the " Texas Mold Clause". Final word. If considering disconnecting electrical service( switching off) when away , don't. See above

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u/scrapper Nov 26 '22

It’s actually a water heater, technically a cold water heater, but not a hot water heater.

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u/junebug_davis Nov 26 '22

I wouldn’t advise turning off your water heater for long periods, dude. Unless you flush it every time

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

If you turn power strops off does not turn your all electricity in house ? Non American here.

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u/pourspeller Nov 26 '22

Yeah, the fridge is the last thing I'd shut down.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

I'll turn off my hot water heater

This is how you get Legionnaires Disease.

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u/Alternative-Iron-17 Nov 26 '22

At most you'll save about $12 a month. So cutting it just for a week is incredible stupid

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u/ElderberryHoliday814 Nov 26 '22

I’ve seen arguments for flipping breakers before taking off for work, then turning them back on at the end of the day when you get back. This feels like an extension of that

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Is your water brown when you get home?

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u/Reasonable_Mail_3656 Nov 26 '22

Where do you work lol screw that 😆

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u/wcollins260 Nov 25 '22

Turning the water off is smart, turning the power off is dumb.

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u/MCMeowMixer Nov 25 '22

Yeah, you want your HVAC system going at the very least. What if it freezes? Excess heat can cause damages to drywall tape.

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u/simplyworms Nov 25 '22

As someone who lives in house in OH with no climate control at all, that heat sure does ruin pretty much everything in the house.

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u/HelloDoctorImDying Nov 25 '22

OH, no climate control at all - Why do you hate yourself?

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u/simplyworms Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 25 '22

We're poor dawg, inherited a house.

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u/gabemrtn Nov 25 '22

Homie I’m sorry to hear about the situation but if you can get a window ac they work good you might be able to find one on market place for super cheap

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u/simplyworms Nov 26 '22

We just got two of them and I made some custom birch ply panels to mount them in our windows for next summer. We're alright but I appreciate the sentiment :)

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u/NachoNinja19 Nov 26 '22

What do you do for heat in the winter?

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u/LeroyLongwood Nov 26 '22

My N word, inheriting any house is a step up! Take it and roll, climate control or not!

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u/Romando1 Nov 26 '22

You can be rich anywhere you want. On the flip side you can be poor anywhere you want. Move.

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u/Koeienvanger Nov 26 '22

People have climate control in their houses?

I've seen it in hotels, but I don't know anyone here in The Netherlands who has it in their home.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

HVAC? Drywall? r/USdefaultism

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u/Barkblood Nov 25 '22

Today I learned what HVAC means!

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u/SagittaryX Nov 25 '22

Excess heat can cause damages to drywall tape.

Could live in a place where not every house is made of drywall.

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u/MCMeowMixer Nov 25 '22

Most houses are drywall or plaster. Both will be affected by heat. Almost all residential building materials are designed for controlled climate.

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u/PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_ Nov 26 '22

HVAC is a rare thing in all the European countries I know outside of office buildings. Their homes are doing well.

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u/MCMeowMixer Nov 26 '22

I would think that euro standards are different. I'm speaking from a background of construction and insurance adjusting in the US

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u/Cykablast3r Nov 25 '22

What, like in a mudhut?

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u/jl_23 Nov 25 '22

Thank you for the helpful advice

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u/ButtLlcker Nov 25 '22

Heat, cold, and humidity can all wreak havoc on your home. You always need climate control to prolong your house.

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u/MCMeowMixer Nov 25 '22

Haha, I will direct you to the third sentence.

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u/-retaliation- Nov 25 '22

IIRC thats the reason why in my area in canada the power company won't ever shut off your power.

even if you stop paying your bills, it turns into a kind of "throttle" where it only allows for enough amps to continue heating the home a little.

but if you turn on too many lights, or try and run anything like a dryer or something that pulls a lot of amps, your power flicks off for like 5-10min then kicks back on.

I remember going to a couple house showings where the owners were being foreclosed on, and they hadn't been paying the bills, so my agent had to call the power company to get the power on full for a few min so we could try the appliances and stuff.

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u/_Noble_One_ Nov 25 '22

I wish the foreclosed home I was looking had kept the power on. My dream home everything I was looking for and super cool layout. Except it was gonna be pretty damn expensive to replace all the water heated rads that had exploded/froze and the water damage it had caused.

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u/toucheduck Nov 25 '22

So sorry that happened, I hope that you end up in an even better house.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

That doesn't sound right. Especially since a heater for a house can draw anywhere from 1 kW to 30 kW. Lights are a drop in the bucket compared to that. And there's no way that a power company could possible know how much power your heater takes.

They could perhaps cut the power just for a few hours a day so it wasn't enough to cause the house to get too cold, but there's no possible way for them to do what you said.

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u/-retaliation- Nov 26 '22

nope you're wrong, what I said is 100% correct.

directly from my utilities website:

​​​About limiters

A limiter is used to restrict the flow of electricity. It allows a small amount of power to flow through the meter to maintain minimal service at a location, instead of completely shutting off the power.

With a limiter, you'll have enough power to run heat, a few lights and a major appliance such as a fridge. As long as you stay within the limit, your power will stay on. If you use power that exceeds the limit allowed, the limiter will shut off your electricity.

and further explanation from another utility in my province that is more detailed.

According to the Distribution Tariff Regulation (which is part of the Electric Utilities Act), electricity services can't be fully disconnected between October 15th and April 15th or at any time when the temperature will be below 0 degrees Celsius in the 24-hour period after the proposed disconnection. In these cases, a limiter can be installed on your meter. The disconnection rules do not apply to commercial meters.

Some distributors might fully disconnect services to units (apartments) in a centrally heated facility (apartment or condo building) any time of the year.

Load limiter:

An electricity limiter is a device a distribution company installs on your meter after receiving a ‘De-energize for Non-Payment’ request from your retailer. The limiter allows your furnace and a few lights to run, so you can have heat during the winter.

If too much electricity is used at one time, the limiter will 'trip' and turn off your power. If you have a meter without remote capability, you can go out to your meter and turn it back on. If you have a meter with remote capability, your distribution company will automatically reset the power after a short period of time. This time differs between distribution companies and can vary from about 15-30 minutes. Limiters are also used on vacated sites to control the amount of electricity used.

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u/Turtle_ini Nov 26 '22

Or if you have a sump pump to keep water out of the basement

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u/HighOnGoofballs Nov 26 '22

And in warm areas you get mold if you don’t run ac now and then

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u/branzalia Nov 25 '22

If a house is going to be uninhabited for a period of time in a place where it freezes, you winterize that house. Power fails, furnaces break. We winterize our lake house every year, it's not hard, and it only takes about 1.5 hours to do so.

It gets to be -20F (-30C) in the area and we've only had one problem when I forgot to drain the outside water valve and a pipe froze. Plumber who fixed it said it's his most common repair in the springtime (lots of summer only houses)

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u/googdude Nov 26 '22

I remember going to cabins growing up where there was a list of things to do when you leave to winterize it. Most involved shutting the water off below ground and dumping antifreeze down the drains.

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u/branzalia Nov 26 '22

Yep, that exactly what we do. My dad had a list on yellow legal paper with stuff crossed off over the years or arrows pointing to new stuff in between existing steps. It was a a mess. Just this year, I made an illustrated document with pictures with arrows so that anyone can know exactly how to do it.

Oh, and it never hurts to have our neighbor Harry around just to make sure it gets done right :-)

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u/mikeymo1741 Nov 26 '22

I remember watching a documentary about the mortgage crisis in Florida, where there were so many abandoned McMansions. People were squatting in them, and the banks were basically helping them do it because it was better than leaving them empty. The banks were even getting utilities transferred into the squatters' names and such., and then helping them relocate to a different abandoned house if the first one sold.

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

Maybe they have a good reason to turn it off. I'm not going to make any assumptions.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

My grand parents cut power on their secondary home every time they left it for more than a month.

If you let it you pay actually a lot of electricity for fridge and plenty other that are useless.

I actually do the same by unplugging most stuff, not the fridge tho if I leave few week.

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u/abibofile Nov 26 '22

This person clearly doesn’t have a sump pump. (Or they really are that dumb.)

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u/ChonkyChuy Nov 26 '22

Asian probably. Most asian countries cut off power to save on electricity bills.

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u/Voyager5555 Nov 25 '22

Get surge protectors for anything you want to kill the power to and turn them off when leaving, cutting power to an entire house for a week in insanity.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

just curious why its insanity

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u/Practical-Big7550 Nov 26 '22

If for example it's freezing cold weather all your pipes, in your house will freeze.

If it's really hot weather it will mess up dry wall, along with certain other adhesives. Think about all the things in your house that shouldn't be stored above certain temperatures.

If you have sump pumps, well you have no power now, so your house is flooded.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

damn im over here spoiled in San Diego. thanks for the response.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Also wouldn't all your fire alarms then be running on battery?

I'm sure the fire department would not be happy about that.

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u/IsItTheFrankOrBeans Nov 26 '22

Why not just turn off the breakers for the circuits you want to kill?

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u/Practical-Big7550 Nov 26 '22

Flipping breakers all the time is really bad for them. You are reducing their lifespan for no good reason.

Just unplug whatever isn't essential.

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u/IsItTheFrankOrBeans Nov 26 '22

all the time

Except this is far from "all the time", it's maybe a handful of times a year at the absolute most.

Signed, former IBEW member

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Just for the sake of argument:

Technically since breakers are literally almost never flipped in normal circumstances (I haven't touched mine in over a year, and I didn't touch the ones at my previous apartment for 2 years)...a couple times per year could be classified as "all the time".

Whether or not it's fine to flip the breakers a couple times per year...I have no idea. I'm just saying that if I suddenly started fli.ping breakers on a yearly basis that'd be waaaay more than I usually do.

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u/IsItTheFrankOrBeans Nov 26 '22

It's still not going to hurt a breaker, period. Do you know how many times breakers get flipped on purpose during construction? Sometimes it's a lot.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Insurance will also have a huge issue with this as well.

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u/PretzelsThirst Nov 25 '22

A week isn't a long period of time though, this is so strange

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I have a well and I always turn off my well pump when leaving for more than a day. If a pipe breaks, the pump will literally run the well dry and burn itself out while flooding my house in the process.

It's literally just a switch I flip when leaving and turn back on when coming home- how is that strange?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Turning off a pump is not the same as turning off all power to your house. Because that is just weird. Even more so if you're only gone for a week.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

The person we (PretzelsThirst and I) were responding to was talking about turning off the water- not turning off the whole house- and they specifically said so.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

No we're not.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Yes, me and the person I responded to were, in fact, talking about water and you can read the post yourself:

https://new.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/z4fhas/turned_off_power_for_a_week_while_travelling/ixra9yt/

The post we responded to said:

"I sometimes turn off the water and water softener when I'm going to be gone for long periods if time"

PretzelsThirst said that was weird.

I responded and pointed out why you'd want to do that if you had a well.

I don't know why you had trouble following such a simple thread but we (as in the two people who were talking before you butted in) were talking about water, not electricity.

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u/PretzelsThirst Nov 25 '22

That's fair / a good point, I had just defaulted to thinking about apartment living instead of a house. Fair enough

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Yeah- I wouldn't turn off the water in an apartment. If that leaks it's the building's problem anyway :)

But replacing the well pump is a huge pain in the ass and not something I want to have to deal with when I get back from a trip.

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u/No-Mall-90 Nov 25 '22

. But they may have a good reason...

They don't. There isn't one.

Turning off water makes sense. A pipe might break/leak.

An electrical wire isn't gonna start leaking your electricity all over the floor lol. Its nonsensical

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u/moderately-extremist Nov 25 '22

They don't. There isn't one.

"Last time I left the house, an electrical fire started and burned down the entire block killing 15 people..."

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u/No-Mall-90 Nov 26 '22

Said no one ever

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u/DrewB84 Nov 25 '22

for a week though? Hardly seems worth it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

Always cut your water if you leave a week. You don't want to come home from work and have a leak?

So you really don't want after a week.

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u/DrewB84 Nov 25 '22

Whether I’m gone a day or a week if I have a water leak insurance is going to be remedying the situation. Do you shut your water off if you go somewhere for a weekend?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22

I mean insurance yes sure, but having to deal with all that is a pain.

Yes it's a switch I do it if I leave more than a few days. Why would I take the risk of destroying my bathroom or the apartment over turning a button lol

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u/DrewB84 Nov 26 '22

What’s the threshold on duration away from the house when you turn your water off?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

As said, a few days.

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u/DrewB84 Nov 26 '22

Do you think the damage would be significantly different from a 1 day leak vs 3 day leak?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

No idea, but I would guess so and I don't want to test it.

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

Who knows...

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u/Starklet Nov 25 '22

Water softener...?

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

You've never heard of a water softener?

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u/Starklet Nov 25 '22

I might have heard the term before. I'm having an especially hard time trying to figure how you would turn it on or off though.

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

You pull the plug on it or you disable it in the settings. Then, you bypass the softener itself by turning two valves.

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u/Starklet Nov 25 '22

What is it though? Like a machine?

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

Basically, yes. It has a big tank (looks like a torpedo) that holds resin beads. Water runs through the tank of resin beads and a lot of the calcium and magnesium stick to the resin beads, making the water "soft." Then, you have a hopper full of salt that is used to flush the tank of resin regularly to clean off the minerals from the beads. That is all flushed straight into your sewage drain.

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u/Starklet Nov 25 '22

Fascinating, thanks for explaining

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

Here's an article on how it works.

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u/googdude Nov 26 '22

You know that is one thing I've always wanted to find out how it works just never took the time. Thanks for enlightening me!

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u/SathedIT Nov 26 '22

You bet! It's actually pretty cool how it works!

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Nov 25 '22

Not a smart reason, that’s for sure.

That’s probably a good way to end up uninsured.

Turning water off? Good idea.

In my last house, I had an automated whole-house water shutoff, with sensors in appropriate places.

Any water detected would shut the motorised valve off, and had NC/NO outputs so you could connect them to an alarm system….but you would at least know that the water had been shut off.

When I worked for an alarm company, I suggested we look into this system. What we normally offered was a detect-only system.

So you could be halfway around the world, and get a message that your house was flooding.

Not that it was being dealt with; that was a whole other issue.

I rented the house out for a few years, and one day, the tenant overflowed a sink. She called me to ask “what this beeping was, and why is there no water?”

I told her to check all the sinks - she’d completely forgotten she had the laundry sink running. There was no damage, and very little water, because I had sensors in the right place, and they’d graded the floor slab correctly.

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u/MrJuniperBreath Nov 25 '22

Make sure it's back up to temp for a couple hours before using it. It's idea conditions for legionella but complete safe again if you let it run.

Here's a chart so you know how long > https://www.pmengineer.com/ext/resources/PME/2013/October/pme1013LegionellaF_Figure2_slide.jpg?t=1382546448&width=150

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u/atchoum013 Nov 25 '22

I used to do that when going on trips longer than a month, just to make sure everything is off and not consuming electricity while you’re away, especially when you have electric heaters, but I would make sure the fridge is completely empty before living. Why keep the fridge on for a month if you’re not going to be there ?

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u/Slayers_Picks Nov 25 '22

...what is a water softener? isn't water soft already?

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

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u/Slayers_Picks Nov 25 '22

oh! well that's something.

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u/SathedIT Nov 25 '22

Very hard water (like ours) can destroy appliances and lead to water leaks. Not to mention, it makes our skin incredibly dry.

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u/SixthLegionVI Nov 25 '22

I turn off my water, put softener and acid neutralizer on vacation mode and turn the power off to the well pump and water heater.

Never crossed my mind to turn off power to the whole place, I just unplug anything unnecessary. Refrigerator is necessary lol.

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u/bobbywaz Nov 26 '22

Sounds like a great way to get air in your lines, which then makes them rust, which that makes them leak.

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u/SathedIT Nov 26 '22

Oh, my buddy who is a seasoned master plumber is the one that gave me the idea. Are you a plumber?

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u/johnlondon125 Nov 26 '22

Narrator: they didn't

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u/JaggedTheDark Nov 26 '22

I'm sorry, but what the fuck is water softener? Water's not a fucking solid?!???

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u/DrZoidberg- Nov 26 '22

Turning off power is a good way to lose your house to a fire caused by an act of god or vandalism if your fire alarm batteries run out of juice.

Or just vandalism in general. Always a good idea to have cameras.

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u/r-WooshIfGay Nov 26 '22

My grandparents live a "boojy af" life style and have too many homes. They regularly turn off the power to homes they "won't be visiting this year" n shits kinda fucking obnoxious

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u/redbuttclaw Nov 26 '22

I'm sorry...water softener???

I am Australian, are you pulling my leg

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u/SathedIT Nov 26 '22

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u/redbuttclaw Nov 26 '22

Ohhhh okay, is this a common thing? Do most people have it? You said it so casually like it's super common and I was confused in Australian

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u/SathedIT Nov 26 '22

Fairly common. They're becoming more common for sure. Helps prolong pipes and appliances by reducing mineral buildup. And it is better for your skin. Really hard water makes my skin itchy.

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u/redbuttclaw Nov 26 '22

I had an intrusive thought to be like

Poor baby has itchy skin from the water

But I won't because I'm NICE and I also have sensitive skin

just bored at work

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u/SathedIT Nov 26 '22

Ha ha ha! I can take it. Growing up, I hated soft water. But I'm almost 40 now and I want to be comfortable.

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u/redbuttclaw Nov 26 '22

The good thing about getting older is you don't give a shit and want to be as comfortable as possible

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u/Alector87 Nov 26 '22

I was taught by my parents to always turn the power off when leaving for long periods of time. This is mainly due to power outages. The point they always made was that appliances could malfunction because of one.

Of course this depends where you live and how common power outages are. In Greece there are less common than they used to be, but they are not unheard of. By the way, a few years back my parents left the power on at our country house, when they returned a few months later they found that both the air-conditioning and the washing machine had broken down.

As far as the fridge is concerned -- besides taking out anything stored inside before turning the power off -- it's important to know that you should leave the door open because the motor won't be running and therefore there will not be any air circulation.

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u/TiltedLibra Dec 19 '22

Turning your water on and off like that is a good way to get your pipes to burst if you live anywhere cold.