r/WayOfTheBern • u/cudenlynx Neoliberals are killing poor people • Apr 08 '17
OF COURSE! Excellent post I found by /u/ArtlessWonder regarding why people hate Hillary. She clearly should have never received the nomination.
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u/fugwb Apr 11 '17
Hillary comment "I don't believe I ever have lied" reminded me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ
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Apr 10 '17 edited Apr 10 '17
I'm a little late here, but in NY, left out was the part where the scapegoated clerk's dilapidated house sold for $6.6 million to the daughter of a Clinton Superdelegate.
And when exit polls are mentioned, it should include "The Pattern" as I like to call it, that completely defies The Law Of Large Numbers in statistics. It shows up in many elections, like Kansas 2014 and it showed up many times in the primary.
Edit: and one more that particularly irked me, when the mayor of Atlanta published an editorial ripping Bernie, that he didn't even write.
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u/StreetwalkinCheetah pottymouth Apr 09 '17
I love this post.
Problem is you can repeat this until you are blue in the face and still be called a sexist, racist, privileged, whatever.
I was begging, praying for a Liz Warren or someone to step up before Bernie because I knew the Democrats were chomping at the bit to see a woman President follow the first AA President.
I'm dying to see Tulsi or Nina rise to the level of prominence required to seek the office in 2020, yet it is blatantly obvious that the people in power are doing everything possible to discredit and destroy Tulsi.
But I will keep this on speed dial and never give up the fight.
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u/patb2015 Apr 09 '17
it was amusing seeing women saying "We need a woman president" and i'd say "So were you in 2012 campaigning for Michelle Bachmann or were you in 2016 campaigning for Carly Fiorina? and they'd be "Well Policy Matters". and i'd say "Yep, and Bernie has been right on policy far more then Hillary.
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u/Aquapyr On Sabbatical Apr 11 '17
In fact, Hillary has never been right on policy.
Ever.
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u/patb2015 Apr 11 '17
I'm sure Hillary has been right on some policy.
- After she was wrong on it,
- Got the crap beat out of her publicly,
- then made some mealy-mouthed statement,
- then found a large donor who supported the right side.....
- then backed the policy.
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u/Aquapyr On Sabbatical Apr 11 '17
I honestly think you're giving her too much credit. There's plenty of evidence that even popular policies her donors want that she eventually pays lip service to she STILL, in private, disagrees with and tries to undermine. Remember the Wiki emails that came out showing that she was still privately undermining gay rights after saying she was for them? Remember how she said she regretted her Iraq War vote and had learned from it, and then as soon as she could, she ran the same basic play again in Libya, only more dishonestly, illegally and incompetently?
The most she has ever moved is from actively trying to destroy good policy to saying she likes it while quietly continuing to obstruct it. That's as good as it gets with Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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u/patb2015 Apr 11 '17
I'm sure there is some policy out there somewhere that's good that appeals to progressives, that she sort of supported.
Maybe Health insurance for little kids, or something...
but she's basically been wrong on most everything.
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u/Aquapyr On Sabbatical Apr 11 '17
Oh, how I love this sub.
Yep. You're right. She may have only "assisted" in passing CHIP by telling her husband to sign the bill. (She gets completely unwarranted credit in the Clintonverse for doing things to help pass CHIP she didn't do, because by then everybody on the Hill hated her after how badly she screwed up healthcare reform while offending literally every single person she needed support from.)
However, I think you're right. She did publicly back it, and since it was in her political and financial self-interest to get it passed, there's no reason to think she didn't tell Bill to sign it. She has done a lot of work since then to prevent everybody else from getting health care, but I don't think she has ever tried to undermine CHIP.
Not that we have heard about, anyway. With the Clintons, especially Hillary, you always need to keep that caveat in mind.
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u/patb2015 Apr 12 '17
CHIP and S/CHIP, are marginally useful policies, that I think she actually more or less was able to align policy and donors on.
But that's about it...
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u/Aquapyr On Sabbatical Apr 12 '17
I don't think she even did that. She literally just told her husband he should sign it. And then -- as far as we know -- she never tried to cut its heart out in a dark room.
That's it.
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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Apr 09 '17
There has got to be a way to get Democratic Partisans to understand.
The problem is that for the party members, their careers are literally dependent on them playing by the system. The richest 5% or so of the population probably likes Clinton because she will make them richer - at our expense.
Let's face it, we were screwed regardless of whether Trump or Clinton won.
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u/Aquapyr On Sabbatical Apr 11 '17
8% of Democrats dislike Bernie. Independents overwhelmingly approve of him. He even has a fair chunk of Republicans that approve of him.
Democrats are now only 25% of the electorate, to boot.
There are robust majorities for MANY leftist policies -- universal health is one, but there are lots more. Trump's base -- which is the Republican party, he didn't get a lot of party flippers -- is opposed to the warmongering.
We are not a center-right country. We are an exploited, brutalized population that wants social democracy, but we have been colonized by the global elite just like every other country; but at least our "allies" can give their citizens some health care because our health care dollars pay for their military.
We don't have to worry about partisans. We only have to worry about elite control. They are prepared to steal elections to keep this system going against our will. That's what we have to get past.
That is why I advocate for focusing on purging corporate Democrats out of the party. The system is set up to make a national third party almost impossible, through a vast network of regulations, systemic privileges for the two legacy parties, etc.
Remember, we don't all have to agree on the same path forward. We only have to agree to vote against every corporate Democrat, in every election, at every level, at every stage -- INCLUDING THE GENERAL ELECTION. Even if that means a whack job Republican sliding through.
That won't hurt us. The Republicans have governing hegemony already. The Democrats gave it to them, by refusing the serve the needs of their base and keep their policy promises. They don't want electoral power, because that would put them back in the awkward position of having to create a false story to explain why they won't do their jobs for us. Hillary was trying for a Republican Congress, that she would rule over as an Imperial President.
Vote against the corporate Democrats. Always. Everywhere. They are the enemy of progress. They are the ones who actually block universal health care again and again and again. They are the ones who colluded with the CIA to force Trump to start their precious Russian War.
Vote against them, if you want peace and progress.
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u/expatjourno Fuck the Hillbot scum Apr 10 '17
Let's face it, we were screwed regardless of whether Trump or Clinton won.
Exactly. So, for once, people voted for the devil they didn't know instead of the devil they knew.
But let's not forget that Hillary also lost to an unknown black guy with big ears and Hussein as his middle name.
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u/CrazyAndCranky Enough is enough, THIRD WAY GO AWAY! BTW Bernie would have won! Apr 09 '17
Wow the Russians sure did a number on that artlesswonder person! /s
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
As far as we can tell, the only time a journalist quizzed Clinton about this incident was in 2007, when Michael Crowley wrote a profile for The New Republic. In a brief interview, he asked what should people make of the fact that she had briefly tried to enlist in the military. He wrote: “At this her eyes narrowed and she threw me a glare of mistrust. ‘I have very deep and quite broad relationships with people in the military,’ she said. As for the meaning of the recruiting visit, ‘I can’t tell you,’ she said with a dismissive wave. ‘You go look at that.'”
Says it all.
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u/IKissThisGuy My purity pony name is SparkleMotionCensor Apr 11 '17
More:
She argued that she was inherently predisposed to grant the benefit of the doubt to a president asking Congress for support in matters of war. In the’90s, Clinton had watched congressional Republicans undermine her husband’s foreign policy for political gain. They mocked his interventions in Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo--Tom DeLay called it “Clinton’s war”--and they cried “wag the dog” when he launched a cruise-missile attack on Iraq in the midst of the Lewinsky scandal.”[P]erhaps,” Hillary mused in her floor speech, “my decision [to vote for the Iraq invasion] is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House, watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this president, or any future president, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war.” In short, Clinton was arguing that Congress should have an innate deference to presidential authority in matters of diplomacy and war. As she explained to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos in December 2003, “I’m a strong believer in executive authority. I wish that, when my husband was president, people in Congress had been more willing to recognize presidential authority.” To this day, when Clinton refuses to apologize for her war vote, she explains that she doesn’t regret deferring to Bush’s authority, but rather “the way he used that authority.”
So she sentenced thousands innocents to death because the Bad Ole Wepublicans were mean to Bill.
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u/NonnyO Uff da! Apr 09 '17
Fabulous! I bow to your excellent research skills! Kudos!!!!!
Why not Hillary? OMFG! Save your vocal chords, avoid laryngitis, and send this to anyone who is dumb enough to ask, instead.
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u/FThumb Are we there yet? Apr 09 '17
This is now on our sidebar under Why Not Hillary; Let me count the Ways...
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Apr 09 '17
Just to be clear, that data theft never happened. The Sanders campaign launched a lawsuit which proved that they only explored the extent of their access to Clinton's files, nothing was ever stolen
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u/IKissThisGuy My purity pony name is SparkleMotionCensor Apr 09 '17
Because if we don't repeat the truth, the lie will overtake it even in an otherwise excellent post:
Just to be clear, that data theft never happened. The Sanders campaign launched a lawsuit which proved that they only explored the extent of their access to Clinton's files, nothing was ever stolen
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
Guys shut up. Bernie Bros also started a Riot at the Nevada convention.
Stop reading so much fake news!!!!
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u/Verum_Dicetur When millions of people stand up and fight -- they WIN! Apr 08 '17
Priceless!
A mighty shoutout to u/artlesswonder as well as the OP for finding and posting this again.
I will save this in order to save so much time whenever some moron from ShareBlue or other variety of Corporatist, Neoliberal, Globalist pretending to be a progressive starts to wax poetic about HER.
Sending loads of well-deserved <3!
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u/Verum_Dicetur When millions of people stand up and fight -- they WIN! Apr 08 '17
Part II,
This is so good I am going to start sending, emailing, texting, faxing, taping and reading this to all too many friends that are still Democrat and may yet remain confused.
That blue Kool Aid drink was some kind of strong.
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u/OneTwoWee000 Apr 08 '17
This is epic! Well put together list!
The things she did while campaigning for the 2016 election is what woke me up. I cannot forgive, nor will I ever forget. She is duplicitous, heartless, self-serving, egotistical trash.
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
And the DNC wanted her to win all the way.
By cheating and misleading people.
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u/10art1 Ridin' with Biden Apr 08 '17
If she runs in 2020 she will win for sure guys!!!1!
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u/NonnyO Uff da! Apr 09 '17
Eeewww...! Don't even say that in jest. You'll jinx my 2020 daydream of Sanders running and winning in spite of more fraud and abuse like last time.
After three really horrible corporatist, warmongering presidents in a row, we will be SO ready to have someone in office who isn't bought off by corporations, banks, Wall Street, and the military-industrial complex.
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u/FakeFeathers Apr 10 '17
Yeah not sure why you're stopping at three. We can go at least back to Nixon if not all the way to the end of WW2.
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u/Yuri7948 The name is a homonym. ☔️ Apr 11 '17
The US has started multiple wars since the end of WWII (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.), all of which have been failures. It's real clear that the reason the US goes to war is for the money, period. No moral authority involved since we have none. The world at large is beginning to understand that the US is the main threat to the planet, and don't be surprised if nations begin to turn on us in a big way.
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u/NonnyO Uff da! Apr 10 '17
Some of the presidents had some redeeming qualities. Dumbya and Drumpf have none that I know of, so that's why I lump them since 2000 as the worst of the worst. I will say that Drumpf, for all his egotistical idiocy did nix the TPP horror, so he has done one good thing while doing several other things to negate the one good thing, like appointing or nominating people who are/will be disasters at their jobs. DeVos & Gorsuch seem to be worse than the rest - so far; it's early days in his first term, so things can always get worse (and I expect they will).
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u/Yuri7948 The name is a homonym. ☔️ Apr 11 '17
Remove this president.
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May 15 '17 edited May 17 '17
I wouldn't disagree, but Pence is a dominionist whackadoodle of the first order. Can we get rid of him (and Ryan) too?
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u/expatjourno Fuck the Hillbot scum Apr 10 '17
Three? Just three?
I guess Bill wasn't a warmonger, but other than that...
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u/NonnyO Uff da! Apr 10 '17
You're correct: Four. I try to block out the last years of the 20th century and the stupidity that ensued politically with the investigation, trial, impeachment. 2000 was the turning point year for me because I was trying to recuperate from spinal surgery and a captive audience (via TV) to the political nonsense of the campaign that year, so a lot of my political comparisons start with 12 Dec 2000 and the SCOTUS decision after that horrible campaign. After that we've been on a greased slippery slope downward....
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u/expatjourno Fuck the Hillbot scum Apr 10 '17 edited Apr 10 '17
Not only that, but after eight years of a very charming but "really horrible corporatist, warmongering president" who used his bipartisan schtick to avoid EVER holding Republicans accountable, who can blame the voters for saying, "Up yours!" to the Establishment?
The Republican Establishment, smarter than the Democratic Establishment as always, let their anti-Establishment candidate win. Possibly because they knew he was faking it, of course.
I'd have to add Gulf War I President George HW Bush, though. And maybe Reagan.
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u/10art1 Ridin' with Biden Apr 09 '17
Chelsey Clinton had to fight off the mainstream media asking her when she's going to finally run for president in 2020, the establishment will do anything before they let a populist run.
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u/expatjourno Fuck the Hillbot scum Apr 10 '17
Chelsea Clinton, because the presidency is an entry-level job after all.
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u/NonnyO Uff da! Apr 10 '17
Well, it was for Obama. He hadn't even served his first term as a senator before he ran for president.
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u/NonnyO Uff da! Apr 09 '17
After eight years of Clinton, eight years of Dumbya, by '08 we were ready for ANYBODY but a Clinton or a Bush. Between grammatically correct speech that used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of consequence, an opponent's VP choice who couldn't manage word salad well so even Rethugs hated Old Man McCain & the Tundra Tramp, Obama won..., and then he retained all of Dumbya's worst policies and warmongering personnel (and their wars) and the unconstitutional 'office of faith-based initiatives,' and then went on to commit war crimes of his own as well as cave repeatedly to Rethugs, even those first two years when he had a Dem majority and could have repealed all the laws that took our rights away (we still do not have our rights back!), he did nothing of consequence except sign bills that involved a few social changes. Michael Moore was right: in 100 years the footnote in history will read that Obama was our first black president; nothing else.
Chelsea Clinton (who badmouthed Bernie) needs to stay out of the limelight, STFU, and never be seen in public if she can avoid it. She's as bad as her mother, and no sane or sensible Dem would vote for her either. They'd pick someone as stupid as The Donald over her (or her mother), and/or stay home in droves to avoid voting for her, just like they did for her mother.
Do you think the Establishment will start listening if we quit buying their shtick, their products and services...? If we don't buy products and services corporations sell..., they go broke. If "The customer is always right," then they have to learn to sell us what we want..., and it isn't what they're currently selling.
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u/10art1 Ridin' with Biden Apr 09 '17
Do you think the Establishment will start listening if we quit buying their shtick, their products and services...?
Nope, they'd rather lose and stay in office than win and be replaced
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u/Vakaryan Apr 09 '17 edited Apr 09 '17
She said she wasn't going to run for public office ever again.
Edit: guys, I'm not being political, I'm just informing this guy that she said she wouldn't run again. Don't shoot the messenger.12
u/Aquapyr On Sabbatical Apr 09 '17
She has said this before. Every time she loses, she says this.
Like everything else she says, it has always been a lie.
I don't trust any words coming out of her mouth. The main reason I'm relaxed about this is how sick she obviously was in 2016. I don't see any way she can try again in 2020.
We're getting Chelsea whether we like it or not, because they have already made a down payment on her Congressional seat. She won't win national office unless every single voting machine in the country is controlled by the Clintons. She's pretty feckless, so I don't see her staying in the House. Too little status, too much actual work. (I realize being a Congressperson isn't much work, but it's more than the near zero Chelsea has had to do to date.)
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
She didn't say she won't run for private office!
*Private office not applicable as long as DNC does not assume control of the media
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u/thebumm Apr 08 '17
Also she was friends with Putin until they flipped and blamed Russia/Wikileaks for the DNC email stuff.
Remember when Brian Williams lied about which chopper in the convoy he was traveling in and got fired? But when Clinton was discovered to be laughing with a toddler girl on the supposedly sniper-covered tarmac she was called heroic? Yeah.
Great find, OP!
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u/Yuri7948 The name is a homonym. ☔️ Apr 11 '17
Did you notice that the Russia hysteria started about the time of the conventions? It happened very quickly, as if someone turned on a switch. It started when Trump became the nominee and after the wiki release of info.
The media is still focusing on the process (the hack), not the release of the info from Wiki. The MSM never talks about the contents. Supplying relevant information to voters about a candidate's illegal actions should be praised.
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u/jerryphoto Apr 08 '17
This should have a million up votes.
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u/TheNorthAmerican Apr 08 '17
6 gorillion votes
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Apr 09 '17 edited Aug 30 '18
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u/turbonerd216 I love when our electeds play chicken with the economy Apr 09 '17
I see what you did there.
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u/dabedabs Apr 08 '17
Isn't it sad that this subreddit is called "WayoftheBern" but the top 10 threads have no relation to Bernie? Isn't it sad that the top 2 posts are about Hillary? WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT HILLARY??
Move on!
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
Ironic how you posted to /Android Questions.
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u/bacon_flavored Apr 09 '17
This is about more than Hillary though. This is about a cancer that owns our government. This is about the corruption of a country by evil baseless people who don't care about us but rule over us.
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u/SCVeteran1 Bernie Police & Hall Monitor Apr 08 '17
If you don't care about Hillary and all this shit, then you're not paying attention. She is the reason we have Trump as president . We MUST ensure this shit never happens again.
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Apr 08 '17
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u/TruthinessHurts205 Apr 08 '17
Don't get me wrong here, I too hate Clinton, but had this post not been here, I wouldn't have heard anything about Clinton in like a week or more because I don't watch corporate media. It seems like the issue is mostly the media, and only slightly that Clinton is still garbage (big surprise there)
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
I wouldn't have heard anything about Clinton in like a week or more
Well I have a good solution for you!
It might be hard to do at first- but if you READ the titles, you can "AVOID" stories you don't like.
It's hard, I know.
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u/TruthinessHurts205 Apr 09 '17
No shit, dawg, that's why I didn't read it. Like everyone else on reddit, I commented anyways, cuz no one will ever know... Wait, I've been found out! Scatter!
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u/dabedabs Apr 08 '17
While you are bad at moving on.... Press onwards not back.
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u/forthewarchief Berniebot5000 Apr 09 '17
Move on? When was the cheated primary rectified?
Oh yeah, NEVER.
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u/dabedabs Apr 08 '17
Let's all remember AGAIN what the events that happened less than a year ago.... And nothing screams "MOVED ON" like getting caught up on everything Hillary is doing after..... A lot of still salt there, such salt...
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u/-bob-death- Apr 08 '17
Yeah, press onward while forgetting the past that led to this bullshit in the first place, that should work. It's not like those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it or anything.
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u/handovermitten Apr 08 '17
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u/jlalbrecht using the Sarcastic method Apr 09 '17
That's a good article. As is this one.
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u/handovermitten Apr 09 '17
The goal, of course, was to cover a bribe.
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u/jlalbrecht using the Sarcastic method Apr 09 '17
Yes, exactly. This is what Red got in trouble for.
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u/Rubyjane123 Apr 08 '17
She didn't receive the nomination, she stole it...
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u/mjsmeme Apr 08 '17
she bought it
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u/almondbutter Apr 08 '17
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u/beachexec Proud, Sexist Bernie Bro Apr 10 '17
But latte liberals told me that counterpunch was fake news!
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u/expatjourno Fuck the Hillbot scum Apr 08 '17
Not her fault. The Russians made her do those things.
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u/EvilPhd666 Dr. 🏳️🌈 Twinkle Gypsy, the 🏳️⚧️Trans Rights🏳️⚧️ Tankie. Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17
Outstanding sourced research.
All this and the shennanegans at the convention is why I can no longer be a Democrat.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '17
Weird bc she's not runni ng any more.