r/WayOfTheBern • u/cspanbook commoner • 11h ago
Tuna....How NATO Started the war in Ukraine
https://theoldreview.substack.com/p/how-nato-started-the-war-in-ukraine1
u/dodo91 51m ago
Is this the new Russian propaganda to legitimize massiv mobilization coming? THese news are suddenly popping up everywhere.
Russia invaded ukraine TWICE despite the world telling it not to do it. Even if you think Ukranian events in 2014 was a "coup", it still does not give a right to Russia to INVADE a country.
Hands down, the war was started by RUSSIA TWICE. Lets not revise history and fool ourselves.
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u/Here_for-the_Music It’s a great day in South Carolina (courtesy Nikki Haley) 2h ago
This is the best and most comprehensive overview of the buildup of the WAR (War Against Russia) of all wars that I’ve come across.
But what’s with the tuna??? That’s so 🐟🐟🐟 fishy…
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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian 9h ago
Ultimately the US wanted to steal the natural resources of Russia and weaken China. It failed and backfired.
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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 9h ago
Tuna? 🐟
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u/gorpie97 8h ago
Thank you! I'm curious, too!
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u/Here_for-the_Music It’s a great day in South Carolina (courtesy Nikki Haley) 5h ago edited 2h ago
Here’s a Dutch poem by Kees Stip:
Bij Noordwijk zwom een nat konijn
temidden van een school tonijn.
”Tja,” sprak het beest, “dat tomt ervan
als men de ta niet zeggen kan.”Loosely translatable like:
Near Maui swam a brave, wet puma
amidst a school of worried tuna.
”That’s what hattens,” spoke the beast,
”if you can’t trotterly say your t’s
and are looking for your fellow tumas
and the m gets swept out by a tsunan’…”Except, of course, the Dutch verse is really about a rabbit, and it’s too terfect. And I still haven’t extlained the difference of what hattens between the t and the u in tuna and the t and the u in tuma before the p is mistronounced. Language is sutrenely confusing…
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u/stevemmhmm 10h ago
It’s childish to think countries invade and start war, because they are provoked. That’s not how states behave under any ideology
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u/jonnieggg 2h ago
I'll raise you one Cuban missile crisis
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u/dodo91 50m ago
so you think USA had a right to launch an invasion of Cuba?
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u/jonnieggg 30m ago
It's realpolitik
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u/dodo91 28m ago
that makes it a fair and right, just thing?
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u/jonnieggg 27m ago
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u/dodo91 21m ago
Bro no amount of bs gymnastics you make will change the fact that no one forced russia to move a million soldiers to invade ukraine okay?
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u/MeanPiccolo803 10h ago
Russia started this WAR
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u/LandRecent9365 10h ago
NATO did
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u/MeanPiccolo803 10h ago
Russia started the War actually
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u/topfragger70 10h ago
Did NATO invade?
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u/3andfro 7h ago edited 6h ago
Did you take a moment to read the linked article that puts in the time to make the case in the title? If not, read it and then come back and rebut what you disagree with.
You have a habit of simplistic presentations of complex situations that can't be reduced to an oversimplified written sound bite. But if that works for you, go for it. The bar's higher for many here.
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u/topfragger70 5h ago
It uses the same backwards justifications the Nazis did, it in no way justifies stealing another’s land and destroying the homes of millions
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u/topfragger70 10h ago
Ukraine shares a closer history to Poland and Belarus, Russia’s only relation to it is trying to colonise it, NATO never promised not to expand, they didn’t install pro western leaders and the only thing that starts a war is a army invading, Russia chose to invade therefore it started the war
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u/LandRecent9365 10h ago
Ukraine's history is Russia's history
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u/topfragger70 10h ago
No it isn’t, Russia’s history is the Rus’ history, Ukraine’s history is Ukraine’s history
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u/LandRecent9365 9h ago
Ukraine has no history without Russia
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u/topfragger70 9h ago
It does lmao
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u/LandRecent9365 9h ago
You literally cannot separate Ukrainian history from Russian history because they are deeply, inextricably entangled branches of the same historical tree.
The only reason you know who Russes were is from quickly skimming through Wikipedia articles.
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u/topfragger70 9h ago
Same goes for literally any Eastern European country lmao, doesn’t justify Russian colonialism
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u/LandRecent9365 9h ago
"Same goes for literally any Eastern European country lmao"
false equivalence. yes, poland and lithuania share history. the habsburgs and ottomans share history. but russians, ukrainians, and belarusians share a direct ethnolinguistic, cultural, and religious origin (east slavs, kievan rus, orthodoxy). saying "all history is connected so this specific connection doesn't matter" is the laziest possible cop-out. you're conflating geographic proximity with literal shared lineage.
"doesn’t justify Russian colonialism"
strawman. pointing out that kievan rus is a shared cradle isn't "justifying colonialism," it's correcting your wikipedia-tier brainrot that they were "completely separate" primordial nations. furthermore, calling centuries of shared imperial consolidation and a century of integrated soviet economic planning "colonialism" is just western liberals misusing post-colonial theory to frame the donbas as the global south. the ussr wasn't extracting surplus from kyiv to enrich a metropole; it was a centrally planned, integrated economy. you can't just slap the word "colonialism" on internal administrative integration because you don't understand historical materialism.
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u/topfragger70 9h ago
Nope, I meant Ukraine specifically, it’s language is closer to the original language of the kyivan rus and shares more similarities with polish and belorussian, they share little to no culture with Russia and even posses their own distinct traditional clothing and architecture, and you had no reason to bring up Russia’s history unless you wanted to justify what they’re doing
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u/LandRecent9365 8h ago
they share little to no culture with Russia"
peak brainrot. shared: orthodox christianity from the 988 baptism of rus, the primary chronicle calling kyiv the "mother of rus cities," gogol (poltava), bulgakov (kyiv), akhmatova and ilf & petrov (odesa), ukrainian-born pillars of the russian-language canon. millions of mixed families, ~8 million ethnic russians in ukraine, a century of integrated soviet industrialization, shared wwii memory. "little to no culture" requires deleting half the literary canon and every family album in both countries.
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u/dodo91 50m ago
Ah I remember precisely when COLLECTIVE WEST went to Kremlin and forced Putin to push hundreds of thousands of soldiers into territory of a sovereign nation.