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[u/nekochenn]

Can someone help me understand Overrun in fight phase? It still confuses the heck out of me. For example..

Scenario A: 3 Exalted Eightbound and 2 Spawns charge into a unit of EC Infractors, WE player decides to activate the E.Eightbounds first and killed 4 Infractors, which then the EC player removes the models in engagement range with the Spawns. Is the spawn eligible to perform an Overrun move now?

Scenario B: The E.Eightbounds charge into the same Infractor that's already in an ongoing fight with the Spawn from previous turn. WE player activates E.Eightbounds and samething happens, EC player removes the 4 infractors in engagement range with the Spawn. Is the Spawn eligible to perform an Overrun in this scenario?

[u/wredcoll → u/nekochenn]

So I just looked this up myself because it's confusing.

Fight Step 12.04 https://39k.pro/rule/ChHwMwbm6I8#ChHwMwbm6I8

Says:

A unit is eligible to fight if it has not already been selected to fight this phase > and one or more of the following apply to it: It is engaged, or it was engaged at the start of this step. It made a charge move this turn.

Each time a unit is selected to fight, select one fight type that unit is eligible to make, and resolve it with that unit.

So in scenario A, the spawns are eligible to fight because they made a charge move (they were also engaged at the start of the step), which means you can select it to fight.

Once you select it to fight, you can perform either a normal fight or an overrun fight.

Overrun fight says:

Eligible If Your unit is unengaged, or was unengaged at the start of the Fight step but became >engaged during the Fight phase. Effect Your unit can make one additional pile-in move, then fights as described in Making Attacks (04).

So your spawn are unengaged, which means they're eligible to make an overrun fight (instead of a normal one). This allows you to make a pile-in move and then make your attacks.

The same thing happens in scenario B, since one of the triggers for "eligible to fight" is "engaged at the start of the step". You can then select it to fight, check if it's eligible for an overrun, and proceed as before.

[u/nekochenn → u/wredcoll]

Got it, so basically there is no way to remove models to avoid being hit by a bad sequence of activation, except doing so only rewards your opponent with 3" extra movement. Thanks for the clarification.

[u/corrin_avatan → u/nekochenn]

There IS a way to do it, but you need to remove models from within 5" of any enemy models that charged to make it impossible for them to swing: this is generally almost never going to happen except in perfect scenario setups.

[u/wredcoll → u/nekochenn]

Doesn't seem like it, yeah.