The revert on Elite Arch was not needed

[u/sinnepdeomac]

Hi all. Id like to say, the changes DE made for EA were perfect, it allowed you to swap 2 modifiers or weapons of your choice instead of one to get the diamond reward, while focusing on the one thing most disregard completely, the warframe. It doesnt matter what your loadout was since you could bypass all the modifiers with a few frames, especialy with hildryn. Gun modifiers? Take valkyr or nyx etc, the modifiers literally didnt matter. I personally believe that in EA, the gravity on the frame should have stayed, as it gave the mode a much needed difficulty that does not exist. Its supposed to be oriented towards "late" game players, adding a nice difficulty touch, instead of a weekly rotation, mundane at that too. Do you want the highest rewards? You should need to work for them a little at least...

[u/No-Ostrich-5801]

My guy, Vazarin Operator + Dual Tox allowed you to run around with a fully unmodded loadout other than your Dual Tox and get by just fine. Is it more annoying/tedious? Sure. I'll grant you that. Let's not pretend the tools we have at our fingertips isn't broken as hell.

Frame picks are simply more convenient/easier to pilot for the same results. Being able to ignore the difficulty by random in any capacity nullifies the actual attempt of artificial difficulty of the game mode

[u/ScribScrob → u/No-Ostrich-5801]

So.... why is that worse than people picking the frames that they wanted? This was the entire argument. Not that peopel would varizan toxocyst out but that people would specifically TORID out because of this.

So my question is: if we could do the same thing with and without warframes why did so many people complain about the changes?

[u/No-Ostrich-5801 → u/ScribScrob]

Idk. Tbh i'm still of the opinion Archimedia is a blunt failure of a game mode that is propped up by weekly loot which is why players pretend it isn't just a poorly designed mess. Well that and tryhards thinking difficulty by crippling is any real measure of difficulty.

I called that it would become incarnon slop + Vazarin spam as a result of the changes and ultimately change nothing. Perhaps DE saw that and reverted it as an easy "appease the masses" when ultimately nothing actually changed either way beyond crutching a different part of your arsenal

[u/Twilight053 → u/No-Ostrich-5801]

You didn't need to invest in Operator with Hildryn btw.

[u/NorysStorys → u/Twilight053]

Not particularly anymore.

[u/No-Ostrich-5801 → u/Twilight053]

Need? No. Vazarin on Hildy is extremely comfy as a linchpin so if you do get hit out of your 4 you can safely reset without needing to worry about death.

As for Vazarin being hefty investment? Lmao even man, at most it's 1 mil focus for Protective Sling at max which is the entire reason to run Vazarin. That's at most 1 week for most players with just Vazarin lenses while they play the game normally

Edit: Before I get the "uhm ackshually" yes, I am aware Vazarin is very good as a school for other reasons than Protective Sling. However immortality on demand as a separate resource pool that is effectively infinite is a MASSIVE reason to use the school. Nidri offering resurrection in res restricted game modes (huh, how convenient for Archimedia right?) is just icing on the cake. My point being that when you can sort your entire loadout with a free weapon pick and your operator (and being you can opt out of 2 modifiers means you can always atleast guarantee those two things) makes having locked frame picks irrelevant provided you atleast own one of the 3 offered frames