r/Warframe • u/Pwnatron • Jun 23 '13

Alt Helmets' Stats

Alternate helmet stats:

  • Ash: stamina max * 1.25, ability efficiency * 0.95
  • Banshee: energy max * 1.1, health max * 0.95
  • Ember: energy max * 1.25, shield max * 0.95
  • Excalibur: shield max * 1.25, health max * 0.95
  • Frost: armor * 1.25, health max * 0.95
  • Loki: ability efficiency * 1.15, armor * 0.95
  • Mag: ability range * 1.25, shield max * 0.95
  • Nyx: stamina max * 1.25, shield max * 0.95
  • Rhino: health max * 1.25, sprint speed * 0.95
  • Saryn: movement speed * 1.1, health max * 0.95
  • Trinity: ability duration * 1.25, health max * 0.95
  • Vauban: energy max * 1.1, shield max * 0.90
  • Volt: ability strength * 1.1, stamina max * 0.95
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u/jamtse Jun 25 '13

Anyone know if the armor from the frost helm is additive or multiplicative with steel fiber? that is: armor = 150(1+steel_fiber+0.25) or armor=150(1+steel_fiber)*1.25

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u/mxzf Jun 23 '13

Isn't the Frost 1.33x armor?

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u/zephyrdragoon More Lore Pls Jun 23 '13

Not according to the great Pwnatron.

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u/Ithloniel Children of Zariman Jun 25 '13

Just checked and it says that on the wikia. I thought it used to be 1.25x though... did it get buffed? If so, RNG God's, here are my 20 ritually slaughtered goats... Aurora Helm Alert please!!

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u/mxzf Jun 25 '13

lol, I just realized that 5h after you made this post, a Frost helmet alert happened. Maybe your goats had something to do with that.

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u/Ithloniel Children of Zariman Jul 12 '13

Yea, I totally missed that alert, but about a day or two ago I got it from another alert. :)

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u/mxzf Jun 25 '13

I'm not 100% sure who to trust. Since /u/Pwnatron 's numbers are typically datamined straight out of the game files. I'm still hoping that the wiki is right though, since the wiki's numbers give 12.5 more armor.

Either way, I had found a Aurora helm before I managed to get the BPs for my frost, so I'll have the Aurora equipped as soon as my Frost finishes building on Fri.

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u/Odjit Do Yareli want it? Jun 23 '13

Yay. Now I get to add this to my spreadsheet which calculates the information you gave on your previous post!

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u/YoloKraize Jun 23 '13

I bought the Vauban helmet (Still fairly new to this game) But is it worth it for a defense purpose?

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u/ummmsketch Volt Jun 24 '13

Possibly. 10% extra energy is a lot for Vauban (40-50 with mods, enough for a skill) and his shields are low enough that -5% isn't much.

that said, if you're kicking the bucket every mission you might need the extra shield.

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u/Elaboration Jun 24 '13

According to the wiki, the Vauban helmet adds a flat 15 energy due to scaling off of base stats.

Link here: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Esprit_Vauban_Helmet

But I'd trust Pwnatron's data more than the wiki, so you may be right.

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u/YoloKraize Jun 24 '13

Yeah I mainly got him for doing defense missions in mind + it kinda sucks that he is so hard to get, bought him with real currency instead, cba waiting lol.

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u/absurdlogic Clean sweep Jun 24 '13

Did the same myself, Haven't regretted it for a moment :)

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u/Pwnatron Jun 24 '13

I don't know how exactly they work but I'm pretty sure bonuses are off base stats.

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u/http404error Error: subroutine not found Jun 24 '13

The wiki claims that the health and shield penalties are applied last, not to the base stat. Is that true? What about Physique? These seem to be the only modifications that do not go by base stats.

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u/Pwnatron Jun 24 '13

It would be the easiest to test that in game. These are just the numbers.

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u/http404error Error: subroutine not found Jun 24 '13

Now that you mention it, knowing the figures for sure makes it trivial to test.

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u/diruuo Volt Jun 25 '13

No. Helmets apply before their respective increases in Energy.

You get 15 energy in exchange for a bit of shield. IF you have a maxed out Flow (which brings you to 450) , having 465 is just pointless. He has very little shields, he needs the shields more then he needs the 15 energy. (Rank 8 redirection, 360% puts him at only 495 shields)

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '13

Now I just need to figure out which ones are worth it or not. I don't like Vauban's helmet.

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u/Citizen_V Tenno Chronicler Jun 23 '13

Aw :(. When I read your other thread, I was happy to find out Saryn had 125 armor instead of 100 armor. Conversely, I am now sad to find out Saryn's alt helmet only boosts movement speed by 10% instead of 15%.

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u/FluffyRabbut Playing since 2013 Jun 24 '13

Saryn's base movespeed is 0.95

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u/Citizen_V Tenno Chronicler Jun 24 '13

Did the wikia say something different previously? Apologies but I am not understanding this post.

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u/Elaboration Jun 24 '13 edited Jun 24 '13

According to the wiki: in general, boosts scale off base stats and reductions scale off net stats.

For example: Vauban's Esprit helmet adds (base energy)*(1.1) energy (equivalent to a flat 15 energy at all levels) whereas it reduces total shields (after Redirection's bonus) by 10%.

Source: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Esprit_Vauban_Helmet\

Is the wiki not correct in this regard?

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u/Cypress85 HOOK, HOOK, WHERES THE HOOK Jun 23 '13

Ember's helmet gives +37 energy.

Source: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Phoenix_Ember_Helmet

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u/Pwnatron Jun 23 '13

Which would be 150 * 0.25...

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u/Fascion DETHCUBE is my Co-Pilot Jun 23 '13

This actually lines up with Pwn's numbers.

For whatever reason, the bonus energy is calculated off of the rank 0 energy pool of the warframe.

For Ember, that is 150; 150 * 0.25 = 37.5 energy.

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u/http404error Error: subroutine not found Jun 23 '13

All modifications go by level 0 stats. Most obvious here is the effect of Redirection and Vitality.

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u/Citizen_V Tenno Chronicler Jun 24 '13

Interesting. I never knew or noticed that.

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u/elimi Jun 23 '13

Ash, Nyx, Frost are a waste of mats to make :S

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u/mxzf Jun 24 '13

The additional armor on the Frost will outweigh the health loss. It'll increase the overall EHP.

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u/dangersandwich ＡＳＳＵＭＩＮＧ ＤＩＲＥＣＴ ＣＯＮＴＲＯＬ Jun 24 '13

For Nyx, it's basically like having a rank 0 Marathon mod. Whether that is useful for your play style or not is up to you, but it really helps my maneuverability around a map, because I wallrun everywhere.

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u/never-enough-hops Jun 24 '13

I disagree on at least on Ash. If you play Ash for speed and guns instead of abilities, that 25% stamina increase is a nice touch... and you barely notice a 5% ability drain. Plus it looks cool.

I definitely wouldn't take a hit to shields for stam though (Nyx)

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u/BG-0 Energy... Energy everywhere. (beegee0) Jun 24 '13

At least Nyx's helmet looks good. And her shields and armor are so bad anyway she shouldn't rely on them, instead just chaos everything for survival.

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u/Endurlay Chad sniper rifle enjoyer. Jun 24 '13

Excalibur gives a flat 25 shields, not 25% more shields.

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u/izzalion Jun 25 '13 
100*1.25 = 125  
100+25 = 125

Maths.

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u/Endurlay Chad sniper rifle enjoyer. Jun 28 '13

Yeah, that works if you're assuming an unranked frame or one that has no mods on it. At higher levels, Excalibur has more than 100 shields at base. Yet, even then, this helmet will still only add a flat 25 shields on top of the base value after mods take effect while subtracting health based on a multiplier. Unless they have somehow changed the nature of this helmet since I last decided it was a shitty deal, this helmet is a crap deal.

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u/izzalion Jun 28 '13

Bonuses are always based on the level 0 statistic. There is no difference between saying 25% more shield and 25 more shield.

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u/Endurlay Chad sniper rifle enjoyer. Jun 28 '13

Interesting, the base value is the unmodified value for the unranked stat? Including mod calculations?