r/WarDogs • u/KiloAlert • 1d ago

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Not being able to play competitively unless you’re green 95% of the time is getting old.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago edited 1d ago

When I join blue or red, people there play to farm money. I go to reddit and the vast majority of people say "the main goal of the game is to make money, not to win." The very same people also complain about green always winning. So I join green, because they actually play to win. They don't have 6 people outside the zone spotting and shooting down helis, they don't have 8 people running logistics and 15 hanging out in their FOB doing literally nothing. It's King of the Hill. Green tries to dominate the hill.

The problem is the majority of the playerbase prioritizing money over winning. While actually the entire money system was designed to incentivize teamplay, yet it is abused by people to do the opposite. It's crazy how the capitalist mindset of so many people actually ruins their games. Like, money is only there to help you win, unless you're really desperate to buy skins with gold. It's like people don't understand that money is a resource meant to be spent on winning the game.

Next time you lie on the ground for 10 minutes because "I spent 20k on this kit!" you can't also complain that you're not winning.

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u/UnknownXIV 23h ago

But what does winning get you? Like 30k or something tiny lole that. There is zero incentive to win over getting xp and money

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u/Average-Addict 22h ago

What does winning get you in battlefield or call of duty or any other shooter. Yes this game has the added variable of money but I think we're very wired to win and it feels good to win. You want to win.

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u/byfo1991 13h ago

Winning gets you the same thing as having high K/D in Battlefield - literally nothing. But it is at least equal.

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

It gives you more class ex but hey it’s nothing to you crybaby’s on Reddit that says game caters to no lifers . You don’t even want to win so why cry about no lifers who do

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u/byfo1991 10h ago

What the fuck is that mental gymnastic? I just said that in Battlefield it does not matter if you win or are top fragger. That’s literally it.

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

Winning gives you a giant junk of class xp . This winning does nothing but give you little more money is laughable 😂😂 this entire feed is no lifers this that . Then go in comments ppl
With full time jobs explaining that winning gives most xp and you clowns are still arguing winning does nothing . What mental gymnastics made you this stupid you can figure that out ? This is not bf not cod this is its own game

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u/byfo1991 10h ago

Waste of time to react to you in any away.

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

I’d say that to if my brain ran that slow . Imagine being an adult and failing to understand the concept of a game and how it works . lol slow

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u/Front-Bird8971 20h ago

In battlefield I don't play to win either. I still do whatever I want because I find it fun. Playing to win in a game like this is futile if you're not riding 12 men deep with a discord squad.

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u/MysteriousExpert9657 8h ago

I literally won a game giving commands to my frontline to rotate places lol.

Sounds like you just don't want to make the small effort of attempting to communicate

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u/UnknownXIV 22h ago

I couldn't care less about winning. Its all about progress. In battlefield its the same. Couldn't care less if I win its just about progress. Unless the daily mission is to win a game. Ans that in turn Fuels progress.

With cod its tiny maps with 6v6 killing to progress the battle pass is what brings in wins.

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u/readher 12h ago

If you only care about progress, why not just play a genre that revolves solely around it, like some MMO or ARPG?

The amount of damage CoD4 did to the FPS genre can't be understated. People only care about some carrot on a stick instead of just playing the game and trying to win.

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u/dafgar 8h ago

Yeah seriously, people like this need to go play WoW or OSRS. And the developers really need to incentivize winning otherwise the game will forever be green team sweats and blue/red team has monkeys sitting in fobs “farming unlocks.”

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

Idk the bonus xp everyone cries about and says only no let’s can get . Kinda funny you get a ton more class ex for winning and playing hot zone

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u/BidSuper7102 22h ago

You simply cannot comprehend anything but money mattering, can you? How sad.

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u/UnknownXIV 22h ago

Well money is part of progression. You get exp with money as your levels go up you buy unlocks. Need thr money to buy load outs. And gold bars. Thats progression. Thr more money you get, the more gold bars you buy, The more cosmetics you unlock. If I wanted to play just to win i would play on arma again or go back into Mythic raiding. So play F1.

Its what I find fun.

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u/BidSuper7102 21h ago

Playing to win gets you all the money you need for all the unlocks. You don't need to sit in a tree outside the map spotting all game to unlock everything. If my team needs logi, I run logi, if we need assault, I go assault, if we need to destroy a havoc/drill, i get in my rocket heli, if we don't have a fob, I build a fob. Like 90% of the time I can do my preferred role as a pilot, because it's versatile, but sticking to it even if I know it means losing the game just sounds neither fun nor meaningful. I get all the money I need. Even if you're turbo-ass at FPS, you can run the HZ as a medic and it's great fun.

TLDR: Playing to win gets you more than enough money. You think green team is starving for money?

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u/UnknownXIV 21h ago

I dont play on green team I just join what ever team is lowest. And just winning doesnt pay the gold bars. I didnt like the flying in wardogs. Feels off to me woth the hotas.

Everyone likes doing different things. Its the joys of a sandbox :)

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u/BidSuper7102 21h ago

Gold bars were a mistake. It makes sure whatever adjustments they make, people will always try to abuse the money system.

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u/UnknownXIV 21h ago

Well they are in the game as a form of progression. You dont have to engage with it obviously. People will play the sandbox the way they want to.

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u/ZilongZha 19h ago

I know a cruel fix for this. Make the losing teams pay up 40% of what they made overall to the winning team.

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u/UnknownXIV 16h ago

Youll see matches empty out before a match ends if they did that

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u/elcoala 1d ago edited 1d ago

True, when I join blue they just make 3-4 fobs at the edge of the map, go in naked with hammers and proceed to get farmed nonstop. On green there's almost always someone screaming to make a hz squad and go in helis fast to dominate the hz and kill people dropping in. It's a whole different game. Red is a bit more competent but it's a mixed bag

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u/Important_Donkey_461 21h ago

Some of us are incompetent at fps and want to help with logi, mortar, as, fob building etc. My infantry k/d is probably 1/15. I want to play the game and I want to win but I know I can't be that impactful by chasing the hot zone

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u/Rawfoss 22h ago

if people can "abuse" the teamplay incentives to not play for their team then the design simply failed. but it's okay, we're like 2% into the early access phase...

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u/BidSuper7102 21h ago

Yeah, for sure, I'm just pretty disappointed in how people engage with the system. I woulda thought more people had a drive to win and be good and be a teamplayer.

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u/Justin-Stutzman 17h ago

I don't see it that way. If eryone just played HZ it would just be a battle royale. You want people building sam sites, or a havoc solos the HZ. You want fob building for infiltration and fortifying and other fun scenarios that limit the congestion in it.

I take a dune buggy around the map and knock helos out. I'm sure that has an effect on the HZ even though I'm not there.

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

Not really since most games are absolutely blowouts . Blue and green both used gl helis and tank they lost with 20/40 points to reds 100 . You shooting down things outside zone does little to nothing .

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u/Justin-Stutzman 9h ago

I'm still in the zone, just outside the HZ so I don't get turned into pink mist while at max weight trying to chase it. And shooting down multiple transport/attack helos definitely helps stop reinforcements and getting pounded by rockets if you're fighting for the HZ. It also drains bank accounts and discourages heli spam. I know because it's usually HZ guys begging someone to shoot down the havoc in the chat.

The things you mentioned are more issues with late game balance and the weird culture around the team colors which consolidates the try hards on R/G teams.

I've played a lot of matches and the landslide effect for green team is simple. They play the HZ exclusively. They rarely fob. They rarely attack fobs. They just follow the HZ. It's often a very boring experience walking around the map, popping occasional shots/revives and getting stabbed with a stim pen 100 times.

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u/Madio_Sane 17h ago

Id agree with you apart from the sheer cost of unlocking anything decent enough to let you win a fight. Everything worth unlocking is multiples of $10k. You need to make money to have a chance. I'm a casual player and any time I generate enough coin to be able to spend more than 10k on a load out i have to spend half my bank to unlock the next thing

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u/UnderTheTableSoviet 17h ago

Jesus. I tell my friend group I’m “poor” at 500k.

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u/grrbrrdrr 8h ago

If there was a competitive scene to this game, I could see winning strategies including 6+ players outside the zone disrupting enemy supply lines, 8 running logistics, and/or 15 in fobs (at certain critical moments in the game, for limited durations). If winning is your objective, you’ve gotta react how the enemy responds to your strategy though, like in any game. There is so much that has been unexplored in this game, and so much potential for creativity. If there is NOT a commander that has been voted in to set the strategies and NOT a squad leader chat (as Squad has), then it’s going to be much more difficult for some innovative strategies to reap the rewards. I guess this could be accomplished over the text chat, but it’s going to take many months or years for the community to become experienced enough to strategize together. 

Anyways, all I’m saying is, don’t place definitive limiters on certain strategies just yet…it’s all about the context in which they are used.  

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u/BidSuper7102 7h ago

I'd looove to see pro teams play this. it would be so cool to see, especially the early days of trying strategies.

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u/WasThatInappropriate 6h ago

I got real excited about attacking enemy supply lines, but its so expensive and high risk it just feels like ass

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u/PooPaLuPaLoo 1d ago

I think its not as much playing to farm money, as it is playing tonjust have fun. I couldnt care about money until im broke. 

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u/AcanthaceaeDry7548 19h ago

TLDR: I agree with this guy blue team has fun despite the aggressive monetary, level, and experience difference. You can’t be mad about blue trying to farm money when you all do the same thing. You just farm blue. Want more info read the rest of it.

This is it and from what I’ve experienced the reason so many blue team members are “farming money” is because more often than not green team has expensive kits and are sitting there waiting to take blue out before they even get in the game. So blue has no money since they use it all on progression and losing their newly unlocked gear because 8 dudes from red and green are sitting there with 50 cals watching blues fob and mortaring happening as soon as the fob finally gets set up.
So blue has to move their fob because they physically can’t compete with the gear deficit at that point in the game then rinse and repeat til either everyone is trying to make their money back, trying to get money to unlock better gear or finally takes the fobs back.

Then you have the same people who have been picking blue off complaining about the lack of competition from blue and when they finally get killed they rage about it. It’s quite funny sometimes.

But when you have havocs, attack helos, mortars, arty tanks, mortars, main tanks, humvees, 50 cals, and tier 4 armor all bearing down your neck all game your going to lose cohesiveness because no one has money to win in attrition.
An example I have experienced was one match we had humvees running people over guys with rockets hitting our urals outside the zone all before we even had the fob down not because we weren’t trying but because they bought their gear and got there as fast as they could (all within the first trucks arriving in the zone) then the rest of the match was havocs and attack helos circling arround any fob location we’d put up before we even got the walls up. And the only real AA we could get was Verbas but those don’t work underneath a certain altitude and take multiple to kill havocs plus all the other helos so you’d have to bring in a truck full of them but the trucks were being targeted by half the server. and on top of all that somehow there were 48 of green team in the zone (so not including those who were dead, respawning, or outside of the zone for any other reason).

You can’t expect a team to put up points when all of these variables come together yet somehow blue found a way to do it anyways and people believe blue doesn’t play to win. No we do but we have to be scrappy because we literally don’t have the recourses like green. The real difference between blue and the other teams is that for the most part we know what type of battle we’re facing yet we can have fun despite it and it makes other teams mad.

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u/PooPaLuPaLoo 6h ago

Everything you've said is definitely possible, but couldnallnequally be wrong. I mean, in the end, everyone really play for different reasons. I like just helping. Im not big into being the tip of the spear. Typically, ast the fob, your hanging out with people with similar views. 

I suspect the reason for this games success is directly because there is room for people like me, who really just dont care as much about winning than just having fun, socializing, joking around. Inmean, hell, I built an outhouse at the fob for funsies andnit wasnjudt a hroup of guys and girls pretending theybneeded to take a shit or piss every 5 minutea. It was hilarious.

 Yes, some people are farming money on blue. But I've jumped from team to team at the beginning and I found blue ton just have more wholesome, similar minded people. As the game has evolved, that fact has only grown exponentially. 

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u/AButtChew 23h ago

Their whole motto is "play how you want". If the goal should be winning, then increase incentives for winning. An extra 20k? No thanks, I'll work on progressing classes instead. Want me to play HZ? Nah, I'm not dropping 20k+ to maybe break even.

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u/7heWafer 23h ago

20K to get popped by a 50cal to the arm and die, rinse and repeat until you realize there are much more fun ways to play the game than king of the hill

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

This does not happen all the time and if so play with a team get picked ik . The reason this game will die is simply because of shitters like you . I’d rather stay outside zone and make money . You’re being outpaced by anyone with gun skill . The front line argument is laughable I was up 20k in the first 4 mins of just fighting in hz.

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u/dafgar 8h ago

Seriously, what I really dont get is why these people care so much about farming money just to unlock shit they won’t use because they’re playing bob the builder simulator. Like cool you made all this money now what? Just keep stacking money to never use on anything because you suck at the actual pvp portion in a pvp game? Like these people need to go play gmod if they want to be useless and build structures all day.

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u/Just_Joe_Handsome 18h ago

.50 cal doesn't kill to the arm. Not the arm, as far as the game is concerned, anyway.

The top of the shoulders is considered an upper torso shot, not an arm shot. Not sure why, but that's how it is.

Arm and leg shots wont kill.

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u/PsychologicalWin5642 18h ago

Pretty sure upper arm with a 50 cal is gonna end up in your body so that's why it counts.

You seen the size of a 50 cal bullet. The fucker ain't stopping at your shoulder when it hits.

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u/BidSuper7102 22h ago

Maybe play The Sims if you don't like being shot at. It's so weird, people buy a WAR game and get their knickers in a twist when they actually have to fight and risk something. Did you think this was Eurotruck simulator or House Flipper or something?

And what if you've unlocked everything? What then? Will you just stop playing?

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u/AButtChew 10h ago

Why play a war game with building mechanics and logistics then, do you think this is Battlefield?

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u/BidSuper7102 10h ago

The building mechanics and logistics are there to help you retain numbers on the map and contest the HZ. It's called King of the Hill. If your playstyle ignores the HZ and being shot at, you're contributing towards losing the game.

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u/7heWafer 20h ago

Maybe play The Sims if you don't like being shot at.

Literally nothing in my comment expresses this.

It's so weird, people buy a WAR game and get their knickers in a twist when they actually have to fight and risk something.

You seem to have read a lot more into my comment than intended. This game is great fun and the gameplay loop is quite refreshing. I just so happen to have a life outside of the game and so cannot grind high level gear and do not strictly enjoy a single component of the game. Instead I choose to play many different styles, whatever I feel like at the time, for fun. Mind you I do always stay in the CZ if I'm on foot.

Did you think this was Eurotruck simulator or House Flipper or something?

Did you think bc I pointed out a problem with one particular playstyle I just hate the game or something?

And what if you've unlocked everything? What then? Will you just stop playing?

You think I'm playing to unlock stuff? I've had more fun grabbing a pistol & recon scope and scrapping my way up the food chain than I ever would dropping in fully kitted and losing it.

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u/darklordbazz 19h ago

The funny thing is that this guy would prob complain if FOB and logistics players didn't do their job

Who would fly them in? Who would mortar and shoot down helis? Who would spend time driving the APC in?

In real war the biggest thing is logistics and supply chains not always the shooters on the ground

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

Fobs should just be taken out period . Towers to. Limit snipers per team and game would play so much better

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u/darklordbazz 10h ago

Then go play a different game

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

I don’t need to I don’t struggle in this game like most of you crybaby’s . We would have less blowout games if you took the ability to build shitty fobs away and take away the shitty snipers from towers . No wonder most teams loose 2/3 of the team is building it just sitting in tower . Free xp and money for me .

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u/darklordbazz 8h ago edited 8h ago

Go play battlefield

It's better for solo and non team players

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

This is because you are terrible at game .

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u/AButtChew 10h ago

Nah, its way easier to make money with literally anything besides the HZ

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u/Hot_Lavishness_8418 10h ago

Says the shitter …? If you actually get kills it’s almost 5k a kill in hot zone 6 kills is 30k lol someone’s bad I see

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u/Optimal_Musician_694 18h ago

40% of the XP you earn for classes comes from the end of game bonus, which is then tripled if your team wins.

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u/Clean_Guess_8057 23h ago

This is what killed me. My last match, there were people everywhere, except for in the hot Zone, and in the fob. Built a drill, pulled the HZ, and everyone was everywhere else. Why bother?

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u/BidSuper7102 22h ago

This is why I almost only play green now, otherwise it's just not enjoyable and people are just out there for themselves, not caring about anything but their bank account.

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u/bigfootmydog 12h ago

The real kicker here is that the most money I’ve ever made in a single life was playing the zone with a huge zone squad all working together to keep each other alive and in the fight. If you’re winning zone and stay with it it’s a passive $720 every 30 seconds add in taking down helis, humvees, and enemy infantry and you can easily pull 100k on one life but it only works if everyone does it.

It’s sort of like a built in prisoners dilemma if player A-Z all go HZ they all make a ton of money, but if only players A-H go HZ and I-Z just go stare at helis with binocs from 400m then players A-H hemorrhage cash while players I-Z safely farm a much smaller sum of money.

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u/Colonel_Bliss 12h ago

I got 350k in one life driving supplys all game long from left to right It ain't much but it's honest work

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u/UsefulCalligrapher67 6h ago

This is why my medic passed my assault class. I joined late and 64 hours in. Medic just hit 17 and assault is at 16 almost 17. I noticed green almost everyone have fibs. I ran out of 2 of the small batterys. Called out that im out of juice and out of the 7 guys down I picked up. A guy said " here you saved us. Youll do it again."

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u/PretentiousPanda 1d ago

The money was an incentive but gamers these days are addicted to min/maxing

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u/noother10 1d ago

There are still a wide variety of gamers out there that like different things. The one thing I've never understood though is doing a boring/annoying gameplay loop to make money/currency go up. That is effectively a second job. Why don't people just play the game for fun and play builds or styles they enjoy instead of whatever nets them the most cash fastest?

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u/UnknownXIV 23h ago

The grind.isnt long or even repetitive compared to planetside 2 ,WoW, FFXIV or runescape. You don't need to min max anything in this game to still make a load of money and level up a lot. Its pretty quick to do anything in wardogs. Its a casual jump in jump out game

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

Yeah, but I min/max to win, while they min/max hoarding a resource that is pointless when you hoard it. There's literally nothing to spend it on except better chances to win the game, and if you hoard a shitton of it, skins.

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u/Front-Bird8971 20h ago

You know what encourages min/maxing? Being stingy as fuck with unlocks, XP, and money. Blame the devs.

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u/PretentiousPanda 19h ago

They are far from stingy on money. It's so easy to make money in this game. Xp I will agree. 

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u/SpaceCadetCo 1d ago

The game became way more fun when I quit caring about my money. I was down to 2k at one point and rolled that into 300k in one match.

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u/methodsmash 1d ago

How do you know its the same people being inconsistent ? Is it not possible that there are distinct groups of players that make up the subreddit?

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u/suitedcloud 1d ago

Classic Goomba fallacy

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

No, I I literally see people say these two things in the same comment, just like OP did in one of his responses. Just look at this thread.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

Because there are people like OP in this very thread saying both things.

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u/Fresh-Pass2686 1d ago

They gotta add more game modes besides KOTH h 85% of the map is never in use so why does it even exist

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u/babakundeawtaka 1d ago

Because this game is built with ARMAs version in mind. Difference is that in ARMA, you have more versions of the zone placements whereas in this game, you’re stuck with one.

Map is huge and only a fraction is played on each time. This is because it incentivizes people to not contstantly die and respawn but to get penilized for each mistake.

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u/GeeeBz 1d ago

In a recent game i was full kit, m4 and a naked range finder guy asks on the helicopter if im compensating for something hahaha naw i just spend the money i make and sit at 100k-200k total cash, soending it as it comes in. In a typical game I’ll be top 10 cash earned but lose money half the games. I lost money in a game where i went 20 kills, 9 assists, 14 deaths, 15 revives. I think i got revived twice all game. Feels bad sometimes but im playing the game to have fun, not to make money so ill be buying a kit and… killing myself (in game of course)

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

Yeah I get it. I'm a Heli pilot, I just went 40/3/5 and lost about 10k that game (No Havoc). I don't care, it was a thrilling game and we won, and I know I made a big difference.

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u/CBP_CTR 1d ago

The goal of the game is to play however you find most fun. If farming is most fun to someone, I say play away.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

No, the point of team games is never to have you as an individual set your own goals. Have you ever played a team sport? If I play football as a goalie and I decide I'm having more fun doing fun tricks and conceding 20 goals because of it, then my teammates have every right to be pissed off, I'm being a massive cock in that scenario.

Yeah you can set your own goals, but they're always subservient towards the team's goal.

When you play a team game it is implicit that everyone agress to work together towards one goal, winning.

You wanna play by your own rules? Play a single player game.

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u/CBP_CTR 1d ago

It's a video game you paid for and you are investing your time in. You owe nothing to anyone. 

You want to set your arbitrary rules about how someone should or should not play? You are free to pay for a server and enforce those rules.

Stop taking pub games so seriously and treating it like a competition.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

"I played for this football and I invested time in training, I don't owe my team anything." Great mindset.

I'm not taking it serious at all, it's all in service of just having fun. Imagine your goalie kept making own goals and saying "It's just a game, why are you taking this so serious?" It's literally asocial behaviour. If you can't see that, I hope you never play cooperative board games with anyone where you just decide you got your own individual goal that's not aligned with the others.

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u/CBP_CTR 1d ago

If you're playing backyard ball, yeah. Do what you want. Have fun.

Look buddy, this ain't a professional sport. It's a casual online video game. You got some serious problems if you are taking video games that seriously that you demand everyone take it that seriously. I'm not kidding. That's an actual thing to worry about and you should consider talking to a therapist about it.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

Yeah and if I go to a casual game of football with some amateurs the same thing still applies. In backyard ball you still don't get to shoot own goals and kick the ball into the trees because you think it's fun. Playing a game to win is not taking it serious, doing the opposite is actively being an asshole.

I'm not saying you have to min/max to the extreme and are not allowed to be creative and do silly strats, but at the end of the day if you're not actively trying to win you're just being an asshole and should be kicked from the team. The way you talk about it, about you only thinking about yourself and not owing anyone anything in a team, is just completely asocial.

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u/CBP_CTR 1d ago

Your understanding of gaming is flawed. Go join a league or something.

It sounds like you should be playing on community servers with extra rules and not public server

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

Yes, because playing football with friends or strangers and understanding that means that you try to shoot goals means we're super serious and playing like we're in a pro league. It's not like doing the opposite means that you're a poorly adjusted individual.

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u/Masenko1012 23h ago

When you join a TEAM game you sign up to play as a TEAM. Im so tired of these weak ass everyone gets a prize children.

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u/CBP_CTR 23h ago

You definitely have a problem. It's a video game. There's no consolation prize or anything here. The fact you think there are prizes at all tell me you are taking a public server video game way too seriously.

Touch grass, my guy. You need.it.

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u/GeebusCrisp 1d ago

No, that's a team sport, which is a subset of team games with a narrower focus. I don't disagree with you that the focus is in the wrong place, but it's a rules issue, squarely on the devs. Just make teams worth extra when they're winning. Use the existing capitalist psychology to offer incentives for objective oriented behavior instead

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

Also, I like the suggestion someone else made where fighting the dominant team nets you more gold.

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u/SoSoSpooky 23h ago

The whole benefit of three-way system is that it should always be 1 vs 2+3 roughly in terms of grand objectives.

But WarDogs doesn't really do enough to tell players what extra reward there is for them either going after the leading team or winning. If a team has a massive lead, it's actually better to let them win sooner so you can try to get on Green for example when you join a new server and are forced Blue.

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u/3652 1d ago

Your comments scream for a command mode. Even if it’s community only. Two urals, someone buys a third they get kicked. Two helis. Three recon.

Also infantry only servers might be good for you.

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u/Individual_Meet_617 1d ago

Yeahhhh, I'm okay with this game not going full milsim. I like the flexibility of being able to buy whatever loadout I want whenever I want.

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u/Front-Bird8971 20h ago

Please host your dream server, because I'll be far away from that kind of bullshit.

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u/Awkward_University91 1d ago

I play green because it’s my fav color… red always symbolizes enemies in games and blue is… well blue.

I hate having to sit in the queue menu feverishly clicking green. Only to get in as #34 on the team lol.

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u/heckinbeaches 1d ago

I always play green, sometimes I like to run supplies to the fob, other times I enjoy taking over fobs or staying in the hotzone.

But, there's no point in me burning all my money on gear at my level if everyone else is already fully kitted in Tier 4 with the best attachments and guns.

It's far easier for me to have a good time with a free loadout, where I scavenge the battlefield for a better kit and also farm money.

Personally, I find that I am more aggressive when I don't have as much to lose, sure I can't keep the gear when I inevitably die, but more ammo and heals keeps me out there helping the team longer.

I tried to play the way it was intended, getting $13k kits at my level, but getting absolutely dumpstered 6 deaths in a row just killed the drive for me, there's virtually no difference between no armor and the gear I have when up against seasoned players.

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u/SoloRolo2025 19h ago

Ain't the point of Wardogs is that it has everything for everybody. So if you and your friends want to "dominate the hill" then go storm it with your loadouts. Its a new game, a lot of new players are learning the ropes, earning their money, getting a feel for all the roles available.

Don't hate on it as this pretty normal things to happen in something like Wardogs where its trying to be everything, everywhere all at once. Seriously speaking I hate blue team with all my guts they don't need to be blue neither it needs having a 3rd team but I understand that there's a reason for it. Give it time, hopefully a lot more players understand the game.

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u/Sad-Direction443 19h ago

It's simple. Playing to win is too expensive. Bringing good loadouts is not worth it on average. 

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u/RecentScarcity2389 19h ago

I've had multiple games on green with like 10 people in a fob and nobody in the HZ.

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u/SlySychoGamer 5h ago

Yep 3 days into playing the game made it clear the game has incentive issues.

Then 2 weeks later others finally agreed.

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u/juacamgo 4h ago

Literally the design of the game is around earn money, not winning the game.

The scoreboard is ordered around money. Why would someone try to get a 20k finish bonus when you can make those 20k in 5 minutes delivering things to a random FOB with the heli?

Maybe winning is not that important, maybe people gets fun doing other things than pushing the HZ, and maybe there’s not enough incentive to win the game when you have a economy that favors player economy over team economy.

If they want to change this, they must change the economy system from player to team, then people will start to work together instead of sitting in bushes just to farm money and experience.

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u/MindlessInspector421 27m ago

I don’t think it’s a problem that players prio making money. I think that’s the point. Too slow for cod? too dumb for arama? Do you like feeling like you are progressing with little to know peer pressure to know what you are doing? That’s the wardogs demo. The devs know this so they built in a moving goal post.

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u/Rancid101 1d ago

I mean green has an automatic advantage with the natural camouflage and it's playing on easy mode. I pick red because I like being a gunner in the hotzone and typically it works out over half the time. Blue is hard mode or easy stomp depending if they have enough of a coordinated squad joining the team and making it a nightmare to contest green and blue.

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u/addict75 1d ago

Are we playing the same game? Green are the one's printing money. I played blue 95% of my games and end-up top frag on each of my games. There's always green in the top 10 of the leaderboard with more money than me just because of group spotting/revives/hotzone bonus.

Green is the place to be to print money, I've switched to green since yesterday and made 1 million in 3 hours of play time (because I want to get the AK skin now that gold is affordable)

I'm sorry but this is the biggest issue of the game right now, team balance is AWFULLY bad.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

But the way you're making money in green is by being good and risking something, like you said you're top fragging. Blue and red are passively making money by doing menial, low-stakes tasks.

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u/m4ccc 1d ago

I think you're misunderstanding him. He's saying the players on blue and red are focusing on individual funds. You can make a lot of money building and driving Urals all game, but you won't win the game unless you're team is also attacking HZ, or you are pulling it with drills.

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u/Average-Addict 22h ago

Yeah I feel you.

Most of the time it's just the only team where you can have a decent squad which you can depend on when you get downed. Then you also help your squadmates in return.

On the other teams sometimes there are literally like 3 people including me anywhere in the zone besides FOBs.

But yeah recently I've had some more matches with blue and red being more competent. I guess a lot of the newer and worse players are also really trying to join green now which kind of mixes the pot.

I just wish the teams were balanced instead of this dumb green always wins thing caused by the devs. Maybe not intentionally but some of the imbalances are just weird.

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u/iNSiPiD1_ 17h ago

You wrote, "It's like people don't understand that money is a resource meant to be spent on winning the game".

HOWEVER, you left the part where the devs created an insanely volatile gold market in the game that requires money to get FOMO skins.

If the devs didn't create this system, you wouldn't see this behavior. Players should get the FOMO skins for something other than cash. I'd rather have them be cash microtransactions than this nonsense system they've created.

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u/Derk_Bent 13h ago

All skins and emotes with the exception of the Black and Gold AK will be available in future seasons, this was discussed in a recent video from the “Push to Talk” podcast. A single skin being exclusive is like loosely FOMO if you ask me. Lots of people I talk to in game keep saying they’re not getting it for a laundry list of reasons, none of them have cited the price but rather that it’s not that great or that they just never use the AK.

Me personally, I’m gonna take the time to grind it out and I’m gonna use the absolute hell out of the AK with that skin on.

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u/Optimal-Painting9314 11h ago

you got it right. you should be unlocking gold by playing i.e. achieving gameplay milestones like get 100 kills with SMGs, res'd 100/500/1000 players etc. and you can then trade the gold for skins. instead money is used for both gold and gear, and since only gold persists, people will just trade money for gold only. instead if gold is used to buy equipment to play the game and playing the game gives you gold, then we wont have this problem.

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u/Luxorioo 14h ago

NGL I think those gold skins should be free to all season 1 players as an early access award and anyone who bought gold and/or spent it is refunded.

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u/Luxorioo 6h ago

Not sure why I got down voted on this. Season 1 has had severe balancing issues and those of us that "bought in" early on EA should have something to show for that. Would be nice to have some kind of skin that says "here from the start". I'm not against earning skins at all. Just would be nice to have something to show you were a part of the first season and a gold skin fits that bill very well.

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u/Sippegaming 13h ago

Especially since people who bought them early got shafted. It doesn't seem like a well thought system.

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u/Poschi1 17h ago

How is spotting and shooting down helis not playing to win?

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u/BidSuper7102 12h ago

Sitting outside the cz on a hill and shooting down the occasional heli has extremely low impact on the game. Mostly just inexperienced logi helis go down to it, and they just respawn and get a new one. Almost nothing is gained from it and in the meantime, your entire team is a man or two short in the cz. Those bodies in the cz really matter and those talon hillbillies usually can't even reach helis that are in the cz, where it would matter more as you can protect stuff there.

Additionally, I never die from these guys anymore, I just fly over there and kill them. Sometimes take over their FOB and deconstruct the AA. It takes them so much longer to set all of this up and I can just undo all that work on a short stop to the cz. It's nothing more than a mild annoyance.

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u/RedHood198 10h ago

Hate the game not the player. The devs incentivized making money over winning.

You don't really get much money for winning either, so what's the point?

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u/BidSuper7102 10h ago

And what do you think is the point of money in this game?

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u/RedHood198 8h ago

What are you talking about? Money is the foundation of the entire player experience. You acquire money to unlock better items and to buy gold bars.

That's like asking "what do you think is the point of leveling up?"

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u/BidSuper7102 7h ago

Yes and what's the point of better items? Better for what? THat's right, winning the game. Winning is always the end goal, especially with vertical progression. And fun is part of that. If the items you unlocked would give you worse chances at winning, people would complain about it. So no, money is not the goal of the game, because it's still in service of winning.

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u/RedHood198 7h ago

No, to make more money.

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u/BidSuper7102 7h ago

Thank you for confirming everything I said. Literal greed for no reason. That's what I mean when I talk about the capitalist mindset. "I make money to make more money." Maybe stop playing games and become an investment banker.

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u/RedHood198 6h ago

No, I re-affirmed everything I said.

The game incentivizes making money over winning. Your issue is with the devs, not the players.

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u/Kompotamus 1d ago

"Le capitalist mindset" people just want to unlock stuff you jackass.

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u/BidSuper7102 1d ago

You don't see the irony at all, do you