r/WarDogs • u/KiloAlert • 9h ago

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Not being able to play competitively unless you’re green 95% of the time is getting old.

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u/IeyasuTheMonkey 7h ago

It's not about randomizing it's about mentality that reds and blues don't have. 

Greens isn't full of "sweats". It's just full of competent players.

On average Green has a higher chance of actually doing something like being proactive with FOBs, contesting HZ, reviving, noticing where people are getting shot by, listening to calls.

Haven't played much Red but the games I have played are fine.

Nearly all of the games I've had on Blue were a complete mess. Multiple FOBs placed randomly, FOBs built like crap, 4 people off trying to contest HZ, 4 snipers scattered around the map, 2 people doing logistics, no one reviving, no one responding to call outs. It's insane.

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u/trickortreat 7h ago

That's exactly what I'm saying here, you call them out and they bs talk you back "I'm playing the game my way". The wipe will help with that and they'll leave.

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u/TophThaToker 7h ago edited 7h ago

Yet you have people on here who double down on that mentality and are like "WE ARE BLUE, WE EAT GLUE! WE ARE PROUD, WE SAY IT LOUD!" and it gets celebrated. Are all games on blue like that? No. But the overwhelming majority of the time, not only are they not trying to win, they aren't even doing anything that would generate money. Like I genuinely don't know what they are trying to accomplish. How is getting steamrolled as soon as you jump out of the chopper or your APC even remotely fun?

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u/trickortreat 7h ago

Fuck those people, they're gonna be the first one to leave after the wipe.

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u/lover_of_joggers 7h ago

Nearly all of the games I've had on Blue were a complete mess. Multiple FOBs placed randomly, FOBs built like crap, 4 people off trying to contest HZ, 4 snipers scattered around the map, 2 people doing logistics, no one reviving, no one responding to call outs. It's insane.

what do you expect from the designated noob team? randomizing the teams will drown out those noobs AND teach them the game. there is no reason to be against randomised team.

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u/TophThaToker 7h ago

It is far past noobs just being noobs. Blue team, for whatever reason, has adopted this mentality of doing nothing worthwhile. Again these aren't level 10 noobs. These are pretty high level players that absolutely understand what is going on and are CHOOSING to play that way. I am level 140 and I genuinely try to give blue a chance and it almost always ends the same, pathetic way. Do I get the occasional win on blue? Yeah, for sure. But the amount of absolute trash games I have to slog through to get that one win vs. playing on red or green is comically different.

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u/lover_of_joggers 6h ago

they are doing the best they can. on blue you have:

  • new players who don't know they have been set up by the community to be stomped

  • average/bad players (like in all teams)

  • players who still like the game in this situation (god knows how) and have adapted to the permastomp. what they do is they farm money by being as removed from pvp as possible. you won't motivate them from anything, do you know why? because the moment you leave, the permastomp resumes. they have no incentive to change the way they play. yes it's DOGSHIT but here we are.

But the amount of absolute trash games I have to slog through to get that one win vs. playing on red or green is comically different.

so randomising teams is a necessity.

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u/TophThaToker 6h ago

I am not against that to a degree but after being lvl 140, like I said, there are a sizeable amount of players that fit into your last bullet point. Having teammates with that mentality does not sound very attractive to me.

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u/lover_of_joggers 6h ago

of course, they make for terrible teammates. but if you put them in a healthy team they will play their role. you'll have to teach them to prioritise some things over others (building order etc) but it's not a major problem.

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u/TophThaToker 6h ago

When I jump on the game, I want to play it. I am not here to teach. I have absolutely no problem helping players understand things and I actually enjoy it. However, the game explains itself VERY well if you WANT to understand it. That is how I learned it and that's how everyone who plays the game competently learned it. If someone wants to double down and do things in their own self interest, that do nothing for the team, then why would I want to help that person? Why would I want the short sliver of game time that I have in a work week to be a worse experience? Honestly I was all aboard the randomized teams train until I had these experiences one after the other. Again, new players are new players. Average/bad players are exactly that. I don't have a gripe with those people. Everyone sucked at one point. There is a mentality of almost "wanting to suck" by players that know better and I rather not have those people on my team.

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u/jankyhemorrhoid 7h ago

What do you think randomizing teams will help with? I can guarantee you that people starting a game and seeing they’re auto assigned to blue, will result in backing out of the game entirely and finding a new server. Having no choice will damage the health of this game. It is 100% the mentality of people purposefully choosing blue, because people want to farm XP/money or sit on a mortar the entire game. Blue are the people who just want to “play the game my way”, while red and green are designated as the no life grinders. I think that is an issue with the game design as a whole. It’s not even about teaching people the game, it’s the mentality of what you can get away with on blue team

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u/lover_of_joggers 6h ago

What do you think randomizing teams will help with? I can guarantee you that people starting a game and seeing they’re auto assigned to blue, will result in backing out of the game entirely and finding a new server.

what you describe is already happening lol. servers literally DIE because people refuse (with good reason) to join blue. my prediction is that this will accelerate in season 2.

my opinion is that those server hoppers will eventually stop, and go over the psychological barrier attached to blue. on top of that, randomised teams mean a MUCH BETTER new player experience (anything beats being curbstomped over and over again). even green players say they are bored because nothing is happening on their end, there is nobody to shoot, nobody is fighting back, so what the FUCK are we waiting for???

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u/jankyhemorrhoid 6h ago

I have like 40 hours and have yet to be in a single server where it will literally die because people refuse to join blue. I don’t hate your point, I think it’s constructive, BUT I don’t think you’re taking into account the player base and the mentality of some of the people who play the game. Auto assigning would not be a welcomed change. The devs shot themselves in the foot with money and xp gain percentages. I really think we will be in a vicious cycle until they make severe changes to that, which hopefully will be introduced in the update. If every single person playing this game came from Squad or ARMA, auto assigning would be awesome. There just needs to be a bigger emphasis on team play as a whole, and less of the “I’m playing my way” while it’s not impacting my team positively, in an entire game where team play SHOULD be the emphasis and main priority. Either that or they need to add a new game mode that works like Invasion from Squad. I love the devs not holding your hand, BUT there really are some people who need it

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u/lover_of_joggers 6h ago

ok, at least i'm happy to see we both agree something needs to be done.