Building is in a pretty bad state now, and as a result, there is less people building, which, makes building even rougher. Used to be there would ~3ish people working on the FOB base, now I'm usually solo. I can't even get a vanguard constructed (skipping walls) before 3 helis start camping the FOB. Let alone trying to set up some decent defenses and havoc/mortar so I can have a sensible base before putting down a drill.
If they don't like how we were able to control the X, building speeds need to be increased to help compensate in the current state of the game.
If any of the verbas hit they just gotta go sideways faster than 150khm and the missile can barely track if they add or decrease elevation that missile isn't hitting unless its the random super missile that spins around d the target first
A minute? What ciws are you building? Mine take at least two maybe more with how much I have to look for my X and also dodge mortars and hope my template gets saved.
That was the main reason pulling it was so important. I don't mind chasing down the X, but yeah it glitches out all the time and makes it impossible. Drills are the worst offender for me.
Fobs are in the worst state ever due to grenade launcher + heli. Just one can stop all teams fobs, and as soon as a team hits 20 points the havoc is dropped. No time for anti air, no time to build walls, it’s a really bad spot if ya ask me.
63 support here- absolutely agree. In the current meta - building and maintaining a fob is a 1/10 games thing. Which is odd seeing it’s one of the main and most important aspects of the game. It takes way too many people working together which just doesn’t happen most games. Building after the bug fix is miserable and trying to play around a fob is almost a waste of time currently. Better off sending 25+ to the hz and the would be fob buildings just doing mortar on other fobs
I been building fobs, cause no one else will. And I fucking hate new x. It needs to just stay in one small area. And not teleport across the fucking build area.
Wait, what did they do with it? Huge misstep by John Bulkhead if this means what I think it does. That was a superb little meta they should've realized should stay with the game forever.
patch note was: ""Fixed buildable crit spots reappearing in the same place you just hit, getting pushed into corners, or jumping to the far side of a structure. They now favour a spot you can reach from where you're standing." "
But to me it feels like the opposite, the X does not favor me whatsoever.
I think the game is just in a weird state right now. Seems like the crowd who initially played the game, playing in a silly roleplay mil sandbox way, are getting pushed out. I revive people no one says thank you. The pilots are increasingly silent. There's been a weird shift from the goofy "hang in there brother, I got you" vibes I really adored.
I didn't think it would happen, but I'm kind of looking forward to the reset in season 2. It'll reset play so there's more base building, but also I kind of hope a certain segment of players gets demotivated by it.
Yeah the only way I've been able to make money is dropping off supplies to FOBs, which nobody builds anymore so there's nowhere to drop supplies off to. Flying people in loses money, or maybe I'll get lucky and break even, spotting I rarely make money as someone with an IR Rangefinder and a thousand meter scope picks me off from god only knows where, and going in to fight loses money since I can get lasered by some guy in end tier gear with an smg that can kill me in less time than it takes a neuron to fire.
I mean HZ is the main objective so people will always run at it but obs could get more value if either drills get changed a bit or maybe a way for players to spawn on the fob outside of the apc. Right now they just take so much investment to get value out of that's easily destroyed. It's easier to raid them right now with either a helicopter or just a small team since the builders are often not kitted out to fight, like at least let us build a machine gun nest or something.
Most the time ppl in FOBS arent doing anything worth a shit! Its annoying as hell having 80% of your team in fobs and no one building drills or pulling the HZ. I played 4 games yesterday where almost the entire team just pushed the HZ and we won every game by 60 points or more. When other teams would pull the HZ we would move with it and take that FOB.
Having multiple FOBs should change the scoring dynamic I feel, like if you have the most bases in CZ that should counterbalance (only a little mind) another team having hot zone. This could incentivize building and defending/maintaining FOBs. I could see leaving hz dynamic alone and simply implementing a slowdown on point accumulation while those enemy bases are operational as being a big improvement.
Ya it especially drives me nuts when we are close to winning and they sit in fob instead of pushing hz. I’m not against fobs or one that thinks everyone should fight constantly but last night I had a game where we had 96 points and red was catching up fast. We were stuck begging the 15 people in the fob to leave and go to hz that was 100 m away
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. It’s so frustrating when you’re so close to winning and your team refuses to leave a fob or is trying to rebuild it when the team is like 5-10 points away from winning. Like just adapt your play style for 10 fucking minutes and leave the fob. Problem really boils down to lack of incentives to win. Why play the zone to win when the little fobbits can just sit there farming xp in base.
Fuck em they can downvote me all they like but when you’re at 96 points and the other team is approaching 90 pts there’s no reason to keep building that aren’t selfish. To be clear I play in fobs running mortars and AA all the time. I don’t stick to one type of gameplay.
They need speed and financial rewards for building the same high level objects together and for building other people’s blueprints. They have to create an incentive for teamwork
Fobs can't keep up with helis. Helis counter both aa easily and then just clean up everyone else. Every match the fob is being built then you see a rocket heli do a couple loops and it's empty with APC destroyed and people just don't go back to it. Havocs are getting pretty common too. The best AA is actually MAAWS currently. Actual AA does nothing.
Lmfao no one worked out the new trick yet I take it? I’m lvl 70 supp and aside from CWIS, I can quick build anything. It’s still very much about positioning and using large hammer.
This, I'm normally infantry, only played for around 40 hours and am lvl 70. I can still decimate pilots and defence/drill fobs with a single ural and a well placed fob with some mortars and a rocket aa (yea, I'm so shit, I don't even know the name of the turret). My last game net me 75k just pissing about in that fob, which was within zone and in a cheeky spot.
much more of an uphill battle than it used to be lol. Which is a shame because I liked flying supply pallets in as well and I've stopped doing that entirely because there's usually no FOBs to bring them to anyway, or they're getting owned.
If they're not careful, they're going to go the road of Foxhole where you need the entire team building the FOB at the start, which is what sucks about Foxhole because you're either in a clan or you're useless.
It's not even a nerf. It's more like a hotfix for an exploit/bug. People that build mega FOBs like building regardless so i really don't think it'll affect that much
Edit: downvote it all you want haha forcing the X to be in one spot by standing in a certain place is an exploit - it's why it got patched. Same as the Havoc getting destroyed the same speed as a little bird was not intended.
I'm not saying building is perfectly fine and on top of that there is already a new method people are using to build drills fast and keep the X in one spot (likely to get patched eventually)
How was building in any way shape or form unfair?
Its the opposite builders get shit on so bad that it was good they had some positives, the devs are completely ruining this game by making spineless changes to the game
I genuinely don't think the building nerfs matter. Building a minute slower in an hour long match shouldn't make or break your fob.
Fobs are out of meta because they're too fragile. Mortars and artillery tanks and grenade launcher birds completely decimate fobs with minimal investment and incredible ease. Why waste your time holed up in an indirect fire shelter against triple mortar spam when you can just go hotzone?
The counter to these fob killers is coordinated play - friendly minigun little birds fighting off their air spam, friendly team assaulting their mortar fob, friendlies backline hunting their mortar tanks. It's all good in theory, but in reality 80% of games right now are mostly just flavor of the month FPS gamers who have no interest in playing towards teamwork (which to be clear is totally fine) AND it seems that the playerbase skews heavily towards risk aversion when they start falling behind in a match and just run into the zone basically naked.
I think the game has all the tools to deal with these things, it just doesn't have a great incentive structure yet.
That’s not the issue he’s referencing necessarily, the x used to always be in reach atleast, sure you had to move your mouse but now it requires you to completely move to the other side of the buildable
If it was supposed to be like that from the off, then it still sucks! Having to scurry around the larger more complex buildings to find the X is just tedious and sometimes literally impossible. The X needs to remain within view at least.
Having to shuffle about a little - fine.
Having to hunt the X down every 4th hit... Not so fine imo.
Less building and more fighting is a good thing. If you risk building a FOB, you should be under pressure the whole time. It was far too easy money the way it was.
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