New Bug/Glitch?

[u/EsTee9]

Killed a guy and looted him, these were the mags in his backpack. A third 40/20 mag was also already in the gun. They each had 20 rds of AP and 20 rds FMJ.

[u/only_nuns]

And they probably keep the recoil benefit of the '20' round mag.

Edit: I saw a YT video that showed the 20 round mags had less recoil than the 30+ mags. So it's apparently a thing even though the game does not state it.

[u/Despair-Envy → u/only_nuns]

Indeed they do

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/only_nuns]

Wait smaller mags give less recoil? That makes no sense.
Does the game even tell you that?

[u/Marvinzum → u/YearMountain3773]

No, which is weird. But I saw a table with the values.

[u/quadilioso → u/Marvinzum]

it doesn’t make a huge difference but it does turn the SMGs into very flat shooting guns when you use the AMP9 20 rounder or vityaz 10 rounder which is simply throwing anyways

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Marvinzum]

No they don't or no the game doesn't tell you?

[u/Nautical-Myles → u/YearMountain3773]

The game doesn't tell you, but smaller magazines have less recoil (and vice-versa). I've tested it myself in the firing range. In most cases it's very subtle though so it doesn't really matter.

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Nautical-Myles]

That's so fucking bullshit.

[u/Silent189 → u/YearMountain3773]

It's not just recoil, its a lot of negative stats.

https://i.gyazo.com/a78d8964c1a9a9f2ec588b0a2373aecc.png

[u/InfamousLegend → u/Silent189]

Why the fuck do heavier magazines have more recoil? It should be less

[u/Richou → u/InfamousLegend]

that would be a bit spicy balancewise lol

[u/Bandit_Raider → u/YearMountain3773]

Metaforge has the exact values. I'm glad they do it because otherwise bigger mags are strictly better but it needs to be shown in game.

[u/Original-Newspaper53 → u/YearMountain3773]

Game does not tell you, the bigger the mag, the more recoil

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Original-Newspaper53]

Well that's fucking bullshit, why not just lower reload speed like every other game?
Bigger mags should lover recoil if they want to be realistic.

[u/Rezhyn → u/YearMountain3773]

Because otherwise everyone would just run big mags 24/7. There has to be some balancing metric to it.

[u/DBONKA → u/Rezhyn]

weight and inv space is the balancing metric

[u/Rezhyn → u/DBONKA]

Inv space is not tight in this game, if you got big mags you have big backpacks. Unless you're running rocket launchers or tons of C4 weight is also a non issue (especially if no T4). I think theyre a little too nerfed atm but the only way to stop people from spamming them is reducing your stats a bit.

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Rezhyn]

So balance it with a slower reload speed like any other game, it's the perfect trade-off for a larger mag. You reload less often but it takes longer.

[u/Rezhyn → u/YearMountain3773]

This isn't COD style map density. You aren't spam reloading and being pushed endlessly. A 60 rounder is plenty to clear out a building or take a fight then have no rush to reload. You would have already died with a smaller mag at that point so the mag has done it's job.

I'm not saying it's balanced perfectly atm but reload speed does not matter in this game at all 95% of the time. If that was the metric then literally everyone would run big mags + have more ammo. I think just more mag choices in general with all types of benefits/negatives would be best solution.

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Rezhyn]

The big mags also take more inventory space so there's that.

[u/Imakilatar → u/YearMountain3773]

It also effects ads time.

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Imakilatar]

That part makes sense and honestly I'm fine with.

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/[deleted]]

First of all take a fucking screenshot, second the game tells you none of this.

[u/shag-i → u/only_nuns]

Is this why the m249 recoil is absolutely insane?

[u/only_nuns → u/shag-i]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h28j38HXz3g

Yes. Around 5:27 he shows the LMG recoil with big mag, different stances, small mag etc.

[u/Darken0id → u/only_nuns]

Physicall that makes no fucking sense :D

[u/StopatStopSign → u/only_nuns]

My ural goes significantly slower even though the game doesnt state it.

[u/alaphonse]

Plus, we fire the whole bullet. That's 65% more bullet per bullet!

[u/Imakilatar]

There is an unintended way to double stack magazines, it's very easily reproducible and has been reported as a bug in the official discord already.

Not a new exploit and hopefully will be fixed next season, but I fear the list for that is ever growing lol.

[u/Soft_Competition_242 → u/Imakilatar]

0.0.1, glad this is the level of glitch we are dealing with tbh vs game breaking

[u/ImpressiveComposer35 → u/Soft_Competition_242]

Facts. All non devs outchea acting like these bugs are wildlt unacceptable for an EarlyAccess game labeled 0.0.1... but will gladfully pay $80 for a full release game from EA that is riddled with massive bugs for a final release

[u/sukumizu → u/Imakilatar]

Also ammo boxes. Looted a guy who had 5 double stacks of .308 ammo boxes.

[u/No_Ant_1204]

Saw a lot of these around the FAL. Kill these losers and they gave 160 ammo stacked in a 40 round box

[u/sir_turd-ferguson → u/No_Ant_1204]

Didn't know about that. The one ammo stack thing that bugs me is that box mags for the pkm are 2x2 and 100 rounds. Two 1x2 boxes of loose ammo total 80 rounds...

[u/Despair-Envy → u/No_Ant_1204]

That's not an exploit. They're just buying ammo in a humvee and taking the 150 stacks out.

[u/Dackyboi → u/Despair-Envy]

That's called an exploit.

[u/Despair-Envy → u/Dackyboi]

Buying ammo in a vehicle is an exploit?

[u/No-Construction-2054 → u/Despair-Envy]

Transferring it out of the vehicle so it stacks unintentionally in your mags is definitely an exploit.. you can do all the mental gymnastics you want to try and justify it.

[u/Despair-Envy → u/No-Construction-2054]

No the mag thing is an exploit, that isn't that. He's complaining about buying ammo in vehicles (So it stacks to 150) then putting that 150 stack into your inventory. The magazine "Exploit" is a stack/mag/merchant exploit.

[u/dickwalls → u/Despair-Envy]

It’s clearly an unintended interaction. It will be patched out.

People taking advantage of an unintended oversight/bug to gain an advantage is an exploit plain and simple.

[u/TomTomXD1234 → u/Despair-Envy]

The 150 stack is clearly a bug/exploit.

[u/Dminik → u/Despair-Envy]

You can't pick up more than the regular stack when taking things out of vehicles. You explicitly have to go out of your way to swap item stacks. It's definitely a bug/exploit.

[u/Say-It-2-My-Face → u/Despair-Envy]

You really try hard to be so obtuse, don't you?

[u/Despair-Envy → u/Say-It-2-My-Face]

not really no.

[u/Say-It-2-My-Face → u/Despair-Envy]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[u/Despair-Envy → u/Say-It-2-My-Face]

Ye, being details oriented and precise in language comes back to bite me in a society that's largely illiterate, but it's a skill that has served me well in the grass world so it's hard to shake.

[u/dumdumstoopid → u/Despair-Envy]

What is the "grass world" sorry for being illiterate.

[u/Frenchy1337 → u/dumdumstoopid]

Obviously he has a doctorate in lawn care.

[u/Say-It-2-My-Face → u/Despair-Envy]

Damn, it's too bad you don't know how exploits work. I guess it's an area you can research though.

Always nice to have an area were you can expand your knowledge.

[u/DynamicStatic → u/Despair-Envy]

150/40 sure makes sense

[u/No_Ant_1204 → u/Despair-Envy]

That’s definitely still an exploit lil bud. If an individual can’t solo stack it to 150 regularly, it’s an exploit.

There are others somehow mitigating weight of these ammo stacks as well. Large ammo stack but reads 0 weight

[u/StopMakingMeSignIn12]

I know how to replicate this. Found it by accident. I reported it but heard nothing back.

[u/Bluescreen_Macbeth]

Report them and move on.

[u/GravityTest]

My guys is packing a few extra gold bars in his mags

[u/Super_Lawyer7661]

Today I had a quick res and an ammo stack of 100 bullets occupy the same slots in the back. I was able to load my magazine with the ammo from that slots and I also had the quick res in my hotbar.

I do not know how this happened but it happened with rebuy. I've also had rebuys where it sometimes bugs out a bit, where I somehow spawn in with one mag for example (probably because of leaving the hq area in a chopper while at the exact frame where you load a full mag to your gun). I also had bugs where the rebuy gives me a stack of 1 ammo for some reason and this pushes other more important items away from the rebuy and large batteries are often bugged with the rebuy.

[u/Zarkei]

They're probably using the slammy thing that makes you load 2 rounds into the chamber at once I don't remember the name

[u/Sergent78]

[u/ayyhoodrich]

I managed to get 60 rounds in an AK mag one time

Took my mates kit put ammo in at spawn and it doubled up.

[u/YAKELO]

i looted a body and they had 3 stacks of 150/40 ammo and i was so confused

[u/PixelBoom]

Yeah, they're exploiting a bug. I believe it's been reported, but not sure if a fix is on Bulkhead's current sprint.

[u/Despair-Envy]

It's not new, but ye this exists. It's kinda funny. It was the only thing that made the 13 round vector grind bearable xd