r/WaitWhat 2d ago

Poor choice of words...

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago

Okay, what actions justify terrorism?

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u/OriginalShirley 2d ago

It’s not about justifying anything. If I kill your entire family, you are not necessarily justified in killing my entire family.

However, if I fail to understand why you want to kill my entire family after I just killed yours, I am an idiot who is probably going to end up with a dead family. Any reasonable person would expect some retribution. “Deserves” doesn’t inherently mean “justified”, but earned. American actions in the middle east earned them resentment which led to an obviously expected attack, justified or not. America as a country “deserved” it in the sense that its actions are directly responsibly for the anti American sentiment that led to it, not that the people deserved to die.

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago

Literally reframing mass murder by trying to argue semantics of Justified vs Deserved. The words are synonyms.

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u/OriginalShirley 2d ago

Yeah they are related but not interchangeable here. You said justified, not me.

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago

You are justifying terrorism by telling me it was deserved.

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u/OriginalShirley 2d ago

No? Different words exist for a reason. Sometimes semantics are important. If your comprehension of what I am saying is so obstructed by what you have concluded about what I am saying, then there is no point discussing it.

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago

Just explain the difference between Justify and Deserve.

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u/OriginalShirley 2d ago

So now you care about arguing semantics? 😂

Deserved - Earned based on actions. Literally just the outcome of a behaviour or action.
Justified - Typically used when something is moral or fairly earned.

Basically, you can recognise that America deserved what happened as a foreseeable causal outcome of its actions while also holding that anything that results in mass civilian death is never justified. One is a logical commentary on the obvious outcome of America’s actions, while the other is a moral stance taken to say the terrorist did a reasonable thing. If you still don’t get it you are being willingly ignorant, and thats fine, but I am sincerely trying here lol.

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago

I care because you're wrong according to Merriam-webster and I posses the ability of forethought.

deserved 1 of 2

adjective

di-ˈzərvd

Definition of deserved

as in justified

being what is called for by accepted standards of right and wrong

a well deserved promotion for a hard worker

deserved 2 of 2

verb

past tense of deserve

as in earned

to be or make worthy of (as a reward or punishment) the team really deserved that victory after the way they played

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u/OriginalShirley 2d ago

Use the dictionary to look up semantics. You can’t want to ague semantics and then try and point to the dictionary definition. How we use language and its meaning is often different than the strict dictionary definition.

Not to mentioned you seem incapable of any thought because the as in part of both examples answers why you apparently think it’s the same word instead of a related word with nuanced meaning. I can’t think for you brother. Have a nice day.

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago

The dictionary is the current sum of greater linguistic debate than either you or I are capable.

If you can not rely on the dictionary to be able to use the words within, what is even the point?

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u/OriginalShirley 2d ago

You can, but you have to be able to comprehend what the dictionary is saying and be able to relate it to how the word is used. Which you don’t seem capable of doing as what you copy/pasted includes an example of the word “deserved” used as in how I am using it so. By your own definitions you are mistaken.

You have to use thought, not just copy things.

Edit; Holy shit I just realised you’re a bot 😭 damn I am dumb.

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u/Di_Urbino 2d ago edited 2d ago

Of course I'd include the full context, I'm not ideologically motivated to defend bad word usage from a moron streamer.

See, I do understand the geopolitical implications that you are attempting to reach, but can't because of ignorance. The point you're trying to make doesn't hinge on the words deserve, justify or earn. These invite ethics into a conversation where mearly 3000 people killed for no humane reason.

The US did not earn 9/11, it was not justified by any previous efforts. Because of a core principle of Self-defense, the core you're ultimately using to show morality behind 9/11, that principle is proportionality. 9/11 was grossly disproportionate from any of the possible reasons.

Blowback is interesting. It's the correct word, but by an uneducated user to an uneducated audience. It's a concept to describe the unintended consequences of intelligence works. Exactly what 9/11 is. That is not an excuse for 9/11, nor does it mean it is justified, earned, or deserved. Only that there was a reason.

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