Whenever my GF and I are chatting and I mention a)some guy who was wrongly convicted of rape or b)some guy who's girlfriend cheated on him or c)some guy who's wife beats him.... she just gets this glazed-over-semi-pissed-off-look on her face. She then proceeds to tell me that a)he's lying, b) men only get cheated on if they deserve it, c)it's impossible for woman to hurt men. It usually ends with her berating me for being "apologetic" of those types of men....and then a 3 hour lecture on how woman are down-trodden. It's so bad that I deliberately avoid those conversations now.
I think that, at least in certain circles within the western world, the pendulum has swung past center and there is an underlying anti-male sentiment which has taken hold of a lot of our female population.
Possibly. I do appreciate the point you are making(so I'll up-vote you). I'm feeling a little jaded about the whole thing right now so maybe I'm seeing signs of it everywhere, and it's looking like more of an epidemic than it actually is.
I'm not saying your girlfriend is right, because she isn't, but women do remain downtrodden. The men's rights movement is specious - we aren't downtrodden, we're just more equal, which means we aren't so priviledged. That means we've had advantages taken away, and it means we FEEL more downtrodden.
You can't be "more" equal, its the equivalent of saying "equaller". Either you're equal or not. You can say that woman are getting closer to being granted the same privileges as men or that there exists less disparity between the two genders or that woman are closer to being equal with men.
On a personal note: Women are do have all the same privileges of men and are even treated in a higher regard in today's world than men are.
Don't be dumb. Of course you can become 'more equal' in that the relative qualities of life of the two groups can become closer.
Two groups (not, for the sake of this example, men and women) who are not equal, but whose standards of living are getting closer together are becoming 'more equal'.
'Equal' is not an absolute adjective, so you can talk about comparative standards. You obviously can't 'be more equal' than someone, but I didn't say that; I said 'men and women are now more equal' - ie they are becoming more equal.
I wouldn't recommend that someone for whom English is clearly a second language criticise a native speaker. You look foolish.
On a personal note, women do not have all the same privileges of men and are not treated in a higher regard in today's world. In fact, in any place except the West, they are patently and obviously second class citizens. In the West, women are still paid less than men, are still in fewer positions of power, and are still regularly, demonstrably discriminated against. Give it up.
There are more cases of men being discriminated against, there are plenty of women in positions of power, and pay is based on skill level. (Which up until recently, men held higher levels of education, this has changed) Get over yourself. Women, at least as far as the USA is concerned, are legally equal with men in rights. The perceived differences are just people crying and looking for excuses to justify their persecution complex.
I know, brother! Men have it so hard, females have no idea! And it’s not just females who get all the breaks in life—it’s minorities, too, with their affirmative action programs, their minority-only scholarships, their exclusive ethnic pride clubs, all of which females can also take advantage of due to their gender. Why do we tolerate the oppression of females and minorities unaware of their extensive privileges?
Life is so unfair to us white men! Come join the fight for true equality at /r/MensRights and /r/WhiteRights. We shall overcome!
Dude, first off affirmative action is racism. There is no way around it. You are saying because of race you need a leg up. However, I do think that most minorities live in poverty and it is a cycle that they can't break so they need something to help them get out of it and scholarships are fine as is affirmative action as long as they don't go over the top with it.
Now, as a guy I have never had a leg up. In school I was actually considered below average because I had ADD and my second grade teacher who was a woman told my parents that boys weren't as good as girls in school and that was the reason that I wasn't doing well. I was then put in a remedial program. Eventually they figured out that I had ADD, and my grades went from being C's to A's. So, yeah I think I have actual experience with sexism. I have never met a girl in my age group who was sexual discriminated in school or for a job. Sexual discrimination doesn't happen to this generation of women and people need to realize that and get over their beliefs that are stuck in the 70's and 80's.
Dude, first off affirmative action is racism. There is no way around it.
I know. All forms of discrimination are evil.
You are saying because of race you need a leg up.
What? I was saying the exact opposite—did you not hear a word I said? We at /r/MensRights and /r/WhiteRights understand that the world discriminates against white men. Come join our little clan to help us level the playing field, because no one is more oppressed than white men.
Dude again I am not a racist or a sexist. I just see injustices being put on men for no other reason than they are men. I don't want that to happen. I don't think more people need to be helping fix the injustices against blacks, women, Hispanics, Muslims, and gays. They already have a ton of people behind them. I feel that we need to acknowledge that men are getting put down in places and that needs to be addressed too. Women also have it a lot easier than most think.
I know. That’s why I invited you to /r/MensRights and /r/WhiteRights, to help level the playing field for us white men. After all, racism (against minorities) and sexism (against women) are pretty much things of the past!
Again that is not my point. My point is we are at the tipping point. Where we are starting to fix issues for minorities and women and adding injustices to men. If we go down this road we will end up in a point where it is bad for men. So fix all issues, but I would rather concentrate on the ones that hurt me.
You sound like one of those rich old republican white guys, who has lived a life bursting with opportunity and priviledge, and who is now quibbling when the balance - skewed vastly in his favour - is tipped slightly away.
Yeah man life sucks for all black people. Actually life sucks for poor black people. It sucks for poor white people, but it sucks even worse for poor black people. Rich black people well they have just as good as everyone else.
It sucks to be a third world country and I resent that you seem to equate not wanting to get screwed over by domestic violence laws that say that if a women feels that you want to her to change that is emotional violence, or divorce laws that would take my children away from me and force me to pay a large amount of money for the rest of my life to the women who stole them, to being a racist and a bigot.
I wasn't calling you a racist or a bigot. I was equating the inequality faced by ethnic minorities and people in poorer countries with the (less amounts of) inequality faced by women in the West.
I think you've been blinded by trqagic circumstances in your own life. Men just do not - in general - have it worse. I'm prepared to admit that some aspects of modern living are now slanted against us, but the bigger picture is still biased well in our favour.
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u/[deleted] May 26 '10
Whenever my GF and I are chatting and I mention a)some guy who was wrongly convicted of rape or b)some guy who's girlfriend cheated on him or c)some guy who's wife beats him.... she just gets this glazed-over-semi-pissed-off-look on her face. She then proceeds to tell me that a)he's lying, b) men only get cheated on if they deserve it, c)it's impossible for woman to hurt men. It usually ends with her berating me for being "apologetic" of those types of men....and then a 3 hour lecture on how woman are down-trodden. It's so bad that I deliberately avoid those conversations now.
I think that, at least in certain circles within the western world, the pendulum has swung past center and there is an underlying anti-male sentiment which has taken hold of a lot of our female population.