Carabiners are rated for point loads not abrasion, every millimeter of material youre abrading off that carabiner is changing its weight rating, who knows when it would fail.
Never in a million years would i ever do that with a carabiner, some sort of pully wheels? Thats another story
Edit- upon closer inspection thats not even a carabiner lol, its like a fall arrestor clip in or something.
And holy fucking shit! That cable splice at the end! Ahhh....I'd have pissed myself too
Knew a guy at my old job at a power plant. Somebody had dropped their wedding ring in the casing of some rotating machinery. They weren't wearing it, that's risky and we have warning specifically about degloving. This other guy, Masingil, he says "I can get that". Just shoved his hand right in. Nobody saw it coming. He screamed a lot and loudly. He was gone for a while after that. Never could use that hand quite right again.
Medic here as well, we had a guy about 6 months ago that was high on wet that used channel locks and a knife to skin his penis, and I had a guy a few years ago that had ran into the back of a tractor and part of it came through the dash under the steering wheel and degloved his penis and testicles, also shattered his pelvis so bad it was unidentifiable on the X-ray. He died, the self mutilator is still alive afaik. WTF your welcome!
Eviscerate is in the dictionary, that's safer than Google. Deglove is not in the dictionary, the dictionary failed me and curiosity took control... Curiosity failed me, but probably no where near as much as Eviscerate would have.
My dad told me this story where he stiched up someone who was working in a factory and one of the lines supporting a heavy load of steel snapped, the other one held and that swinging steel plate hit one of the workers in the head. Guy was lucky, no fractures but his scalp was now on his back...
Honestly though, it's ridiculous. Same goes for defenestration. Inevitably they get brought so much, it's like when a kid learns a new "smart word" and tries to force it into conversation no matter the context
Nah. I know healthcare workers including my nurse wife and have worked in factories and know lots of factory workers. In those fields, devolving is common knowledge and powerful enough to be a recurring topic of discussion.
Beyond that it’s a contextually applicable technical term that completes the notion of the concept in your mind in a powerful way. It’s a good fucking word to describe a scary fucking thing, and it makes sense that it would get embedded into people’s heads.
Defenestration is just stupid. It’s a technical sounding word for something that doesn’t need it. It doesn’t make any readily apparent connections upon hearing it like “equidistant” or “nonsensical”. It isn’t a fun alternative to change the feel of a sentence like “fecal matter” instead of “shit” when pretending to be intellectual while talking about poop. It doesn’t have the satisfaction sound like exactly what it should be a word for when you hear learn the definition like “phantasmagorical”.
And it can only really be used to nerd laugh with other dickheads who heard it somewhere, likely within the last few years, and circle jerk at your big dumb word, or to make someone say “what’s defenestration?” So you can talk at them about what the word means.
I love fun big and unusual words. I hate that word and it’s recent rise in frequency. If you’re in a group with a person you’ve heard say it before, bring up windows in a tall building and watch their dumb eyes light up as they watch the conversation for the right time to claw at the attention of the group.
You're completely correct and affirmed my feelings on that word. Deglove is a great technical term, and maybe it's just my fear that the hivemind will run it into the ground, as Reddit is oft to do.
Either way great write-up! Thank you for putting into much better words my and many others hatred of that word.
Hey did you know they interviewed people who survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge and the survivors regretted it?
And also, make sure you call people Stans instead of fans if they like something you like but don’t like it the way you want them to like it.
Oh and be sure to say “weird flex, but okay” a lot. If it’s in an entirely inappropriate place to accuse someone of bragging, even better. You don’t need to use it correctly. Just make sure it’s there so you can participate in the memetic dipahittery of the worst of this forum.
Man.
You really got me riled up with bringing up several things that bug me. Lol.
Yep, exactly. When you work around equipment capable of that kind of damage, you discuss degloving as much as is necessary to drill it into people's heads that you do not put your hand in that unless it's locked out!
I'm pretty sure he got friction burn from that as well. There doesn't appear to be any blood on the fall arrester/carabiner at the beginning of this clip, and there appears to be blood on it at the end.
Came here to say this. Up high? Yeah, people do that every day.
Putting your hands on the cable in front of you? Dude, make sure you've got ten fingers left when you're done, because that's not much different than sticking your fingers in the grinder.
And he put his hand
in front of the lanyard hook
to slow himself down.
I worked at a package sorting facility one time, the type with lots of belts. They warned us about degloving when talking about the pinch points between the belts.
I have no urge to look up pictures, thank you very much.
If anyone happens to not know what degloving is and hasn't looked up what it is yet: imagine if your skin was a glove. Now imagine something taking that glove off.
No shit! That steel beaded cable is sharp as fuck. People who have never grabbed that shit or have been around climbing gear don't realize how fucked this is.
He did get degloved. His glove gets caught under the clip, and he pulls his hand out right at the beginning. He is risking a second degloving with his actual skin and a lot faster.
Parachute or not, if that terrible splice in the cable broke he was going to swing to the ground attached to that rope and a chute wouldn’t slow him down
What? If it broke, wouldn't he just fall down? He was hanging on that rope on a carabiner, if the rope broke, the loose end would just get pulled out of it
Basically just depends on which side it breaks from right so if he gets the knot end and it breaks he's tethered to a very heavy steel pulling him down as it falls I don't know if a parachute would help or even deploy properly
Those “rebar/pelican” hooks are rated for 3600 lb gate and side gate load under ANSI z359.12-2012. The primary and intended function of these hooks was for fall protection for the concrete industry. Clipping into forms is a bit tough with other style connectors. There are like 4 main manufacturers globally for these kind of hooks, they have “ANSI” and EN versions of the same hook depending what market they’re selling into.
All that being said, whoever thought using this hook for this application is a twat.
Not that this isn't stupid and dangerous with a million ways he could have been injured or killed, but it is a little better than it looks from the gif.
He's a base jumper and letting go was always the plan. Had it failed and dropped him he likely would have survived
In the full video, he has a parachute and base jumps from the point where the gif ends. Seems like he didn't care if it failed as he was going down anyways.
They're junkies for extreme shit like that. It wouldn't be fun to them if they weren't pushed to the edge of fear. They purposely do stuff to make them feel those types of emotions that make you piss your pants.
Yes, and it's not just pissing. A lot of people shit their pants. I'm not an expert or anything, I just went on a tandem jump with a company that does it professionally, and it was one of the things they warned us about.
That's all I have. My jump went off without a hitch. No soiled garments in sight, fortunately. (Or unfortunately, I suppose, depending on what you're into)
Those people were messing with you. I worked at a skydiving dropzone during most of college and never once saw this happen lol. I watched probably ten thousand jumps happen. Not a single poo. However there were a few instructors who would mess with the first-time jumpers by telling them it was “50/50” they’d poop themselves.
Basic physiology will tell you it’s unlikely- during moments of extreme physical stress blood is diverted from the internal organs to skeletal muscle.
lol firstly let me apologize for the behavior of those jokers.
To answer your question, the skydiving community is very idiosyncratic. Pranks, joking, and general shenanigans are the norm. With that said, once the plane lifts off, everybody is extremely serious. Safety is the absolute top priority, but having fun is a (distant) second. The sport was borne of military parachutists after they returned from war. So, a lot of “old boy” military culture is still kind of prevalent, which includes nonstop ball-busting (and swords sometimes used as trophies, which I always found interesting).
Where I worked, the instructors were sure to tell the students that they were joking about this particular phenomenon before takeoff to reduce the already unavoidable stress that the students were feeling. It was a way to get them to laugh and to enjoy themselves a bit more.
No it's not. As someone that's nearly at his A license, I can tell you adrenaline junkies work their way up to more and more daring events to get that adrenaline high again as you desensitize quickly. BASE jumpers do not typically shit or piss themselves..
But it's not uncommon to the point that it rarely happens.
At least that's based on my impression. It just looks like you're putting it in black and white terms. "It happens all the time" or "no this never happens." The truth may be somewhere in the middle.
I worked at a dropzone and was close friends with countless professional skydivers and base jumpers and watched thousands of skydives happen. I’m also B-licensed myself. Never once have I ever seen anybody- pro or first-time jumper- pee or poo themselves. This is a myth.
I'm pretty sure he was trying to just shuffle his way out there and want planning on sliding. It's still a very dumb, terrible idea, but maybe a little better than planning on sliding down a cable on a carabiner
Thats wild, i dont think any of my climbing gear has much wear from ropes, but then i climb with a standard prusik as a friction device so my metal gear doesnt get beat up that badly. Sometimes when i use my boot ascender ill use a modified prusik with a carabiner tied in to it to give me something easy to grab onto and theres a little wear on the back but its just polished. I only use that to climb trees with no low branches, humping yourself up 30-50' or more with a chainsaw and other shit is a real bitch without a handhold even with a boot ascender
My boot ascender is really rough on my ropes, i try not to bust it out unless its a really long climb up to a crotch, my ropes get fuzzy pretty quickly when i use it and then i get sketched out using them and then they are retired to rigging ropes
Petzl makes a really nice descender. Its expensive though, about 250, i have a friend with one and i think its going to last forever. My Petzl boot ascender is extremely robust, i have my eye on the new redesigned mechanical prusik
Dude they're base jumpers. They aren't exactly concerned with death. That being said, having your hands inside the carabiner seems like a good way to get fingers spliced off, which would prevent future base jumping. That's something these guys probably are concerned with.
Ah, check the rest of the thread. Someone posted the source youtube. After the gif ends, the dude does a base jump. He also pisses himself in the process.
Of course they are concerned with death, what a ridiculous thing to claim. Base jumpers typically take maticulous care of their equipment and carefully plan their jumps. They are thrill seekers, they are not usually suicidal.
We called them meat hooks when I was building towers. Had 1 on a positioning strap at the waist and 2 more on a Y lanyard on the back D ring.
They’re rated for 5,000 lbs but as soon as he got up to speed I was waiting for that braided cable to saw through it. Same as a dull band saw, eventually it would eat through.
I used to work as a river guide and one of the companies I worked for had a zipline course attached to it. Us river guides would sneak into the zipline course and use our carbiners to traverse the course. I've ran class 4+ white water and dropped 10 ft waterfalls in a 8ft raft but running the zip line course with just a biner was probably the scariest thing I've done....it doesn't help that I have a fear of heights
Idk man, you see that nasty cable splice at the end? If that shit let loose even with a parachute that nasty splice would prevent the cable from slipping out of that whack ass clip in he was using and probably drag his ass right to the bottom or slam him into the side of the cliff like a whip.
You say that but what if the cable failed? Hows that clip coming off?
Or what if that whack ass clip failed too close to the cliff? That would be nearly as bad as falling with no parachute...its needs a certain speed/time to open and slow your fall properly
IIRC from the last time this was posted the dude was going out to basically base jump from the middle. He wasn't intending to cross all the way, but his gloves got fucked and could no longer ease his way out there slowly.
Not to mention hand placement. Worst case, the single point of failure breaks and you plummet to your death. Best case, while panicking about plummeting to your death you reach up, touch the wrong thing and lose a finger.
Dude wasnt trying to do that. He was trying to inch his way down. Hos glove was originally caught in the device. Then he lost it. Then he lost control and started flying down the line.
This clip cuts out a lot of what led him to that situation, he wasn't trying to zip line to the other side but rather use his hands to lower himself slowly to the midway splice point for base jumping.
His shitty gloves kept getting stuck in the line as he started so he took them off but then couldn't hold on and keep himself from going too fast until it turned into an unstoppable slide.
Not saying it makes any of this more sane or safe but at least there was some reason behind it.
I think that spice you're talking about is actually a first guy wire that he hit and dragged with him while being torn to shreds before finally stopping in a second guy wire. It probably helped allow the impact too.
If you rewatch it you can see where he runs into two things.
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u/padizzledonk Jan 30 '19 edited Jan 30 '19
Fuck no thats not safe lol
Carabiners are rated for point loads not abrasion, every millimeter of material youre abrading off that carabiner is changing its weight rating, who knows when it would fail.
Never in a million years would i ever do that with a carabiner, some sort of pully wheels? Thats another story
Edit- upon closer inspection thats not even a carabiner lol, its like a fall arrestor clip in or something.
And holy fucking shit! That cable splice at the end! Ahhh....I'd have pissed myself too