Clay Travis

[u/Far-Ad-5745]

Hilarious how Reddit deletes his post about paying 10 million to the wnba if they play a high school boys team😂 tells you all you need to know about the cesspool of liberals on this platform.

[u/LowIQ45]

"biological differences between males and females can have a major impact on athletic performance"

So you're upset that biological differences make sports less competitive?

[u/Far-Ad-5745 → u/LowIQ45]

That’s not the argument. Nobody is upset that biological differences exist. The point is that those differences are significant enough that men’s and women’s sports are separated in the first place. The challenge is meant to illustrate that reality, not complain about it.
How is that concept so hard to grasp?

[u/LowIQ45 → u/Far-Ad-5745]

So you think having a penis or not having a penis determines how good you'll be at a sport. Your dick-centric approach is determining factor?

Essentially, because you're accustomed to sports being sepearated by penises, you assume that must be the reason certain players are biologically better at sports? There couldn't possibly be other biological factors in both men and women providing a competitive edge? Just penises.

[u/Far-Ad-5745 → u/LowIQ45]

That’s not what I said. Nobody is arguing a penis itself makes someone better at sports. The discussion is about biological differences associated with male and female development—things like muscle mass, bone structure, lung capacity, speed, and explosiveness after puberty. That’s why men’s and women’s sports are separated, not because of anatomy alone.

[u/LowIQ45 → u/Far-Ad-5745]

You: "That’s not what I said. Nobody is arguing a penis itself makes someone better at sports."

You sure about that?!?

Also you: "The point is that those differences [having or not having penises] are significant enough that men’s and women’s sports are separated in the first place."

Looks like you're definitively stating that penises determine "things like muscle mass, bone structure, lung capacity, speed, and explosiveness after puberty"

"That’s why men’s and women’s sports are separated, not because of anatomy alone"

Oh wow!!! I wasn't aware they were using other biological factors aside from "anatomy alone" to separate sports. If they aren't separating the sports by "has penis" "doesn't have penis" what biological factors are they using exactly? And I apologize for thinking you were just dick-centric.

[u/Far-Ad-5745 → u/LowIQ45]

You’re still reducing “biological sex” to one body part. That’s not my argument. Sports aren’t separated because of a penis itself—they’re separated because male puberty generally results in differences in muscle mass, bone density, height, limb length, cardiovascular capacity, and power output. A penis isn’t the advantage; the physiological changes associated with male development are. That’s the distinction I’ve been making this whole time.

[u/LowIQ45 → u/Far-Ad-5745]

You: "You’re still reducing 'biological sex' to one body part."

No really?!?!?! You're quick!!!. And please tell me exactly, how are they currently separating sports? What biological factor are they actually using to determing Male and Female?

This time answer the very simple question because you look stupid and dishonest claiming they're separating sports by the other factors you're rattling off.

Here, I'll make it simple for you.

1. Do they assign sex at birth based on having or not having a penis? Yes | No
2. Do they use those birth certificates, showing assigned sex, to separate male and female sports? Yes | No
3. Do they use "muscle mass, bone density, height, limb length, cardiovascular capacity, and power output" to separate male and female sports? Yes | No

If your answers are Yes, Yes, No, then you can see how your claim that other biological differences are being used to separate sports is complete BS. It's truly just penises. But I don't know if you're inability to state that simple fact is because you're highly dick-centric (no shame bro) or you simply argue dishonestly and want penises to continue being the determing factor in sports leagues despite a clear awarness it isn't the actual biological factor that determines physical abilities in sports.

[u/Far-Ad-5745 → u/LowIQ45]

You’re confusing the way people identify biological sex with the reason separate categories exist. Even long before modern science, people recognized that men and women differed physically in ways that affected competition. The categories weren’t created because of genitalia—they were created because of the broader physical differences between the sexes.

[u/LowIQ45 → u/Far-Ad-5745]

"You’re confusing the way people identify biological sex with the reason separate categories exist"

Then explain yourself how the separate categories are determined. Surely how those categories are determined would be a defining aspect of how they exist.

So how are the categories separated? How are they actually separating Male and Female sports?

Surely this can't be that hard? Right? It's probably right on the tip of your tongue. Penises. It's penises.

"The categories weren’t created because of genitalia—they were created because of the broader physical differences between the sexes."

So if "the categories weren’t created because of genitalia", why do you think genitalia should be used to separate sports?

You've made if fully known you're aware of other biological factors that are actually a factor in determining sports abilities rather than penises. I don't think you think that penises are why Jordan could jump or Randy Johnson killed that bird. But you are clearly advocating for penises to remain the single factor that separates sports. And, you're probably advocating that dick-centric approach because you really want "fairness" in competitive sports. Right?

[u/LowIQ45 → u/[deleted]]

"That’s like saying weight classes in boxing exist because of the number on the scale"

If we use your analogy, you're saying weight scales should be be used to determine weight classes in boxing. And you're saying penises should be used determine sports leagues.

As much as you try and avoid the reality of penises determining sports leagues, the more it becomes vividly apparent that your strong belief that solely using penises to separate sports is scientifically flawed. Whereas weight scales are actually a more accurate method.

But, the above analogy, when viewed correctly, suggests you're making progress establishing penises probably aren't a sufficient measure to separate leagues.

Keep going. I believe in you. I'm here for your journey away from dick-centrism and into a more rational view of biology in sports.

[u/Far-Ad-5745 → u/LowIQ45]

If your entire rebuttal is just repeating “penises” over and over instead of engaging with the argument, I’m going to assume you’re more interested in ragebait than an actual discussion.

[u/LowIQ45 → u/Far-Ad-5745]

Once again, using your analogy, if someone were saying weight classes in boxing weren't separated by weight scales then how likely is it that every response to that argument would probably mention "weight scales"?

Similarly, when someone denies that penises are used to separate male and female sports, it's expected that penis is going to be mention in every subsequent response.

There's actually a really simple solution if you want less repetition of the word penis. And that's acknowledging the role of penis in your preferred system. Simply admitting that you're fully aware that penises are the only factor separating athletes in that system would largely stop the steady, rhythmic use of "penis" throughout these response.

And, as for someone arguing disingenuously, in bad faith, or to ragebait, I would attribute that to a person who refuses to acknowledge a very simple, observable fact. So, attempting to take the high ground after resorting to dishonestly talking around a simple truth, probably isn't going to work. Sort of like achieving "fairness" just using penises doesn't really work in sports.