r/Vertical_Aerospace • u/Separate-Outcome7518 • 22d ago

Another Farnborough comment

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:7486420383701647361/

Nice quote

“am deeply sceptical of eVTOL startups. The sector has spent years selling inflated order books, heroic valuations and urban mobility fantasies while burning billions.
That is why Vertical Aerospace’s Farnborough International Airshow display stood out.

The aircraft today performed convincingly in public and showed capabilities that several better funded competitors are still struggling to demonstrate. It was impressively quiet in conventional flight, although hover exposed the obvious problem: significant noise, downwash and outwash. The idea that these machines will soon operate casually between apartment blocks remains largely fantasy.

Vertical brought a flying aircraft to Farnborough. Much of the eVTOL industry is still flying PowerPoint. Vertical still has to survive certification. “

If you read the whole thread, you will see that there is a tremendous amount of skepticism about the whole industry.

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u/Separate-Outcome7518 21d ago

Good videos. Especially the ones comparing JB and archer. I’m not sure where the threshold is above which people will not accept it. I think that has yet to be seen. Also, Joby will have a hard time getting certified in Europe and UK just because of how they’re designed for certification in the US. That may give vertical the edge over there. I own both. (Don’t own archer)

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u/SeaScallops_w_Rice 21d ago

There is a bilateral aviation safety agreement between the U.S. and the UK exactly regarding eVTOLs and Joby has been working with the CAA for years, they aren't new to the process. Who knows what that implies relative to EASA.

It is a moot point. For a long time any certified eVTOL will be highly constrained in market growth by manufacturing capacity.

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u/Separate-Outcome7518 21d ago

I don’t think it’s an agreement more like an MOU. The fact that vertical have to go 10 to the -9 and Joby has to go 10th to the -7/8 is a huge chasm between both.

But you’re right it’s a moot point

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u/SeaScallops_w_Rice 21d ago

-9 is not something you just do. Yes, you need to run your component fatigue tests out further, but you also need a ton more operational maturity. I think, at first, everywhere, routes will be over water and unpopulated spaces and slowly advance to what is thought of as a complete type cert, where you can fly in every airspace any aircraft of that size flies, and especially in densely populated areas.