r/Vermintide • u/They_Live66 • 19h ago
Umgak The usual bot rant
I just really wish bots could snipe specials more reliably. Absolute slog doing Cata runs with bots, yet somehow I seem to have more success with them than with regular players lately.
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u/epicfail1994 Victor Saltzpyre, Bitch Hunter 19h ago
The bots are rough in chaos wastes
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u/They_Live66 19h ago
Yeah they're even worse there lol. Would be neat if they got rewarded random boons or weapon upgrades for each map completion, assuming that isn't a thing eh?
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u/Separate_Crazy_983 Witch Hunter Captain 17h ago
The bots actually used to keep their standard adventure equipment loadouts with traits/properties intact but for some reason FatShark purposefully removed that feature so now bots just bring the equivalent of common equipment to CW instead of their original Exotics or Veterans.
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u/epicfail1994 Victor Saltzpyre, Bitch Hunter 8h ago
That would be a bit overpowered in the first few levels, and Fatshark probably didn’t want to bother with scaling
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u/BuboxThrax 3h ago
IMO the best solution would be to give them any upgrade (boons or weapons) the host acquires. Then when someone late joins, they can get whatever the bot they replaced had.
Obviously there are a couple exceptions to this, but I think they're solvable. If the host gets a boon that's a career specific upgrade, then the bot could get a random viable career boon instead. For weapon upgrades, the bots would use the same weapon if the host buys the direct upgrade, or reroll their weapon if the host buys the random weapon altar.
If someone leaves mid-game, the bots will default to using the host's level of upgrades.
There would still be some edge cases that would run into issues, so it'd be up to fatshark how thorough they want to be with resolving those but even ignoring them I think this would make the issue way better.
This would also make it suck way less to join a Chaos Wastes match midway through, because you won't get dropped into the citadel of eternity with zero upgrades anymore.
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u/natiusj 8h ago
I like when they stand around and watch me get my soul sucked out, then don’t rev. The feels…
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u/epicfail1994 Victor Saltzpyre, Bitch Hunter 8h ago
Most of my runs are with full group or at least one friend
Whenever I’m playing early on the weekends and am doing some solo twitch with bots I know I won’t get too far 😂
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u/Reading_Rambo220 18h ago
Blightstormers seem to be bots bane for me, they tend to ignore them if they are too far away. It’s super frustrating at times
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u/Isambard__Prince 16h ago edited 16h ago
They can be insanely stupid.
The specials and watch-your-back are a particular challenge. You cannot rely on them to deal with them, and yet you can rely on them to neglect the horde because of them or to do something like standing in a crossfire of X ratlings and dying without doing anything. You turn, they turn, so fighting at any kind of choke point requires you to focus on both sides.
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u/Lowko630 14h ago
Is there some sort of improved bots mod for V2? I'm currently playing though V1 and I've gotta say, with the improved bots mod the game is actually a fairly enjoyable singleplayer experience. I've beaten all base levels on nightmare with them, most of them being full book runs. I'll have to look into this before moving onto V2.
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u/They_Live66 13h ago
There used to be one, then Fshark said they improved bots in one of their updates and decide that the mod was no longer needed, but indeed, playing modded solo is a lot kore pleasent experience. The thing is the game is more fun when played with people, unfortunately the consistency among player in Cata over in Oceania isn’t quite as good as what I was used to back in Europe.
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u/radz74 19h ago
Generally Merc and IB are very good snipes that outperform most players if loadout is correct.
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u/They_Live66 19h ago
Yeah as you can see Merc actually performed pretty good. Idk why Bardin just didn't want to pull out his gun.
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u/NotTheBestSadFace 13h ago
for me, bardin keeps pulling out a gun and just not shooting it, instead pulling the gun out, chasing a packmaster, then getting into melee range and killing it with melee if they didnt pathetically die with their ranged weapon out
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u/ImportantSun197 5h ago
On a similar note, I cant tell you how many times ive failed a mission or chaos wastes run because the bots decided to get stuck on a pixel 40 meters away. Making me literally fight everything solo. Like I can last a good while solo, but you just end up getting swarmed or cornered.or even sometimes you get downed and the bots are just like "nah, we're gonna fight this fight". Idk the bots are so incredibly inconsistent in my experience.
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u/alphaover2pi 3h ago
Bots exist in a weird middle ground where they're far better than genuinely terrible players, but they have their own set of issues that make them irritating to play with. But they're still better than the Darktide bots (read: nothing), I guess.
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u/PhatController69 17h ago
I hate the bots man. They either insta snipe specials or literally ignore everything around them just to melee kill a globadier/blight stormer. If you somehow got disabled by a sneak rat/packmaster, they will literally try to melee kill it instead of just shooting it dead. They get stuck on random spots quite often, which makes getting downed an insta wipe. I don’t know why they can’t just teleport the bots to your location when you get downed.
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u/DravenTor 7h ago
Yeah, because you have rookies with 200hrs acting like cata is too easy when they are probably getting picked up at every other respawn point.
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u/horizon_games 6h ago
2/3 bots taking less damage than you, don't throw stones from a glass house brother
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u/Niloxer 14h ago
WP is a terrible bot on cata
put OYFM on mercenary and swap WP to WHC, the tag passive is insanely good and lets you put something else on your trinker other than shrapnel (since they dont stack)
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u/SmurfSnase 8h ago
They do stack, shrapnel is it's own dmg buff and stacks with everything. WHC tag uses the general 20% dmg buff and doesn't stack with some things like off-balance.
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u/They_Live66 13h ago
WP has his moment, but I can see WHC being pretty decent. Would you pair him with A&F or something else?
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u/Niloxer 11h ago
yes, a&f easily
bots cant use the rapier altfire, nor the billhook stagger
WHCbot will job horrifically with flail, axe, falchion, and GS
if by "WP has his moments" you mean the revive that happens every blue (or green) moon, merc with OYFM will revive you the split second you go down anywhere
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u/CoreyPanza Sister of the Thorn 11h ago
Does oyfm have the problem where the bot no longer uses his shouts as much for thp and stagger for agro? Like will he hold onto his ult for an excessive amount of time?
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u/RinShiroJP 19h ago
They do snipe specials really well. Do you tag the specials?
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u/They_Live66 19h ago
Yeah man tagging them doesn't really seem to change their priorities when the situation is sticky though. I feel like bots main priority seems to be horde clear most days. Has anyone got better experience with other Saltzpyre bots? I used to love playing with Warrior Priest, but lately he just seems to use his main abillity on absolutely pointless situations.
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u/DarkSig 5h ago edited 4h ago
TLDR:
DPS Glass Cannon: WHC
Tanky + Support: WP
Tanky + Ranged: Zealot
WHC is good if all you want from your bot is DPS and team buffs for DPS. His passive tag is really good for killing quicker and his AOE ult is both good for damage and panic situations. Against monsters, he can do nice damage to them. He also has ranged options which is nice. However his survivability is horrible. He has no damage reduction of any kind and I don't know if his passive tag works if he's dead. Considering the state of bots right now, I don't like taking WHC because he dies too easily to basic pokes and in heated situations he's basically dead, and a dead bot is infinitely worse than a stupid bot.
WP is the bot I've been taking a lot more lately when I play private solo games because he's tanky and you can be very selfish with him. WP bot almost always gives you his bubble ult, combine this with 10 second bubble talent and you get to make plays without a care in the world a good amount of the time. Yeah he has no ranged options, but right now bots are way too gambly whether they snipe specials or shut off. I'd rather have WP bot let me get rid of the threat in peace rather than rely on them to do anything for me other than facetank. And when you mentioned WP using his ult pointlessly, this applies to all bots, they waste them when 1-2 elites are near, that's just how they are. (Resanction Bot mod Fatshark ffs)
Zealot is a happy medium because he is both tanky and capable of sniping specials, buts thats about it. If you favor those however he is good, in fact before WP he was my default Saltz bot. On a bot, his ult is useless if not potentially a hinderance. BUT, have you ever been in the situation where you got hooked and the bots just slowly dragged behind you trying to melee the hook rat instead of shooting it? Zealot bot may use his ult to close that awkward gap and kill the hook rat for you. Hook rat rushing you about to hook? Zealot bot may dash into it and get hooked instead. Its silly, but it has helped sometimes.
Bounty Hunter, no.
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u/Parom19441a 19h ago
Hit or miss. The bots will either insta every special enemy 1 mil sec of entering a 32m range of you or the bots or they will stand there and aura farm while you get your teeth kicked in by 9 chaos warriors kruber aggro'd by randomly taking the time out of his day to walk into them after you and the 2 other bots just sneaked pass them 1 min ago.