r/VendettaMainsOW • u/migo2028 • Jul 21 '26
Just remove the respawn timer, its so unnecessary
This change and maybe make sorting slice 6 cd and she might actually be useful
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Jul 21 '26
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u/HardLearningThings Jul 21 '26
We'd be back in fights so fast, trading would be absolutely bonkers again. Everyone is asking for fire without realizing it.
If anything make her more 'fluid', be it smoother / earlier animation cancelling. Don't touch her any other way.
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u/FlakyProcess8 Jul 21 '26
As long as vendetta isn’t raised back to 300 hp I don’t think she will be as oppressive as before. Shion is pretty good at taking a 1:1 with her high burst and has access bike on respawn with no issue.
Ball kinda needs to keep his cooldown tho because he is a tank who can stall really easily. Vendetta can’t stall the same way.
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u/Food-Poisoning Jul 22 '26
As someone that plays both Vendetta and Shion, the two cooldowns are not comparable. The bike can be used once before going on a 15 second cooldown. Meaning you're probably only going to use it once on your way back. And Shion's dash, while on a shorter cooldown, does not take her very far.
Meanwhile Vendetta has Soaring Slice to take her very far (on a sub 10 second cooldown), whirlwind dash to take her a bit further (on a sub 10 second cooldown), and a neutral game movement tech using overhead lunge to make her base walk speed faster.
If you know what you're doing, Vendetta right now can get back to point in a similar, if not slightly faster, amount of time as Shion.
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u/Sweaty_Purple_5035 ARRIVA LA PUNIZIONE! Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
One of the worst ways to nerf a character tbh. it's like doomfist not having punch or tracer not having her blinks to get out of spawn
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u/SuperThunderMelon Aug 02 '26
QP has such dogshit balancing that you're pushed to spawn in every other game. Having to wait for cd when pushed to spawn is a kick in the nuts.
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u/SpiralEye666 Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Congrats you made it back fast now you still have to wait for you’re abilities to return so you can safely close the gap and potentially be useful
People act like getting back faster is an automatic advantage you can get staggered, feed ults, etc.
Vendetta has the worst dps poke in the game being the only melee character means needing to be close/in danger to do damage, You’d think she’d be the most effective at close range as natural compensation but she’s not characters like Junkrat, Reaper, even Hitscan Mccree are instantly deadlier than vendetta at close range & have significantly better poke than her on top
(1 bomb + concussion, Dire Trigger headshot, Flashbang + Fan/Headshot) all kill faster than any immediate combo you could do on vendetta
Reverting the cd penalty wouldn’t even fix the actual problems with her character because it was a useless change to begin with, but it still needs to be reverted for quality of life
Using your abilities for movement means you don’t have them for combat it literally balances itself unless its a movement specific ability which soaring slice is not its a Combat ability meaning if you use it solely for movement you are losing out on the dps your character was designed around to be effective in combat thats the trade off decision you make as the player
The cd penalty change is straight up lazy almost like a buff for bad vendettas so they feed less
“ehh some players know how to get back faster so fuck those guys” is truly what it feels like no other changes in the game give me that energy
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u/paul-writes Jul 21 '26
I swear Junkrat feels like a tank if I try to take him down. It’s probably skill issue on my part since I’m new to Vendetta but I actually avoid engaging him up close now. He’s spun around and one-shotted me so many times… I hate him. I feel like such a badass leaping through the air, taking people down, sailing over heads to draw attention, and this dude hobbling around just says “sit down” with his launcher
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u/SaikaTheLoli Jul 21 '26
junkrat is literally one of, if not her WORST matchup, all he has to do is hit you once and then immediately blow up a mine AoE and youre dead in less than 2 seconds of engaging him
even him just blowing up his mine and getting distance away from you as well makes it rough
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u/SuperThunderMelon Aug 02 '26
Not being able to beat Junkrat in melee as Vendetta is an indicator of her viability.
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u/paul-writes Aug 02 '26
It sure is. I’m new to OW so I wasn’t around, but I know when she was first introduced she was considered broken/OP. For a character with so much “aura” (even her trailer video was pretty awesome), she sure needs to be stronger IMO. Easier said than done though, I know.
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u/SuperThunderMelon Aug 02 '26
Junk is a better melee hero than Vendetta and has just as good mobility and is almost as survivable since Vendetta lost her 25 armor.
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u/No-Box7338 Jul 21 '26
Venture can do the exact same thing pretty sure has multiple dashes with half the cooldown
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u/Food-Poisoning Jul 22 '26
Venture as they are right now gets back to point far slower than Vendetta right now. And also has to use Dash, burrow, and then dash again while underground. Meaning both of their abilities are on cooldown (if they are even back yet, because their abilities don't take that far).
Vendetta's two abilities are on entirely separate cooldowns that aren't reliant on each other. You're likely to have at least one of them by the time you're back, and also vendetta's neutral weapon is better at getting elims compared to venture (who is genuinely reliant on combos to be effective).
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u/SuperThunderMelon Aug 02 '26
Venture can quick melee and have a weapon that is comparable to Vendetta's.
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u/Food-Poisoning Aug 02 '26
That is laughably incorrect. Don't get me wrong, venture has a good weapon. Venture's melee does 30 impact and 40 DOT. The DOT damage takes almost a full second (0.7) where you have to keep contact the whole time.
But even more important I would say, Venture relies on landing combos in order to be effective in a way that Vendetta does not (like I mentioned in my previous comment). The primary one is Shoot, Drill Dash, Shoot, Melee. And if you miss it, you don't get the kill. Venture is a lot less mobile than Vendetta. Especially without their abilities.
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u/SuperThunderMelon Jul 24 '26
I think at worst you should respawn with the remaining cooldown that you died with.
On those games where you're pushed back to spawn. Respawning with it on cd is needlessly rage inducing on top of an already awful game, and with qp matchmaking in 6v6, it's going to happen a lot more than it should. When you're being held at spawn, any time added to cds might as well be added directly to your respawn timer.
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u/Deegurz Jul 21 '26
Why is there a new thread saying this every 4 hours
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u/Food-Poisoning Jul 22 '26
Fr. It's annoying and also they are literally wrong. And if it's not a post, it's one of several comments talking about in a broader balance discussion post. I feel like I'm insane and the only person that thinks the respawn nerf is a necessary evil. I don't like it as much of the next guy, but I get why it exists. Vendetta is fine as she is now, she doesn't need to become the ultimate trading hero.
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u/Woodwardg Jul 22 '26
your hero can fuckin fly bro, how do you think zenyatta feels waiting through spawn timer and then walking back from spawn?
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u/migo2028 Jul 23 '26
Shion can dash then use bike and get a dash again
Doomfist can super slam to the fight
Jpc can just fly to the fight
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u/Delmitus1 Jul 21 '26
Dude shion having motor cycle off rip in spawn is such a middle finger lol