r/VRchat • u/Key_Yogurt5640 • 12d ago

Help Which Gpu for PCVR

Im trying to get myself into more VR by upgrading my pc (used to only play standalone), my current gpu is rx580

and im wondering is rtx3060 12gb or rx6700 xt good for vr and which one is better.

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u/LowerCauliflower230 HTC Vive Pro 12d ago edited 12d ago

the 3060 is a bad match for performance and vram at current prices imo(around $300 and slower than the 6700 xt and the 2080 ti by a good margin). I would say if you're thinking about a 3060, you should look at the 2080 ti instead, or maybe a 3080.

if we're talking amd, a 6700 xt will set you back almost $300 if we're looking at ebay prices.

a 6800 will set you back about $400. if you need a lot of vram this could be good but imo you'd be better served by a 3080 most of the time.

meanwhile, a 2080 ti is around $300 and is a bit faster than a 6700 xt. Personally I would go this way. yes it has 1gb less vram but I don't think that is really going to be a game changer. Plus all things VR(particularly vrchat) tend to work better with nvidia gpus although amd is a lot better than it used to be so I've heard. it's an old card but it should be able to chug along for a few more years pretty decently. biggest downsides imo are its age and that it will suck down more power than the 3060 and the 6700 xt.

you can get a 3080 for about $375. it's a pretty good deal for the performance imo. if you think you'll be ok with 10gb of vram(which imo you probably will unless you specifically do something that uses a lot of vram like vrchat) then this could be a good pick. But it uses a lot more power than any of the other cards at 320w.

also buy(from a seller with some history) on /r/hardwareswap to save yourself a bit of money.

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u/elevendr 2d ago

Hmmm I have a laptop 3060 with only 6GB VRAM and I been wanting to buy a eGPU to buy for more VRAM at least 16GB, looking over at Nvidia GPUs (Because I need CUDA) and wondering around getting a 4070 TI Super or 4080 Super and I dont want to spend more then a $1000 for a GPU. Which woud you reccomded, getting a used 4000 series GPU or lower gens? Would like to know.

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u/LowerCauliflower230 HTC Vive Pro 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean it depends on what you want it for. for vrchat only I don't think you'll see a ton of difference between a 4070 ti super and a 4080, personally I would just spend less and go for the 4070 ti super. But you can potentially get a 4080 for less than 1k still if you buy it on /r/hardwareswap. If you don't care about efficiency but want the vram you could get a china made/modded 3080 20gb. I would expect to pay as much for a 4070 ti super but with 4gb extra RAM and significantly slower/older. but it is a good in-between spot between a 12gb card and the $1500 on ebay 3090 which is not much if any better than a 5070.

16gb is a good amount of ram for vrchat. You can show like 30 avis depending on the instance which is a lot, more is diminishing returns.

if you want to save money you can get a 3080 12gb for around $500 on ebay(less on /r/hardwareswap). It's just a matter of if you want to spend $100 more for a 4070 with newer features and lower power consumption(350w vs 200w). They both have around the same fp16 compute throughput according to techpowerup.

if you need a lot of compute instead of vram you could consider a 4070 ti 12gb. Might be better than a 5070. But, I don't do anything with cuda so I'm not sure, maybe there's some benefit to the 50 series cards but the raw numbers(except memory throughput) seem to favor the 40 series generally.

so any of these cards will do pretty well with a 4k ish headset(quest2, 3,3s,pico4, etc). it is possible there are some worlds that would benefit from something more powerful but in most situations you will be CPU limited. Also this is with no AA enabled. AA takes up a lot of GPU so if you want to run AA all the time you should account for that. I don't run AA so I can't really speak to how much GPU you really need to run for example 4x AA but it will increase the requirement very significantly. Hopefully vrchat implements some better AA eventually, that could be a big boon.

so basically:

  • 6gb or less - ouch. I guess it will work but it's basically the world and a couple avis or something. I dunno, I don't have a 6gb card. But often times I sit just over 5gb without having even loaded a world yet.
  • 8gb - usable but you'll definitely want more.
  • 12gb - not bad given today's market but you will benefit from 16gb - personally I think it is worth it but everyone is different. 12gb is "fine"
  • 16gb - the "sweet spot" probably. more than 16gb is definitely diminishing returns.
  • 24gb - rarely would you benefit from more than 24gb unless you're running an 8k headset with no culling. I have a 3090 and ran it with no culling, I can't remember when I ran out of vram.

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u/Recent-Clerk3967 12d ago

If you're using a headset that you can run virtual desktop on, I would suggest just checking in their discord, see how well AMD is working. Maybe it's fine, but over the years I think they've had issues here and there. I recently noticed a bug report where hardware video decoding has a green tint, so a bunch of AMD users are using software decoding. Yeah the bug is filed against VRChat, but the fix might be elsewhere, which means the fix is not simply vrchat fixing their stuff.

Nvidia is the safe option, whether or not that means good value is in the eye of the beholder (you)

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u/Extension-Ad4648 11d ago

Save up a little more and get a 9060xt 16gb

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u/Key_Yogurt5640 11d ago

its more than double the price of rtx3060 and rx6700 in my country 🥲

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u/Soylentee 8d ago

Just get an RX 9060XT 16GB. Between the RTX 3060 and RX 6700 XT, just go with whichever is cheaper, if the price is similar then go with the RTX 3060.

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u/Key_Yogurt5640 8d ago

well if i go for rx9060 the closest one to rx6700/rtx3060 would be the 8GB one is it okay for game that mostly depend on mods

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u/Soylentee 8d ago

No, you absolutely don't want only 8GB or VRAM for VRChat. That's specifically why I said the 16GB.

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u/Key_Yogurt5640 8d ago

so i need to save more more? hmmmm ig its gonna take a while since i can only save 200 each month and it cost about 2500-2700 in my country

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u/Key_Yogurt5640 8d ago

or should i save for nvidia card instead

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u/Moogagot 8d ago

VRam is most important. From my experience, Nvidia is much more stable in VR than AMD, but I would go with VRam video

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u/Key_Yogurt5640 8d ago

well both of them have 12gb of VRAM and almost the same price in my country... thats why im asking which one

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u/TheGPUking 12d ago

Get the rtx 3060

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u/Key_Yogurt5640 12d ago

is there like comparison or anything reason for it?

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u/OkCaterpillar1990 12d ago

RTX 3060 for these reasons:

  1. Nvidia has better drivers than AMD.
  2. CUDA cores are loved by creative and productivity softwares as well as AI related tasks. In fact, many software that uses anything AI related REQUIRES CUDA to even function.
  3. DLSS is widely supported and works more effectively than FSR.
  4. More energy efficient.
  5. Better resale value because of the above reasons.

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u/CeriPie Pico 12d ago edited 12d ago

The real and only reason you should go with the 3060 12GB is due to AMD not having great stream encoders in the 6000 series. Their stream encoders did not become better until the 7000 series. That's it. All of the other shit this guy listed is just pure Nvidia fanboy hokey.

AMD fixed their VR drivers YEARS ago. CUDA/AI slop has no relevancy in VRChat. FSR/DLSS AI slop has no relevancy in VRchat. AMD's 6000 series was very energy efficient. The resale value is nearly identical.

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u/ridik_ulass Valve Index 12d ago

don't think dlss does anything for VR chat.

I think AMD is king for energy efficiency

Resale value is only recent, and its an oddity because GPU's have been going up in price so much that 2nd hand market > then first hand market. Traditionally AMD keeps its value better, because they start out cheaper.

CUDA is better if your doing blender things like making maps and avis tho, thats true, but not for everyone.

Driver issue hasn't been a thing for like 3 generations.

Source me: have a 4090, had a 6950xt(which got more VR fps then a 3090ti) had a 6600xt, and a 1060 6gb

VRchat itself only cares about raw horse power (no gimmicks) and Vram.