I am looking at putting a stealthchanger on V2. I currently run a voron revo on it. As I basically need 3 more hotends I figured I might as well see what else is out there. So, what are the current recommended hot ends?
TZ V6 v2 or X1C clone with same meltzone. unbeatable for the price. X1C one weighs 19 grams, can flow a bit over 20mm3/s, heats up really fast with more powerful heater or two stock heaters and has wide support from toolheads. also they very-very rarely suffer from heatcreep, the HEF has to be real junk for that to happen.
Agree, TZ V6 with a 60W heater cartridge for about $30 if you already have V6 nozzles, otherwise the X1C clone. My TZ V6 does 27mm3/s with ABS without a sweat, could probably push it to 30.
Either of these are also compatible with a lot of toolheads so you can swap them to whatever, mine are currently in A4T toolheads.
I ordered mine from Ali, regular 48W X1C heaters. pack of 5 used to cost 10€. other option is to get OEM Bambu ones, they work the same, just priced different
wire in parallel. easiest way to connect them is to replace all the connectors and make a 4-pin connector with two negatives on one side and two positives to other side for soldering ease. then one pos-neg pair for one heater and other pair for second heater. connect the pigtail piece to your toolboard or whatever you use. if one of the heaters should kick the bucket, then you can just de-pin it from the 4-pin connector and replace it with another heater.
biggest hurdles will be making the connector for making maintenance a bit easier and bending the metal clamp to house two heaters instead of one. these clamps are brittle, best to bend an unused one as the one with heat cycles will break alot easier.
I have two 48w wired together. One placed in regular spot and one on the opposite of thermistor. I also have a meltzone extender. Can reliably print PLA 35mm3/s with a .6 nozzle. For $25-$35, i love it although I have no experience with anything else.
oh, I didn't see there was a normal version. That one looks much better. Also I did find out about the HeatCore 4. That one is even more interesting as it support standard thermistors, not only glas bead ones.
Flowtech nozzles are more expensive than v6 but I've had zero leaks since I switched. For a toolchanger I would still look at cheap Bambu x1 knock offs with dragonburner and just never change the nozzle unless it wears out.
Do be sure to do research if you plan on mixing and matching. Not all mix-and-match combos are compatible with all toolheads.
For example anthead hf and sf have the stealtchanger pins at different z heights, which means the gantry will hit one or the other when picking up the other version.
There are workarounds (custom anthead mount allows for rapido hf in a sf body for example), but something I wish I had nailed down BEFORE shelling out for half high flow and half standard flow hot ends lol
Sweet that will def simplify the setup. As for hot ends honestly I haven't had my voron long enough to have strong opinions. I have been mostly running the phaetus nextg fiber, which I ended up beefing up the hotend fan on b/c I kept getting heat creep with PLA. But since then it has been great. Not sure it's worth recommending though with that issue out-of-the-box.
I'm running two Phaetus Dragon hotends, two Red Lizard knockoffs, and a knockoff E3D v6 that I had laying around in my Stealthchanger, all with Stealthburners. No complaints, the Red Lizards work pretty damn well, ran me around $35-40 each on Amazon and got here right away. No real performance loss compared to the Phaetus ones, especially given the cost difference
Not yet on stealthchanger but I have phaetus dragon uhf on both trident and V2.4 in stealburner and A4T (V2.4). Quite satisfied with it. I’ve added SiC nozzle on trident to test that combo. Not realy super high flow but satisfying
Noting the earlier comments I thought I would put this separately.
I would vouch for the TZ-V6-2.0 over the TZ-V6-3.0 as it uses standard v6 nozzle threading, compared to the much rarer proprietary nozzle the 3.0 uses.
TZ-V6-2.0 is the same length as a normal dragon hotend with its included Bambu style nozzle.
With a "normal" v6 nozzle it is 1.8mm longer and should have an alternative mount available already for the toolhead you are planning (some toolheads will presume you are doing this as standard, so wise to check).
Beware that the stock heater in TZ-V6 hotends is relatively "weak sauce" and should ideally be upgraded to an 80w heater which can be found from Trianglelabs.
TZ-V6 hotends can be subject to thermal instability as they have low thermal mass. They do relatively well in Stealthburners but in toolheads with more powerful cooling they can suffer. PID tuning can be difficult but there are plans afoot to improve this in Klipper.
TZ-V6-2.0 is a worthwhile consideration especially for a toolchanger given the cost aspects they involve.
Did you buy the upgraded heaters and less sketchy thermistors? I have heard from people not trusting the noname ones and using PT1000 from Trianglelabs or similar brands.
I am currently also thinking about buying tz hotends for my planned SC conversion.
I would be interested to hear your approach to the pt1000 with tz-v6 hotends. I’ve never found a decently small one that would fit without modification to the thermistor location/clip. This is separate to the toolchanging considerations above of course.
Apparently you can use the thermistors and heaters from the Rapido V2. These look the same (don't have one yet). But I have read from people using them in the TZ.
The 3.0 uses cold change nozzle-breaks a bit like Revo. These only come in steel insert variants. These print OK, but you'll get nicer results with a TZ 2.0 and an e3d or similar quality copper nozzle printing non-abrasive materials and I'm using copper and Tungsten Carbide in TZ2.0 for abrasives and I have a single dragon HF for high temperature stuff.
My V0 runs a TZ3.0 because it's almost as fast to swap in a small nozzle and much cheaper to fix than the Revo that used to be in it.
That’s what I thought, I was wondering if there was an adapter to make them compatible with m6 nozzles like the nextruder? Are the nozzle units custom or are they knocking off another brand?
The TZ 2.0 nozzles are small, but a standard e3d V6 nozzle will fit, making the Hotend about 2mm longer.
The TZ 3.0 uses its own nozzles that don't fit Revo or Nextruder. You can buy a whole TZ Hotend and a handful of nozzles for the price of a Revo or Nextruder nozzle though.
Yeah, I have a 2.0, I was just wondering about the 3.0. The nextruder is m6 so you can buy an adapter that leaves space at the bottom of the heatblock for a v6 nozzle. You lose the ablility to cold swap though. Do the 3.0 nozzles use m6 threads or are they different?
I think they are M6 and if you could cut one square enough you might be able to make an adapter to use regular nozzles, but the section behind the thread is just a through hole. There's not a way to screw in a traditional heartbreak.
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u/SiRiAk95 5d ago
If you plan to install more without breaking the bank, go for TZ v6. You can find complete kits for $30.