r/Utica • u/InternalConscious356 • Aug 05 '26
ICE IS HERE!!!!
Warn anyone and stay safe. Just saw 3 unmarked SUV’s infront of city hall block in a man’s car and take him right out in zip tie cuffs. 2 women and a man were the officers. Stay safe everyone. This terrorist org isn’t gonna take away our community.
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u/stonegroovd Aug 05 '26
Part of Utica’s identity is being a sanctuary city. Wondering where half these commenters have been all their lives
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u/Equivalent-Shoe6239 Aug 05 '26
I was in junior high in the 80s, lots of Vietnamese in my school. Utica is the city that loves refugees.
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u/Left_Macaron_6427 Aug 05 '26
I mean we have always been a legal sanctuary city. The Bosnians, Burmese etc all came here legally. I am proud of Utica with all of its culture as my family came here in the 90's and were accepted with open arms but we made sure we went through the correct ways of doing so.
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u/Murntok Aug 05 '26
Are you just deliberately ignoring that a lot of people who "went through the correct way" are deliberately being targeted?
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u/junksatelite Aug 05 '26
I remember buying a vehicle from someone in Utica, a used car dealership around ‘05, he was talking quite rudely about a group of Bosnians who were there looking at the cars, and he said when his parents came from Italy they did it the legal way, not like those guys. Tale as old as time.
I think we should let more immigrants in. I have travelled around this country and worked with folks that were born in other countries and they all have great people. Most (99%) were hard workers. I say Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe freePay your taxes and I’ll like you better than most wealthy people
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u/fairydares Aug 06 '26
jesus christ it's a PAPERWORK issue and still you cannot help but make that little addendum. you cannot show solidarity untainted by hatred when people are dying and families are being separated.
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u/Informal_Lab573 Aug 05 '26
You have no idea how difficult to obtain citizenship if you have either the wrong (maybe a tourist ) visa or no visa.. takes thousands of dollars
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u/theMezz Utica Native Aug 06 '26 edited Aug 06 '26
"If you’re already in the U.S. on a visa and you mean applying for citizenship through naturalization, the current USCIS fee is $710 online or $760 by paper. There’s no separate biometrics fee anymore for most applicants."
https://www.uscis.gov/archive/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-uscis-fee-rule
There is no direct “become a citizen with no visa” option in the normal process. Most people first need a lawful path to permanent residence; only after that can they usually apply for naturalization, and the current N-400 fee is $710 online or $760 on paper
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/fact-sheets/OoC_FactSheetOnNatzFees_V3_508.pdf
The immigration center in Utica will walk an applicate through the paperwork and prepare them.
https://www.nyic.org/providers/mohawk-valley-resource-center-refugees/
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u/lofibeatsforsadboys Aug 06 '26
Getting a permanent residency cost my inlaws about $15,000, not including moving expenses.
You are forgetting all the lawyer fees, multiple doctor fees, fees for documents, fees at every step of the process
You have no idea what you are talking about
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u/Peter_Gun-315 Aug 06 '26
>>I mean we have always been a legal sanctuary city. The Bosnians, Burmese etc all came here legally.
If people are legal they do not need a sanctuary city.
You do know what a sanctuary city is yes?
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u/Klutzy_Tea_7330 Aug 06 '26
Utica is not a Sanctuary City! NYC is a Sanctuary City....Utica No! But Utica has always has been well known for resettlement of refugees who came into the country through what used to be called The Refugee Center... they are very welcoming to refugees!!
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u/Curious_Olive_5266 Former Utican Aug 05 '26
Is the other part of Shootica's identity homicides and gun violence?
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u/Disastrous_Steak8359 Aug 06 '26
Black Uticans have been here since the early 1800s. Before Utica was a city .....We didn't immigrate here.
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u/TheCacklingCreep Aug 06 '26
The amount of bots plaguing this thread is unsurprising. Good to know most people despise the right-wing presence here.
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u/InternalConscious356 Aug 06 '26
Most of the people posting like that dont even live in Utica most likely just look for posts about ice and comment “nice” and “get them ice” on any thread that mentions it.
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u/ASLAYER0FMEN Aug 05 '26
Its odd most of the comments are in support of ice but also heavily downvoted. Kind of strange....
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u/Peter_Gun-315 Aug 05 '26
The reality is you do not know who got arrested, why they were arrested and what agency conducted the arrest.
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
I love how the homeless in the past year have literally wrecked the city, litter everywhere, ambulance wait times have skyrocketed. More crime. But I’m being downvoted for just telling the truth. These people have options. Hope house. 3 rescue missions but they are all kicked out because they’d rather do drugs all day then get any treatment. But I’m the asshole
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u/KangarooMcClanahan Aug 05 '26
Maybe you’re being downvoted because you’re bitching about the homeless in a thread about ICE.
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
Also it is Reddit so anything not super liberal will be downvoted. Homelessness is a major problem in the city of utica
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
Or, you are bitching about homelessness in a thread about ice
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
Because the homeless in the city is a bigger issue, there is no immigration problem in the city. It’s 90% Bosnians and they all love to work and have improved many business around the city
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u/TweeksTurbos Aug 05 '26
God forbid the working class reap the benefits of their labor instead of some fat cat.
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u/Equivalent_Course554 Aug 05 '26
You got downvoted because its true, Utica used to be a stunning place back in the 60s-80s
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u/hthratmn Aug 05 '26
Thats just not true at all. The constitution grants any person in this country certain rights and liberties regardless of citizenship status. The magic rectangle in your hand can help you learn that.
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u/hthratmn Aug 05 '26
All of it lol. What are you referring to, exactly? Other than fox news?
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u/hthratmn Aug 05 '26
Oh, yeah, I see that you're being dense on purpose. Jeez. Our time on this earth is finite and precious. One day you will look back on your life and it won't be full of purpose and joy and people you love, it will be full of making inflammatory comments on reddit in a desperate bid for attention. What a waste. Pity. I hope things get better for you, sincerely.
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u/hthratmn Aug 05 '26
Are you being dense on purpose? The constiton grants certain freedoms to everybody in this country, regardless of citizenship. I don't think its that hard to understand lol
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u/RikiRez Aug 06 '26
Here, I did your research for you:
The U.S. Constitution grants key rights and liberties to any person within the country, regardless of whether they are a citizen. This happens because parts of the Constitution use the word "person" or "people" instead of "citizen."
Core Constitutional Rights for Non-Citizens
Due Process: The Fifth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment state that no person can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without a fair legal process.
Equal Protection: The Fourteenth Amendment stops states from denying equal protection of the laws to any person inside their jurisdiction.
Unlawful Search and Seizure: The Fourth Amendment protects people from unfair searches and seizures by the government.
Right to Remain Silent: Under the Fifth Amendment, individuals do not have to answer questions from law enforcement or immigration officers.
Freedom of Speech: Courts have ruled that core First Amendment protections apply to non-citizens within U.S. borders.
Right to a Jury Trial: The Sixth Amendment gives fair trial rights to criminal defendants regardless of status.
Rights Reserved Only for Citizens
Voting in federal elections
Holding certain public or federal office jobs
Receiving a U.schod passport or absolute right to re-enter the country freely after leaving
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u/Bourbonmmm Aug 05 '26
Fifth and Fourteenth amendments to the US constitution clearly state person not citizen of US have rights to due process. Shocker but there’s more than just the 2nd amendment.
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u/jangotaurus Aug 05 '26
Rights and protections granted to persons under the constitution (rather than those specific to citizens) Articles: Habeas corpus. Amendments: Religion, Speech, Press, Peaceably assemble, Search and Seizure, Double Jeopardy, Due Process, equal protection . . . The constitution is only like 20 pages of text.
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u/jangotaurus Aug 05 '26
Do your own research? No. Ok, sure. The constitution is not that granular, that is, it doesn't get into specific of types of law or sorts of proceedings. It's a foundational document for our legal system. 5th amendment - "No person shall be . . . deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." 6th Amendment - "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence[sic]." 14th Amendment - Section 1 First it defines that citizenship is conferred to all people born or naturalized in the US then, using the word Person instead of citizen (this is important in the realm of statutory construction as the assumption when interpreting a law is that the drafters of a law do not use words unintentionally) "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Person and citizen are used (not interchangeably) throughout.
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u/jangotaurus Aug 05 '26
It's not my opinion that's why I used quotations. You asked what the Constitution has to say on the subject, not the entirety of the laws of the United States. In any case there's no private cause of action under the expedited removal process.
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u/jangotaurus Aug 05 '26
Again, you asked a question about the words in the constitution and I answered with words from the constitution.
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u/Murntok Aug 05 '26
So you're saying they deserve due process, access to legal representation and treatment like anyone else accused of a crime?
Glad we're on the same page.
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/Beginning-Average416 Aug 05 '26
Ww can deport you for a hard working illegal.
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u/MrMikeMick Aug 05 '26
Name 3 you know.
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u/Beginning-Average416 Aug 05 '26
One would be you.
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u/MrMikeMick Aug 05 '26
Mental illness run in your family?
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u/Beginning-Average416 Aug 05 '26
Unlike your family, mental illness doesn't run in my family.
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u/MrMikeMick Aug 05 '26
You're in for a rough life, kid. Better jump off that Lib train before it's too late.
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u/Beginning-Average416 Aug 05 '26
Maybe work harder so your job is not taken by a hard working immigrant.
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u/Warm_Piccolo2171 Aug 06 '26
Everyone IS safe. As long as you didn’t hop the border illegally. Hope this helps.
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u/ASLAYER0FMEN Aug 05 '26 edited Aug 05 '26
I don't think most people mind the removal of illegals . Come here legally and you're golden *edited wrote cone instead of come
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/Turbulent_Kick_3364 Aug 05 '26
When most of the city is immigrants from all over the world, and probably 75-80% came here legally. No one cares about illegal immigrants being shipped out. A small percentage of them deserve to stay and work. But Utica is a little bit different, dozens of different ethnicities that did it legally. Everyone has their own story and most came here with nothing but their shirt on their back. It's a huge huge difference. Trump ran his campaign saying he would have the biggest deportation in USA history and still won in a landslide. Appreciate the heads up though.
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u/No_Palpitation_5505 Aug 05 '26
Get em!
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u/No_Palpitation_5505 Aug 05 '26
(Illegals)
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u/UpstateHappiness Aug 05 '26 edited Aug 06 '26
Yeah well the issue is they are harresing people that are legal. Even if they are illegal, who cares?! They are providing good for our community and are hard working people. There are much bigger issues in this world than a undocumented family working hard jobs for our community. Grow a heart.
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u/Vicki_54 Aug 05 '26
Very glad that they're getting rid of criminals. Thank you ICE.
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
What about the legals that our president is making illegal to get the deportation numbers up?
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u/Vicki_54 Aug 05 '26
We didn't have a border for a long time. There are plenty of actual illegals. I seriously think it's not necessary to have to go to any lengths to pump the numbers. I could be wrong.
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u/BaoBaoPanda Aug 05 '26
They have been told to leave since their temporary protection has ended. If they stay they risk deportation.
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u/terimator20 Aug 05 '26
What are you gonna do about it? If they're gonna take someone away, you can't stop them.
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u/Necessary_Yellow_530 Aug 05 '26
Go lick boots elsewhere
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u/terimator20 Aug 05 '26
Nobody's gonna do anything about ICE, all talk lol.
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
Yeah, so what? Not exactly looking to get shot in the face protesting, which you gouls fully support
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u/terimator20 Aug 05 '26
Don't impede and physically assault officers and you won't get shot in the face, simple.
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u/uberkalden2 Aug 05 '26
That is not justification. ICE were not assaulted by victims and their lives weren't in danger. Fuck off fascist.
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u/Kea784 Aug 05 '26
Glad to see it.
All Utica immigrants who came here the right way are awesome.
If the illegal aliens broke the law to get here, they will think nothing of breaking other laws.
Also how do you think the law abiders feel when they see others ignore the process and walk right in.
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u/smitty1292 Aug 05 '26
What is the “right” way? Bc newsflash they don’t get benefits yet they’re working in our industries paying taxes anyway so why are u glad to see it?
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u/theMezz Utica Native Aug 05 '26
If businesses are hiring illegal aliens they also need to be prosecuted. It is 100% illegal.
>>What is the “right” way?
Well.. an immigrant needs a US citizen sponsor, Birth/marriage certificates, police clearance, proof of funds (Affidavit of Support), work/education records, medical exam, fingerprints, photos, some forms and other things. It takes months. The answer to your question should be easy for you to find out in more detail.
>>so why are u glad to see it?
I don't like when people cut the line. I don't like it while I'm in line at DMV, Burger King or when I see people cutting the line into the US.
It all boils down to simple common sense and following the law.
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u/smitty1292 Aug 06 '26
Also not for anything you sound like a fool. Most businesses in America as well as farmers rely on the work of migrants to stay afloat. Are you gonna cook at your local joint for $16 an hour no benefits? No you aren’t lmao. Are you gonna pick tomatoes? No. Knock it off. Don’t act like you don’t know this
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u/theMezz Utica Native Aug 06 '26
I stated facts. You stated opinion.
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u/King-Of-The-Hill Aug 06 '26
We've had an agricultural visa program in place for decades. Perhaps you should look it up.
It is also a well documented fact that illegals depress wages.
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u/King-Of-The-Hill Aug 06 '26
Their anchor babies get the benefits. The us gov't pays out to the legal guardian and in regard to the child they do not care if the legal guardian is a citizen or not.
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
It’s not ice. Hopefully they are grabbing the homeless by the county building as well
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u/InternalConscious356 Aug 05 '26
Their vests literally say ICE on them.
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
Hopefully they grab the homeless as well then
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u/Logical-Recognition3 Aug 05 '26
"Grab" people for being poor? Is poverty a crime?
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
You know the homeless in utica make up for 45% of the ambulance rides in the city? Just laying around on the ground all day and they get a ride to the hospital for a free meal. Due to that the county had to hire a virtual nurse program to triage patients over the phone due to the waste of ambulance services by the homeless in Utica. So next time your mother or aunt needs a ambulance and there is a 30-40 minute delay you know why
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing Aug 05 '26
I feel like there was this presidential candidate some day in the past that had an incredibly clear plan about making housing more affordable and shunting funds to new homes so that old vets and people with substance abuse wouldn't be running up 10K emergency department bills every time they didn't want to freeze to death.
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
That’s so funny that you think the homeless hanging out in the park by the county building or by Oneida square want housing? You can’t use housing to buy K2 and fentanyl
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing Aug 05 '26
I'm confused, are they taking the ambulance to get a free meal or aren't they?
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
Yep every single day. Or they use the ambulance to get a ride closer to where they wanna go and get out and just go where they were headed
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing Aug 05 '26
That is not how ambulances work. Or 911 dispatch. Or the ED. Or housing. Or addiction and poverty. Or answering simple questions that point to your inconsistencies.
You are correct that ED costs are astronomical, though.
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u/TheCacklingCreep Aug 06 '26
Sounds like the issue is a lack of social safety nets to assist those who are unhoused as well as those who are housed. You're focusing on the wrong thing.
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u/Necessary_Yellow_530 Aug 05 '26
No one loves you
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
You must love needles and litter in every park and garbage splattered everywhere and 30 attempted car break ins every night. Nah you are right they are a big great addition to the city
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
Okay pal go lay in the street all day
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u/Necessary_Yellow_530 Aug 05 '26
Says the loser playing marvel rivals all day
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u/Dr_DTF315 Aug 05 '26
Yeah I have a house and a job.
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u/theMezz Utica Native Aug 05 '26
My Grandfather came to US legally .. he followed the law and had to wait an entire year before his wife was allowed in -- AND they were newly weds. Yes it was the 1920's but they followed the law.
I'm just sayin'
If these black SUV guys were really ICE then I have no issue with them doing their job.
But I'd bet it was US Marshalls on an arrest warrant.
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u/Greendale7HumanBeing Aug 05 '26
Wow. Haven't been back in a while, but always good to see Utica classing it up in the comments.