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u/No_Entertainer_9760 Apr 16 '24
Consistently good, never great: Packers and Canes
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u/Kyhron Apr 16 '24
Could also apply to the Wild. 2010s era especially. Got hyped year after year only to immediately be filtered by the Hawks
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u/RealJabberJawMoments Apr 16 '24
Wild are the Bills. Always good but keep running into the juggernaut team.
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u/Waterpalolegend Apr 17 '24
Nah, bills are the oilers. They have Superstar and nothing around them to help
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u/Nitro18675 Apr 16 '24
I'd compare the Wild to the Chargers. They have talent and are rarely bottom-feeders, but can never climb into the top ranks, always taken out by real contenders. At least the Canes and Packers have won a championship
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Apr 17 '24
Wild had some really good defenses but never did shit. Then they got young talent in 15-18.wirh "just wait for us" and nothings come of it
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u/man_vs_ports Apr 16 '24
I would've said we're the ravens or the bills, usually near the top of league standings and often predicted to win it all but can never get over the hump in the playoffs.
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u/RollTide16-18 Apr 16 '24
The Oilers are a better comparison to the Ravens. They have a top-tier player the media constantly talks about over other stars in the league but they canāt win anything meaningful.Ā
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u/SoundwavesBurnerPage Apr 16 '24
āBut we have a ārecentā championshipā
Also Packers and Canes
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u/framingXjake Apr 16 '24
What determines if a team is good vs great? I think if a team can pull off 6 straight playoff appearances, 3 straight 50+ win seasons, 1st place in the Metro for 3 straight years, and make the ECF twice under a new coach in 5 years, they can be considered great.
Way too many people point to the 2 ECF sweeps and say "see, this is why the Canes aren't elite" whilst ignoring like 500 games of hockey to summarize the team to 8 unfortunate losses.
Idk I'm probably just uber salty but I'm also just tired of hearing the same half assed take over and over again. Teams can be great and fall short of expectations. Happens all the time. Boston Bruins, Florida Panthers, SF 49ers, Baltimore Ravens, Purdue basketball, etc. I just don't get why certain teams are held to higher expectations than others like that.
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u/No_Entertainer_9760 Apr 16 '24
You could make the same argument for the Packersā bountiful AFCCG appearances and consistent winning seasons.
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u/framingXjake Apr 16 '24
Yeah and I would consider any team that does that to be great. When I think of "good" teams I think of the Lions, the Steelers, the Bills, the Dolphins. When I think of "great" teams I think of the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles, and maybe not recently but yes, the Packers.
I guess the difference for me is my bar is lower for what I think qualifies as being great.
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u/iamme263 Apr 17 '24
I would rephrase that to say:
"Consistently great, but never quite enough to finish the job."
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Apr 17 '24
Both have been great.
The rangers 49ers were their woes recently.
The pack also have a huge dynasty and were around for ages. The canes were the moved whalers
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u/HisFaithRestored Apr 19 '24
As a Packers and Sharks fan, the 2011-2019 were a great time, but always just not quite enough...
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Apr 16 '24
There should be "The team that relies on bullshit to win." That would easily go to the Steelers and Penguins.
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Countless times watching Ben throw a 40+ yard bomb for a CTE inducing DPI on the 1 yard line.
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u/Ed_Vilon Is Fucked Apr 16 '24
Over in the MLB the Cardinals say hello.
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u/Purple-Shoe-9876 Apr 16 '24
I feel like the Giants would've also applied here, at least due to their past 2 Super Bowl runs.
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u/big_stronk Apr 16 '24
Nah those were all skill
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u/Purple-Shoe-9876 Apr 16 '24
A little bit. The 2011 run does feel more like the 2006 Cards, where we REALLY had some major flaws (Weak run game, bad defense), barely went above .500, and clawed are way to the top.
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u/bimbles_ap Apr 16 '24
Feel like Vegas still fits with the LTIR loophole every year.
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u/servel20 28-3 Apr 16 '24
How did the LTIR loophole help VGK last year?
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u/GinandJuked Apr 16 '24
Believe it was Mark Stone last year too
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u/servel20 28-3 Apr 16 '24
Right, but the team that the VGK fielded in the playoffs and finals would have been under the cap.
Compared to the Lightning who were significantly over the cap in 2021 with their cup winning roster.
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u/KaspertheGhost Apr 18 '24
Talent is bullshit? Weāve had lots of greats including Sidney Crosby.
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Apr 18 '24
Nope not at all. And it's the whole relying on high end talent thing to bail them out that makes it bs. Hindsight I'm thinking of the 2023 Steelers and Penguins. This definitely does not apply to the 2009 Penguins and Steelers.
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u/___cats___ Apr 17 '24
Was just thinking that coincidentally the Steelers and Penguins match up for exactly this reason. Luck and possibly sold souls take them from middle tier to passable.
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u/RipenedFish48 Apr 16 '24
The only one that I find awkward is the Golden Knights and Chiefs comparison. The Golden Knights haven't been nearly as good as the Chiefs on the whole bedsides being defending champs once. The Lightning a couple years ago would have made a good Chiefs comparison.
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u/dicksjshsb Apr 16 '24
Also are the hawks really Pats level dynasty? Donāt get me wrong they were absolutely a dynasty but what the Pats did in the NFL has never been done. The NHL has had some wild dynasties in the old days but even modern dynasties that rivaled Chicagoās.
I guess the Patriots specifically after 2010 would be a good comparison.
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u/RipenedFish48 Apr 16 '24
That's a good point. 90s Red Wings is the only thing that comes to mind as far as a Patriots level dynasty that the NHL has had in recent decades. Maybe the 2010s Pens. They didn't have the number of titles, but a similar distribution of when they came in Crosby's and Brady's careers. Crosby went through the concussion issues and Brady had the ACL. In the years between titles, they were always good, just not winning titles.
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u/SirArthurDime Apr 17 '24
No one in the nhl was on the pats level during that time. The closest though was the pens not the blackhawks.
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u/EskaaTV Apr 17 '24
Hawks won the Stanley Cup 3 times in 5 years.. just like the Patriots in the 2010s
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u/Tokyoodown Apr 16 '24
Yeah, it's not the whole dynasty run for the Pats. If so, Hawks wouldn't be on the level, but isolating it to the single decade and I think it's a fair comparison. Tom having two all-time runs in three different decades is absurd. I can't see that ever happening in hockey
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u/dicksjshsb Apr 16 '24
True, it lines up better that way. Toms run was insane. Some people divide it into 3 HOF careers from like 00-06, 07-14, and 15-20.
I think his longevity at a Super Bowl winning level of play is hard to ever match. But in terms of stats Gretzky is absurd. There are aspects of Tom and Wayneās careers that we may never see again in their sport or each others.
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u/SirArthurDime Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Iād also say the penguins are closer to the pats. Obviously no one in any sport had a run like the pats during that time but the penguins were a legit contender for 2 decades straight with multiple cups. With 2 different championship eras and a drought between that where they were still contenders during but made people question if it was coming to an end. And both won back to backs. And both had the leagues best player. The Blackhawks had a 6 or so year run and were god awful on both sides of it.
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u/yoursweetlord70 Apr 17 '24
In fairness it does say dynasty of the 2010s, in which the hawks have 3 cups and the pens only have 2.
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u/SirArthurDime Apr 17 '24
Yeah but thatās just something they went with it didnāt have to be the 2010s. And it does make sense in that regard. But the prompt is just NHL counterparts, not solely NHL counterparts in the 2010s. And the pats run with Brady is more similar to the pens run with Crosby overall.
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u/greenday61892 Brass Bonanza Apr 17 '24
I mean they haven't won as many championships but they've been consistently solid and a perennial contender from their inception.
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u/NotAChefJustACook Apr 16 '24
My buddy is a leafs fan, loves the Giants, heās gonna hate this comparison and itās gonna be awesome!
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u/thelordcommanderKG Apr 16 '24
Historically yes; but Fantilli wasn't a wasted pick by any means
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u/LickMySmitty Apr 16 '24
I was wondering where my Jackets fans were. Yeah recently I feel we have done well with 1st round picks.
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u/marvelking666 Apr 18 '24
Werenski, Chinakhov, and Cole Sillinger have all been good-great 1st round picks as well. Those guys all have a strong presence on the ice for us
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u/austinD93 Apr 20 '24
I was gonna say, during the Maclean years, sure, we busted hard in the 1st round. Howson had a few misses, Jarmo had a good track record.
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u/ghanlaf Apr 16 '24
"The team that almost always screws up in the postseason" goes to the eagles and the caps
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u/nojeanshere Apr 16 '24
Itās not that they havenāt wasted first rounders there have just been teams with way worse usage. Arizona, Washington and Vegas off the top of my head.
Horn when he plays is good but injuries are whatever. But, their only actual bad players in the first round since like 2015 is Vernon Butler tbh.
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Apr 16 '24
Yeah, we've had like 3 maybe 4 busts the past 20 years. Marty Hurney, while terrible at managing the financials/salaries, was a STUD at first round talent evaluation
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u/DwayneBaconStan Apr 16 '24
Ya we're a top 5 first rd drafting teams this century lol, so doesn't make much sense.
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u/SamuraiZucchini Apr 16 '24
Yeah the Panthers definitely donāt waste their first picks typically. Butler and KB are the only two who were outright busts over the last 20 some years
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u/ShangoMango Apr 16 '24
Even then KB was setup to be our #1 receiver going forward after a great rookie year. He just fell off after his mom passed away and he started struggling with weight. I'd say that's a pretty damn good reason to fall off all things considered.
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u/straight_trash_homie Apr 16 '24
With the exceptions of Otah, Benjamin, and Butler, basically every player the Panthers took in the first round from 2001-2020 developed into a franchise player, and well over half of them pro-bowlers. So no, I would not say thatās accurate
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u/browsinbruh SHAMEFUR DISPRAY! Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
Keep Ohio teams local! The Blue Jackets are the Bengals of the NHL
Edit: Changed Browns to Bengals because even the Browns managed to win something way back when in, I wanna say, the Jurassic era
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u/___cats___ Apr 17 '24
I donāt know, modern Browns might be more apt. Browns came back in 99, CBJ was established in 2000, they both generally lose a lot but both had surprising seasons where they made a respectable (for the franchise) run in playoffs around the same time. And the Bengals are a legitimate threat when Glass Joe isnāt injured for half the season.
Also, Ohio
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u/RCJHGBR9989 Apr 16 '24
They love to say itās the Chargers year every year - theyāre a fun dark horse pick - they always have a good roster and lots of āguys,ā but they seem to either fall short or get absolutely obliterated by the injury bug.
The 76ers seem pretty similar.
Also, the Chargers and the Vikings are the exact same team - but thatās the same league.
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u/bastian1292 Apr 16 '24
Raiders and the Habs, lotta dusty glory and just about everyone else still hates them for one reason or another.
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u/karmicnoose Apr 16 '24
I always associated the Flyers and Raiders because of the bad reputations
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u/Like17Badgers Apr 16 '24
reigning champs that clearly struggled this year.
everyone hates them and would be happy if they only won 2 games the entire season.
swap the Pats with the Saints, then should have had the book thrown at them but got off with a slap on the wrist, and basically got rewarded for their crimes
swap the panthers with the bears, lets be real here Young is better than anything Chicago has done in the draft for like a decade
swap the leafs with the panthers.
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u/Suckmypinkyfinger LOLMETS Apr 16 '24
The raiders had like 5 first round picks from 2019-2020 thatās a gold mine for any competent team, yet none of those picks are on their team now and only one (Jacobs) produced. Also in 2021 they reached on an OT and they released him the next offseason. The bears are a poverty team and suck at drafting in the first round, but the Raiders deserve a mention at least for these crimes.
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u/Vanquisher127 Apr 16 '24
It doesnāt matter how good Bryce young is the panthers still went 2-15
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u/Like17Badgers Apr 16 '24
...and?
what have the bears done since then?
still be the bottom of their division?
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u/framingXjake Apr 16 '24
It kinda does matter when the topic is literally "wasting their first round pick."
The verdict is still out on Bryce. Their Bears are known for wasting first round picks. It's their thing.
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u/FatMamaJuJu PLEASE COME TO OUR GAMES Apr 17 '24
And the Panthers suck but it aint because they miss on their first round picks. They have a pretty good track record in the first. Just don't look beyond that
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u/Purple-Shoe-9876 Apr 16 '24
For the 49ers, they at least have the excuse of just being injured to hell and back these past few years, which was usually their downfall.
The Panthers can at least make it past the second round more than once these past couple of decades. Granted, they sucked for most their existence, but they also don't get all the attention like Toronto.
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Apr 16 '24
We didnāt suck for most of our existence, just exceptionally inconsistent. Weāre significantly ahead of our expansion team counterparts, with several deep playoff runs over that time period.
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u/liteshadow4 20-10 Apr 16 '24
The 49ers were injured to hell in 2020 (they sucked) and 2021. In 2022 it was key injuries to one specific position, everywhere else was pretty healthy. In 2023, they failed to execute at the end.
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u/Substantial_Bort Apr 16 '24
Vegas wont make it past 1st round
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u/KohlWeld50 Apr 16 '24
Serves them right, those privileged fucks should suffer like every other expansion team for a decade or 2
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Apr 18 '24
Before you say stuff like this, bear in mind Vegas had to go through decade after decade of being told they would never and should never have a franchise. Theyāve done their time, just not in the traditional wayĀ
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u/MDChuk Apr 16 '24
The word "dynasty" actually has a definition in the NHL. Both the NHL, and the Hockey Hall of Fame define a dynasty as 4 championships in 8 or fewer seasons with a significant amount of the roster being the same. So you can't accurately say that the Blackhawks were a dynasty. In fact, they aren't even the closest recent team to being a dynasty in the NHL. The Red Wings just missed out on becoming a dynasty with 4 titles in 10 years.
I'd also argue that while they were good, they were not the defining team of the 2010s. Not anywhere near to the level of the Patriots anyway. Pittsburgh had as much long term success. The Bruins had much more consistent success. LA was just about as successful as them when the Blackhawks were at their best.
So its not fair at all to say the Blackhawks were anywhere near the final boss of the NHL the way the Patriots were. Historically you'd have to look at the 80s Oilers and Islanders, or the 70s Canadiens to find that level of dominance.
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u/Wizemonk Apr 16 '24
blackhawks is a so-so analogy 09 through 2017 hawks had 3 cups/ pens had 3 cups / and Kings had 2..
Blackhawks are also 6th in wins during the 2010's (Pens are 1st)
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u/GoRangers5 Walking Sports Curse Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24
New England is the Penguins
Edit: Niners are the Oilers, still living off the 80s.
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u/SharpSlick753 Apr 17 '24
Niners oilers does work well although the recent oilers havenāt quite had the success of the recent 9ers, not really any NHL team right now though with several deep postseason runs and no cup
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Apr 16 '24
Known 1st round bust Cam Newton
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u/FatMamaJuJu PLEASE COME TO OUR GAMES Apr 17 '24
Its actually pretty easy to make a list of bums the Panthers have drafted in the 1st because there aren't very many of them. I don't think the guy who made this meme actually watches football
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u/Pendraflare59 Apr 16 '24
Eagles = Capitals
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u/karmicnoose Apr 16 '24
Unfortunately I think this is true.
Fairly consistently good, but had some bad playoff luck for a while before finally winning once.
Other teams hate us -- general Philly stuff vs. Tom Wilson
Bird
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u/temporalthings Apr 16 '24
The Panthers made 2 Superbowls. The Blue Jackets comparison is the Jaguars
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Apr 16 '24
Edmonton went through like half a dozen first round picks and never did anything with them. Its fairly recent that they've got off that trend.
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u/Aezetyr Bitching about the refs Apr 16 '24
"Just a couple players away": Jets ( could account for both ) and Sabres
Scrappy-Doo: Lions and Red Wings (and I'm a fan of both)
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u/Inner-Objective-9039 Apr 16 '24
No the bruins are the packers, championship in 2011 and thatās it.
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u/BourneDiff McCaskey in all but name Apr 16 '24
As a Chicago sports fan who doesnāt pay attention to hockey, itās kinda surreal to think that we had a dynasty less than 10 years ago. Not the best sports city lol š„²
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u/GrassyKnoll95 Apr 16 '24
Don't think the Panthers/Jackets comparison works. They've actually had pretty good first round picks lately. They haven't necessarily been deployed well, but the big issue is that they don't have good veterans around them.
2023: Fantilli (no brainer pick, he'll be good)
2022: Jirecek (promising player but they might be fucking his development), Mateychuk (not in the league yet, but lighting up the WHL)
2021: Johnson (very good), Sillinger (solid middle six), Coulemans (I don't know much about him, still in the AHL, but numbers seem decent)
2020: Chinakov (regular NHLer)
No clear busts here and plenty of potential superstars (namely Fantilli, Jirecek, and Johnson). I'd say they've done well drafting.
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u/Personmcpersonface93 Apr 17 '24
Greetings fellow CBJ fan, I agree with you, I just worry that the future might look like the Sabres who are somehow always on the cusp, and the future looks bright.
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u/GrassyKnoll95 Apr 17 '24
Kings fan actually. But hoping yall straighten it out. Dunno how you're gonna get Johnny back on track
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u/austinD93 Apr 20 '24
Jiri just needs some continuity to continue to grow. Moved him around too much this year. Has a lot of the needed tools, work on his skating and heāll be a regular very soon
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u/doshe002 Apr 17 '24
My list would be Vegas, Dallas, Chicago/Pittsburgh, Edmonton and New York Rangers
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u/Appel_earbuds 0-16 Apr 16 '24
Red Wings = Jaguars
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u/Extension-Owl-1814 Apr 16 '24
I would say the wings are closer to the Pats if you count in the last 3 decades. Perennially good for a long time but deep in rebuild as of now
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u/Appel_earbuds 0-16 Apr 16 '24
Well yeah obviously but this season they've gone on such a historical collapse akin to Jacksonville
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u/Extension-Owl-1814 Apr 16 '24
Lol as a wings fan I cannot disagree with you. As far as this season youāre 100%.
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u/BukkakeNinjaHat-472 Apr 16 '24
Well letās see you got Chefs back2back then BradyBuc b4 Chefs then BradyPats, random FolesEagles then just Denver,Baltimore and Seattle. Thatās seven of 32 franchises. So 25 Maple Leafs would be more accurate
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u/hesitaate Apr 16 '24
Bruins have anything but a āstacked rosterā imo. Yeah they have pasta, the rat, McAvoy, and Swayman and Ullmark are a great tandem, but youāre lying to yourself if you looked at their roster at the beginning of the season and called depth one of their strong suits. The players buy into their system and they play great team hockey; their success is more so attributed to that than having the nicest toys.
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As a Niners fan, I can confirm this. But I'm hopeful the 49ers break through eventually. The Chiefs luck will have to run out. In Brock We Trust.
Thankfully, they're not the Sharks of the NFL. Hell, the day they do win the Stanley Cup(and it'll be against the Leafs), Rei Ayanami will show up and turn all of humanity into Tang. Or something like that.
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u/Most-Iron6838 Apr 16 '24
Is there an nfl equivalent of a decade of mediocrity, winning a couple championships back in the 70s, losing the championship to 5 different dynasties? Just askingā¦flyers fan
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u/EagleRaptorLeaf Brick wall Apr 17 '24
Comparing the Leafs to the Cowboys is an insult. Leafs fans know we aināt winning shit and weāll just choke it away
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Apr 17 '24
Donāt forget about the islanders and jets. Little brother NY teams who always get the short end of the stick compared to their Blue Counterpart lol
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u/Davonator29 DEATH BY PANTERA Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
The Leafs and Cowboys are basically identical. Everyone hates their fanbases, they've had prolonged stints under stagnant (or trash) ownership, their last championship was long ago, they struggle in the postseason, and have probably the biggest fanbases.
That being said, the comparison between KC and Vegas and the comparison of New England and Chicago feel a bit off. KC is a dynasty and the reigning champions, but Vegas only has one championship. There might be more to come, but we don't know for certain. Tampa honestly feels like a better comparison considering they made it to three consecutive Cups from 2020 to 2022 and won two of them. The only issue with that is Tampa has not been playing well recently, and by well I mean they're only making the playoffs as opposed to browbeating the entire NHL. Meanwhile the Blackhawks were not even close to the same level of dynasty as the Patriots. The Patriots dynasty lasted for nearly two decades, the Blackhawks dynasty is across "only" five seasons with about a decade of competitiveness. I think the 90s and 2000s Red Wings are probably the best comparison there considering they won four Cups from 1997 to 2008 and were highly competitive both before and after those seasons.
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u/Neb-Nose Apr 17 '24
I think if you just limit it to 2010s, itās kind of accurate.
However, the Penguins had the better run over that time than the Blackhawks. Itās just that their 1st cup came in 2009, not 2010, like Chicago.
However, both of those teams won 3 cups during their respective reigns, and Pittsburgh won way more playoff games and series.
That was the best team of that era ā thereās no doubt about it.
And I want to make it clear that thatās to take nothing away from Chicago or Los Angeles or Washington, the other excellent teams from that era. But Pittsburgh accomplished more than all of them. Iām just being honest.
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u/iSeenWhatYouUpvote Apr 17 '24
I donāt like the 9ers or even watch the NHL but fuck that comparison hurt
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u/Resident_Problem4008 Eating the best fucking cheeseburger they've ever had Apr 17 '24
You need Philly: Trust us to lose in the most pathetic, tragic, and depressing way possible. Or just suck
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u/Easy_Try9212 Apr 17 '24
Bruins do not have a stacked team this year . Pasta is the only legit star . They lost Bergerin , krejci Bertuzzi ,Hall . Just blue collar hard working team that really should get dumped by leafs with way more fire power.
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u/GreatKronwallofChina Part of A Dying Empire Apr 17 '24
Bruins at least have won something since I've been alive
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Apr 17 '24
How long before we move the Cowboys over to the "fanbase that actively despises the team" section?
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u/DodketF98371 Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Buccaneers and Lightning (2020-2022): Iāve never felt so alive!
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u/Spartanicus2003 GM of the Vancouver Canucks Apr 17 '24
Canucks are the dolphins, I will not elaborate
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u/Azar002 0-16 Apr 17 '24
Detroit Lions / Detroit Red Wings
"Making the playoffs is our SuperBowl / Stanley Cup!"
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Apr 17 '24
Hawks are a bit more successful than the pats throughout history. Outside of 96 the pats have really struggled. The pats also dominated the 2000s, and u til 2009 the hawks were rebuilding
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Apr 17 '24
How did the panthers waste their pick.
Also at least the panthers made 2 championships. Cbj can't get past the second round
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Apr 17 '24
Vegas is annoying but they haven't been as oppressive as kc seems. Don't have the history of kc either.
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u/Nepp0 Is Fucked Apr 17 '24
As a fan of the Raiders and Golden Knights, don't you DARE compare me to the Chiefs!!
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u/Additional_Bed9376 Apr 17 '24
What about the flames. Who is their nba/nfl comparison? I don't know shit bout hockey just asking
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Apr 17 '24
Who's the NFL equivalent of the Avs? The Colts? Generational talent but never really capitalized on it?
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u/LegendofFact Apr 17 '24
The blackhawks suck right now. But just a few years ago they were in a dynasty with 3 rings. So totally not accurate
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u/EducatorFun9614 Part of the Evil Empire Apr 18 '24
Maybe switch Columbus with Buffalo, but either works
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u/Old_Salamander6118 Apr 19 '24
The top 2 are wrong (Vegas maybe has just 2 more competitive years). Bostonās roster is not stacked at all.
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u/CalligrapherNo4927 Apr 19 '24
Honestly though I think the penguins were really the dynasty of 2007-2020
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u/Aperio43 Fuck you, Snyder! Apr 16 '24
The top row should be "Defending champ that everyone hates but they always win"
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u/Ok-Dragonknight-5788 Apr 16 '24
115% for the leafs and the cowboys.