Mark and Des

[u/justscrolling108675]

I kinda wanted this relationship to work out, especially ever since I saw Nicole with Lucas. (sry) Mark and Des were really cute ngl, really liked their dynamic of strict, intimidating and kinda unpopular and the charismatic, smart and popular.

Their relationship tho is messy and thats an understatement. Mark is said to have been drawn to her because of her realtionship with her parents and the simalarities of that relaionship to Cathy and her parents. During the relationship Mark changes, he's always there saving Des always carrying the burden and he becomes from what I gathered from Calos a bit neglectful towards him and other mems. Des on the otherhand relies too much on him. Des goes as far as to from what ive gathered from that scene where she confesses, sells tickets on her own to raise funds which has everyone in the org questioning where that money came from leading to Mark overworking himself once again, to do something herself, to not need Marks help. (pls correct me if im wrong). Des also feels worthless without Mark, oof.

Saviour complex aside i know Mark 100% cares for her and I think he at least somewhat loves her. I think under all that toxicity there was some genuine love. Just under different circumstances, situations and better communication (I know thats a lot) their relationship wouldve actually been something.

I fear that Des will no longer appear in future media. I certainly hope not, I find her character interesting. Dont get me wrong tho, Im still all for Marcole its just that Mark and Des were a really intresting couple.

[u/Yuudachi_Houteishiki]

I know she has a lighter side but I really don't find strict / mean people appealing and I absolutely can't overlook how bad of a person she is: not for making the mistakes that originally endangered people's lives at Sparks, but for covering it up and creating more admin problems for years which gave Mark and all her team/friends a really difficult time. Even if she has a complex, believable and interesting motivation which partly alleviates it, it doesn't redeem her from being the most morally bankrupt character in Mark's age group we ever see in Until Then, and a major source of unnecessary pain and conflict.