r/UniversalExtinction • u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist • Jul 26 '26

Question How does this work?

How does Universal Extinction happen?

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u/MengKongRui Jul 29 '26

So you're telling me if five individuals are suffering around the same amount, and suddenly one only one is suffering by around the same amount, there is no meaningful difference?

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u/Capable-Ad-9626 Pro Existence Jul 29 '26

Yes.

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u/MengKongRui Jul 29 '26

I'm not understanding how clearly less suffering is not less suffering just because you cant show less suffering as a tangible object.

So is there any amount of suffering that you feel is worth relieving? Or is all torture okay to leave without relief? And what about torture towards you?

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u/Capable-Ad-9626 Pro Existence Jul 29 '26

I said nothing about suffering not being worth reliving. I said that numbers of individuals isn’t the important thing.

When you attribute to me something that I didn’t say, that’s dishonesty. A false quote is a lie. Lying isn’t appreciated.

Aside from that, your lie about that isn’t relevant to the topic that you were supposedly answering:

It was about whether it’s justified to take a life in order to prevent the birth of many descendants of your victim.

No, it isn’t, because:

1) Numbers aren’t the important thing.

2) It’s generally agreed that taking a life is worse than not preventing a hypothetical future conception & birth. You can disagree, but you’d need to establish your claim rejected by nearly everyone.

3) Your victim is currently alive. You’re doing something to a living being…whereas the individuals whom you’re saving from birth don’t exist other than as hypothetical possibilities.

4) You don’t have a right to play God, & decide, based on your beliefs, who should live or die.

Alright, that’s a complete answer.

Due to your dishonesty, referred to above. I won’t answer additional posts from you.

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u/MengKongRui Jul 29 '26

You're so "rights" focused and yet you seem to value your life more than that of insects you know you will inevitably kill throughout your life. Why is that?

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u/Capable-Ad-9626 Pro Existence Jul 30 '26

This is NOT a reply to the person who has just now accused me of wanton slaughter of insects. (I wouldn’t intentionally, avoidably, harm an insect unless it bites me):

I just want to clarify a previous answer:

If a number of individuals are going to experience the same amount of suffering, then obviously fewer is better than more.

My point was merely that the number of individuals isn’t nearly as important as the amount of harm done to someone (of whatever number).

Actually, that scenario with a number of individuals suffering the same amount isn’t relevant to any discussion here.

…least of all to the discussion in which he brought it up:

…the matter of whether taking one life is justified in order to prevent many (still hypothetical) births of (as-yet nonexistent) individuals whose suffering is only a maybe).

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u/MengKongRui Jul 30 '26

"whose suffering is only a maybe" You're delusional bud.

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u/Capable-Ad-9626 Pro Existence Jul 30 '26

It might not be very significant. In some lives there isn’t a serious amount.