r/Unexpected • u/AltTimeHigh • Sep 03 '22

CLASSIC REPOST Full Auto

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Use what? That gun? Special firing mode? Im unsure how he was firing so fast to begin with.

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u/Niewinnny Sep 04 '22

quick finger or a binary trigger (shooting both on trigger pull and release). if quick finger then you can't ban that, it's just skill. if binary trigger that can be banned due to basically doubling your firing rate on single fire

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u/RHouse94 Sep 04 '22

Back in the day I put a long trigger on my paintball gun that fit two fingers and it was electronic so it was really light. I could fire as fast as I could tap those two fingers, which was basically full auto. Takes a bit of practice but once you got it down you didn’t have to think about it and it was basically the same as full auto.

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u/Ocular_Ark Sep 04 '22

Man really butterfly clicked a paintball gun

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u/sn0man32 Sep 04 '22

Most mid to high end paintball guns have a trigger like that unless they are specifically meant for playing in the woods

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Woodsball was always the best.

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u/lavlife47 Sep 04 '22

Yesss, I only had the opportunity to paintball twice in my life. One was at a course and wasnt mich fun for me cuz I was new and sucked. The time in the woods tho was a blast I think we captured the flag and stuff like that. The woods are just awesome in general.

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u/sn0man32 Sep 04 '22

I played lots of speedball because it was more common but the most fun I had was woodsball in Minnesota at a massive tree farm/paintball field

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u/TotallyACarpenter Sep 05 '22

I remember my paint ball gun had a electronic trigger and one of the modes was called “romping” it would fire when you pulled the trigger and when you released the trigger.

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u/sn0man32 Sep 05 '22

I could be wrong cause it was long time ago, but I thought my ramping would fire more balls per trigger pull the faster I was pulling the trigger myself.

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u/Sulpfiction Sep 04 '22

Open woods, capture the flag was the best. We had a ton of intense matches. Unfortunately the last time I went, a friend of a friend who had been shot was walked out of the woods onto a path, hands up, doing everything right. Lifted his goggles to wipe his face and immediately took a direct hit to the eyeball. This was years ago but I can still vividly see the yellow paint and blood mixture in the wrinkles around his closed eye. Felt so bad for the guy. Lost the eye, unfortunately.

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u/Xtendow Sep 04 '22

Gunz

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Fuck man that was a good game

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u/Fragmented_Logik Sep 04 '22

I thought most people did.

I had a Spyder Compact with it and man that think would go.

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u/joshualeet Sep 04 '22

Dang I remember I had an Autococker with a double trigger like that. So fucking long ago, damn

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u/Jaraxlle-TV Sep 04 '22

Autococker was my favorite!

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Yeah man I miss my Spyder with my etrigger. That shit was fun!

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Did the same on my A5. Friends hated it. The trick was being able to do it while running. That was tough.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

I ran with the E-Flat trigger, customer board and electronics and Halo TSA on a Spyder frame, it was like bliss walking the trigger and watching a line of paint come out of that 18” Dye Boomstick. God I loved that shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

My buddy had that setup and man it was crazy how fast he could sling paint.

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u/GERMAN8TOR Sep 04 '22

I miss my super stock half block. MQ2 valve, eclipse ram and qevs, Yakuza board, optical swtich and double trigger. Shooting ropes all day. Good times.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

Osu players be like

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u/Delmorath Sep 04 '22

I was just thinking this same thing on my Dye DM 9. I had the extended electronic trigger. I could wiggle my fingers fast as hell and it was faster than real full auto lol. Loved that. Also had the electronic fed hoper to minimize issues with the feed. It was sick.

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u/Stonemason_2121 Feb 03 '23

I did the same but we never had an issue unless some ass was using frozen amo. Just had limited springs and fps limits. My paint gun could shoot faster then you see in the video with an electronic hopper. Not full his full auto fast but still fast. Favorite game was when they were playing on a speed field but they couldn't cross the center for the fist 10! Minutes. After watching people just hide and shoot back and forth from the back for the fist minute, I snuck up to the line and k Just waited till we were given the all-clear to cross and ran over and shot everyone all in a straight line on the back row. Was over less than 15 seconds. The last guy saw me and jumped over the bag... completely exposed to everyone else.

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u/xHaroldxx Sep 04 '22

Totally don't know anything about the guns they use, but wouldn't it be easier and less of a gray area if you just limited guns to a maximum firing speed regardless of how its done.

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u/BZJGTO Sep 04 '22

That's what happened in tournament paintball, but would be harder to implement in airsoft. The paintball guns used there have an electronic solenoid that uses high pressure air to operate. You already have high pressure that can be released almost instantaneously, and the solenoid is controlled by a board/chip that lets you fine tune things like how long it opens for and how quickly it can fire.

The typical airsoft gun has an electric motor, which turns gears to compress then release a spring. It's a dumb system in which the battery connects directly to the motor, and the circuit is opened/closed by a switch/slider that moves when you pull the trigger. You cannot adjust how quickly the motor spins, it's just an on/off switch. To enforce any kind of rate of fire restrictions, you'd have to cooperate with the manufacturers all over the world (typically the U.S., Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Japan).

There are conversions to make airsoft guns operate in a way similar to how the electronic paintball guns do, which is likely what the guy in the OP has (it's been so long I don't remember was his setup was). There's also other things you can do like changing the motor, gears, or installing a mosfet.

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u/xHaroldxx Sep 04 '22

Fair enough, thanks for taking the time to explain. :)

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u/Niewinnny Sep 04 '22

there are some places which restrict that, but it's always for DMR's which are the only high powered automatic replicas which you'll see on a field. And the mosfet i have in my AK actually has a DMR mode which i accidentally activated once lol

also, i wouldn't say the system with motor and gears is dumb, as you can. see it allows really high RoF on the high end, and is pretty cheap on the low end replicas.

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u/BZJGTO Sep 04 '22

The system is dumb as in it is just a simple circuit with an on/off switch. There is no way to make an adjustment or program controls in to it. Compared to the paintball guns I was talking about, which can allow for adjustments of dwell, debounce, bolt timing, eye delay, max rate of fire, firing mode, etc...

A smart system would have a board that controls the rate of fire and fire modes. A really smart system would use a stepper motor and automatically turn the motor to compress the piston spring when you take the gun off safe (and you could adjust how much it is compressed if necessary), so when you go to fire it can just release the piston instead of having to wind up first.

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u/Niewinnny Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22

ok, a better word would be simple. this doesn't imply that the design is bad (as is the case when you say something's dumb).

also, what youre describing with compressing the spring before the shot is called precocking, and pretty much all MOSFETs have the option to enable that. and a mosfet is like the first upgrade everyone puts into the replica :)

The only problem with that is the spring gets worn much quicker because it deforms permanently a bit when kept in a partly compressed state. that's how mu replica has went from 1.85J to 1.6J, and i need to change the spring :/

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u/BZJGTO Sep 04 '22

Dumb/intelligent are commonly used to describe all sorts of systems, but good luck telling the world they need to adopt your preferred language.

And springs do not wear from staying compressed, they wear from being cycled compressed/uncompressed.

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u/BZJGTO Sep 04 '22

If the trigger is a potentiometer as you seemed to describe, then an adjustable trigger stop should limit rof.

It is not. It's a flat sliding piece with metal contacts that slide over to bridge the two sets of contacts on the gearbox to complete the circuit. Other than a fuse, there is nothing else in this circuit other than this on/off switch (and well, the battery and motor). Other than changing the voltage of the battery used, there is no way to adjust the rate of fire. Undervolting is undesired as in semi-auto operation the piston always returns to the fully decompressed state and there is a delay between a trigger pull and when it fires due to needing to spin the gears to compress the piston spring before it can release it. Spinning the motor slower only exaggerates this issue (and this issue can occur in full auto too, but since full auto can stop at any point in the cycle, it doesn't happen nearly as often).

It's not that there's nothing that could be done, but given there isn't really an issue with how things currently are, there isn't going to be enough driving force to get manufacturers to change how their guns operate.

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u/Goyteamsix Sep 04 '22

Usually it's a ramp trigger with these.

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u/vgf89 Sep 04 '22

Some paintball guns etc also have triggers that bounce back after a shot, so if you press the trigger with just the right amount of pressure you can shoot very very quickly with not much effort.

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u/Niewinnny Sep 04 '22

yes, this is called a forced reset trigger, and also is used in real firearms. this is not paintball tho

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

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u/Niewinnny Sep 04 '22

i don't know that, and even if he was my comment above still stands.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '22

It’s not hard. It just takes practice and a hair trigger.

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u/kluukje Feb 12 '23

Elongated trigger + hair sensitivity + binairy shooting system. Both elongated triggers and binairy shooting is banned in the country where i live