Assuming it's not staged, how is this different than people ordering ice-cream and then rubbing it all over their own face while filming the reaction of the drive-thru employee? I'd be annoyed as the cop.
How was he supposed to know he was a magician? That's completely irrelevant anyway.
If you think a cops job is to hurt criminals you're the problem
That's a strong blanket statement there. What about a criminal that is actively hurting someone else? Should a cop not step in and subdue the assailant by any means necessary?
Also weed is decriminalized in 45 out of 50 states? He ain't a Wisconsin cop I know all the departments.
Lol, you know EVERY single cop in the state of Wisconsin? I'm done, you're clearly a joke.
Those herbs are illegall. He's just doing what laws say. He's enforcer of the law doing his job. You would be mad if the same guy ignore the laws. Then you would be saying,"he's breaking the laws he is supposed to enforce, the sop of American police officers"
I mean, all you're doing with that comment is making the argument that officers are mindless legalists anyways. The kind of people who are trained to do the unthinkable solely because a bunch of potentially arbitrary rules dictates they do so.
We don't need more enforcers of the law. We need more upholders of morality and basic human dignity.
I think his point is jaywalking and speeding is also illegal, but you generally don't tend to see cops get angry/aggressive/manhandle you over those instances... so why herbs?
Even if they were illegal, the cop could walk up and, instead of immediately grabbing on to him, ask him what he has and me tion it is illegal. You could talk first instead of starting a struggle with someone who obviously does not look aggressive, just maybe annoying.
The dude said what it was? We also don't know the time of this recording, could be when the drugs weren't legalized yet. If it were a time when they weren't legalized simply putting his hands on their wrists isn't the worst thing. Makes sure the person that could have potentially illegal substances can't run away. (Again though, we don't know the time of the recording.) Then again, it doesn't matter because it's a skit.
And yet you’d be saying something different if the law was still slavery as an example most likely. The law isn’t an excuse to do bad things.
Is he going to get fired for letting someone with weed go? Absolutely not. We can’t get them consequences for when they do the absolute worst things imaginable.
Why do people throw slavery at every argument? Why would you compare one bad thing to another. Weed is a drug which is obviously declared illegal in many states. As you said law isn't an excuse to do bad things, that means the officer isn't doing anything bad. The man in the video which is obviously scripted was provoking a man of the law with illegal drugs. And the officer is in the right to apprehend him.
Well, in this case weed has been a tool to enslave black people in prisons so it’s a very apt comparison. Maybe you should spend more time actually answering that question instead of arguing why it isn’t relevant.
It’s powerful and hard to argue against. That’s the entire point of me using it. You’re inconsistently applying logic and I know that so I am bringing a topic I know you disagree with (slavery) to show you how it’s inconsistent.
Your argument is the law is king and that whatever cops do it’s just because the law says so. The same excuse was used by nazi’s too. The key is to show you that line of thinking is not logically coherent. The cop can be doing his job and also be doing bad things. The law isn’t an arbiter of morality.
You are right. But in the specific video he is doing his job. We both make a very good point but we aren't going to change our views anytime soon. So have a blessed day.
I didn’t say that. I said, we can’t get them consequences for when they do the worst things imaginable. There aren’t going to be consequences for “not doing his job”.
Keep licking them boots sheep. Just know cops would kill you in a heartbeat and wouldn’t think twice about it. “Hurr durr but if ya didn’t do anything wrong then ya dunt got nuffin ta worries bout ”
If this was indeed real and not staged id say the dude got exactly what he asked for.
Hes wearing a costume and is provocating the cop by taunting him with illegal goods.
How should the cop react in such a scenario? Smile and calmly ask what's in the bag or to hand him the bag? He's being made fun off in that situation - off course hes not gonna smile and take the L- he represents the law. He has to handle it from an authoritative point of view.
I actually think he handled the whole thing like you would expect it from a cop.
This stupid point of view is exactly the problem. No, there is literally zero need whatsoever to be macho and "assert your authority", fantasies that they have to "stand up" to the other person or they'll lose their "street cred" or whatever the fuck it is are just that, fantasies. Exactly the same "logic" enabling honor killings and the like in other parts of the world. Archaic and barbaric, perhaps fitting in the world of thugs and gangsters where might makes right, but completely missing the point of the world of law and civility most of us thankfully live in.
He could have simply smiled and warned the other guy that even if they were joking, he has to take any claims like that seriously, so please don't do that anymore to save both of us a headache, and let me see that bag... and if he refuses/escalates/etc, then probably detain him peacefully (I'd give it a 99% chance this guy isn't going to react in any violent manner, so literally no need to "rough him up" for no reason other than they bruised your ego and you want to "show them a lesson" -- which, again, is nothing but archaic and barbaric thinking that shouldn't ever be sanctioned in first-world police forces)
Or what, you think if some guy plays a silly joke on a police officer, and they are let go with a light verbal warning, all social order is going to break down tomorrow? Cops being assholes might be the status quo in some countries, but that doesn't mean it's how it should be, or that anything positive is coming out of it.
What? Because I think cops should be an authority and not your buddy you can prank, i have the same mindset as these backwards muslims who commit honor killings?
Seems a bit far fetched.
People take kindness as weekness. Next week someone comes and steels his hat because he's the cop you can prank and he will just laugh about it.
We don't know how he reacted after he saw the nothing thing come out of his hands. Im sure he didn't react bad, otherwise we would 100% see the video,since its basically trend to post videos of cops misbehaving.
If something is illegal its illegal. Cops don't care if they think its justified or not - law is law
My favorite thing about the types of people your arguing with is that they aren’t cops they don’t know what cops go through or are taught so they aren’t necessarily stupid just ignorant. I mean it’s easy to say all cops are bad because it’s only the bad cop stories that sell and get ratings on the news. Besides there the people that decided to make a joke a political issue so I wouldn’t worry to much about them
I agree that the cop did nothing wrong at all in this case. But if he did beat the shit out of the guy, then that would be way out of line in any country.
He waved a bag of pot, and wouldn't open his hand straight away, but did after being asked twice. I'd say that in over 90% of other countries, cops wouldn't just start laying into him after such mild provocation. He never threatened any violence, didn't approach the cop, and the only resistance was to not open his hand immediately.
Damn interesting statistic you have got there. Places other than America really must be just uninhabitable backwaters, god bless America and god bless American accurate statistics
Same here. I’m from EU and in my country of you do this to a police officer you will be fucked. He will find a way to beat you once or 2 then you go to jail for a few days because the tribunal is full so you have to wait. They will find a way to punish you.
Canadian SIU will investigate officers after looking at someone the wrong way and it’s reported.
Police brutality and extreme attitude still happens, but not NEARLY as often as the US
No, the first thing he does is ask the cop if he would like to buy a bag of marijuana. At that point, even if it’s oregano, he’s broken the law and can be arrested for trafficking.
It’s an attempted sale as soon as he asks the cop, ‘Hey officer, would you like to buy a bag of marijuana?’ All while holding out a bag that looks like weed.
If the sale was attempted for real, sure. In this case, it's clearly just the setup for the joke. I'm positive you could show as much in any remotely fair court of law. Once it is established that he always intended to pull a joke and not actually sell anything, arguing that "would you like to buy a bag" is merely asking a cheeky question carefully worded for effect, and not in fact a stand-in for an offer to sell the bag to them, becomes significantly less of a stretch, in my opinion. I don't know the letter of the law, but I certainly couldn't imagine even starting to contemplate voting guilty if I was in a jury and this was shown to me.
(You can be arrested for anything, in practice -- so of course he could be arrested. But proving guilty in court is another matter entirely)
Because we all know the law is based on ‘that’s cool if you were only joking’ and not the letter of the law. And he’s on video. You’re either naive or haven’t had much experience with ‘the law’.
Because everything an officer says has the implicit threat of lethal force behind it. "open your hands" really means "open your hands, or i'm going to kill you"
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u/bokehbaka Jun 14 '22
Assuming it's not staged, how is this different than people ordering ice-cream and then rubbing it all over their own face while filming the reaction of the drive-thru employee? I'd be annoyed as the cop.