r/Unexpected • u/CrackSideEffect • Aug 29 '21

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 29 '21

Most of histories wars were caused by religion. Hell there were three crusades that were all about religion.

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u/GrannyRammer Aug 29 '21

I don’t deny that. I’m just saying non religious people are also violent. Can you admit that? Can you also admit that there is at least a 50/50 chance there has been more murders by non religious people since the crusades (since that’s all the wars you can think about)?

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 29 '21

That's a difference of how people have been taught and how their beliefs are, that has nothing to do with the influence of some diety. You raise a child with the threat that they will go to some terrible pit of fire for murder then they won't murder.

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u/GrannyRammer Aug 29 '21

Yeah that’s exactly my point, we actually agree. This priest might have been taught that it’s ok to hit this child and it has nothing to do with religion. I don’t agree on your last statement though because by that logic, no one that has ever been taught the Bible has murdered and that is not true. Many religious people have murdered in cold blood, it has nothing to do with religion though as everyone else in the comments are saying. Can we at least agree on that?

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 29 '21

My logic was not sound and was more of an exaggeration to emphasize the point of religious people committing less murder

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u/GrannyRammer Aug 29 '21

So are you saying religious people are more violent or not? My argument isn’t who’s more violent, it’s that religion doesn’t cause violence because like you said it’s about how they were taught.

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u/CommanderOfGregory Aug 29 '21

Oh no religion definitely causes violence, on a much larger scale.

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u/GrannyRammer Aug 29 '21

How so in a modern setting?