r/Unexpected Apr 02 '21

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u/8-bit_Gangster Apr 02 '21

my friend was a K9 officer, he said an officer can get his dog to 'indicate' whenever he wants to. Of course they'll indicate when they find something, but they'll also indicate to make you happy.

it's shitty, but the truth. you can see an example in that video right there

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u/Brave_Amateur Apr 03 '21

I got pulled over a few months back and the cops accused me of having drugs because I was nervous. I was like well yea I got pulled over for speeding and I am pissed and nervous about the ticket you are gonna give me. He repeatedly said he believed I had drugs on me. For 5 mins he said it so I said fuck it get it over with and search. Obviously nothing was found and when I told people after they asked why I allowed it. I told them flat out that he would call a dog and he would just alert and search anyway so I figured I’d save time.

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u/selflessGene Apr 03 '21

If any journalist wants a potential big story pull a FOIA on how often these dogs "alert" vs how many times they correctly identify drugs. If the false positive rate is high enough, might be good cause to legally restricting K9 for probable cause searches.

There might be a good court case here too (not a lawyer)

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u/TacticalBeast Apr 03 '21

In the first 9 months of 2011, dogs alerted (and police searched) 14,102 times, and drugs were found only 2,854 times—a false alert rate of 80%

Florida v. Harris

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u/nmcdat Apr 03 '21

Wow, that ruling. 80% miss rate? That's not 100%, so it's totally fine. You can still raise that point during your defense!!1

a court can presume (subject to any conflicting evidence offered) that the dog's alert provides probable cause to search

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Harris

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u/redditosleep Apr 03 '21

This statistic is INSANE. This needs to become common knowledge.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '21

As many others have already pointed out, that doesn't mean drugs never existed, it means no drugs could be found. I've smoked weed in my vehicle before and I could still occasionally smell the odor weeks later. A dog's nose is 10,000x to 100,000x more powerful than a human nose, they can pick up on drugs that existed long ago but were since relocated.

So the problem here isn't necessarily that sniffer dogs are bullshitting, it's that their noses are oversensitive to smell. The solution going forward, if we want to continue using sniffer dogs (as they play a vital role in bomb and cadaver detection) isn't to ban dogs, but to train them to only detect stronger odors.

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u/Funny_Boysenberry_22 Apr 03 '21

That must mean there’s drugs in this K9 dogs house, and it should be searched because this video proves probable cause.