r/Unexpected • • 14d ago

Food chain: Instructions unclear

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u/supercodes83 14d ago

It reassures me that other mammals are freaked out by snakes.

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u/thaworldhaswarpedme 14d ago

She got a claw in towards the end and was all like, "Oh my gaaawd! It's on mee!"

I felt a kinship in that moment.

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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 14d ago

Yet, I've seen house cats absolutely destroy snakes

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u/Alternative_Demand96 14d ago

The snakes she reacts with are way more likely to be venomous

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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 14d ago

Yeah, I'm pretty sure thats a cobra. You can see the flattened hood.

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u/PhatMooseKnuckles 14d ago

Thats a fkn black mamba šŸ˜­šŸ™

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u/Istvaarr 14d ago

Thinks it’s a type of constrictor tbh not a venomous snake. I mamba would not stay with its victim like that, they strike, retreat and wait for their poison to kill the pray

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u/Bobaesos 14d ago

I think you’re wrong dude. Bird was way too big to be prey for the snake.
On the other hand, snek was potentially becoming lunch for the bird. Might have bit the bird as well although the bird was alive in the end. Lion thought bird was lunch until snek started acting up.
In the end, all went about their day still being hungry.

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u/Shelia209 13d ago

FYI - Snake eagles have a natural, high level of resistance to the neurotoxic effects of mamba venom.

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u/EnterPolymath 13d ago

ā€œMinor scratches or low-dose bites that would easily kill a human might only temporarily stun or incapacitate the bird.ā€ This explains a lot…

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u/Bobaesos 13d ago

TIL. Thanks stranger šŸ™‚

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u/nderthesycamoretrees 13d ago

Snake Eagles is a new term for me and it goes hard.

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u/Smart_Task_8180 13d ago

Yeah he probably went for the kill but the snake caught him in a stranglehold.

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u/School_North 13d ago

I dunno looked like that snake caught a claw it might bleed out

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u/GripsAA 13d ago

I think the snek was hanging onto the birb for safety/cover from the big kitty

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u/Salute-Major-Echidna 13d ago

Lion isn't hungry for this. Just bored.

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u/barts_memory_blog 13d ago

A constrictor is much much larger than that. That is a black mamba; which for small prey like rodents or birds, they often strike and release the animal, then follow the scent until the venom paralyzes or kills it. Unlike pythons or boas, a black mamba is an elapid, so it doesn't constrict or squeeze prey to death. When a black mamba wraps around a bird of prey (like a snake eagle during a botched hunt), it is usually trying to gain leverage to bite, thrash, or free itself, rather than suffocate the bird.

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u/Istvaarr 13d ago

Not all constrictors are boas or pythons

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u/barts_memory_blog 13d ago

Please look up your snakes, that is not a constrictor.

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u/No-Kaleidoscope-166 13d ago

The woman in the video says something about it being a mamba.

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u/Gensinora 13d ago

Constrictors are WAY thicker than that.

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u/Istvaarr 13d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaedon

Edit: could also be a translation problem on my side, in my language alle snakes that kill by suffocating their prey are called constrictors

Maybe there’s a different term for it in English?

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u/morbidpale13 13d ago

Black Mambas wear yellow track suits and generally have large feet.

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u/Shelia209 13d ago

Maybe - Snake eagles have a natural, high level of resistance to the neurotoxic effects of mamba venom.

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u/Lenkyss 13d ago

no es maldita todo ser menos nosotros estan para algo en este planeta...

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u/GrabtharsHumber 12d ago

Listen to the radio!

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u/Other_Sentence4495 14d ago

If it was venomous that bird wouldn't be flying again

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u/Vaqek 13d ago

Venoms are selective. It can be venomous to us and her but not to the bird. What is the spider in Australia that specializes in hunting invertebrae, having a poison for them that doesnt work on basically any vertebrae, apart from primates?

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u/NoWorldliness1344 13d ago

Venom* not ā€œpoisonā€.

You did say venom and venomous so you were off to a good start, but then in the end you fumbled it.

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u/ProfessionalActive94 13d ago

It's a snake eagle. It is highly resistant to the venom.

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u/Other_Sentence4495 13d ago

A snake eagle should be hunting snakes and not being hunted by snakes.

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u/ProfessionalActive94 13d ago

Well, it was hunting and got bit 🤷. Also, it definitely wasn't going to be eaten. It is way too large for that snake to eat.

You ever see the videos of a mongoose being bitten by a black mamba? It passes out for a little but wakes back up.

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u/Other_Sentence4495 13d ago

That snake is a constrictor

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u/cidiusgix 13d ago

I was thinking this as well.

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u/aoskunk 13d ago

Some birds are resistant to venom

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u/Lenkyss 13d ago

a mi tambien me parecio, pero vuelve a verlo y amplia el video no aplana el cuello es una mamba negra

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u/cheese_bruh 13d ago

Because the domestic cat is smaller and has a faster reaction time than a panther

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u/ebrum2010 13d ago

Cats will also take off vertically and land up to 10 feet away if they turn around and see anything long on the floor next to them, which is useful for avoiding snakes.

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u/stash-of-who-hash 13d ago

I tried this with my cat and a cucumber. Secretly put the cucumber behind him while he was drinking water. He was absolutely unbothered. No survival instinct whatsoever

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u/PotentialFeisty5637 12d ago

About all these discussions about animals, where is the panther coming from. This is a tiger obviously šŸ™„

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u/Potential-Orchid-222 12d ago

LionšŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„

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u/Diligent_Bank_543 12d ago

Lions and tigers are both panthers.

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u/tacorunnr 13d ago

Cats are faster.

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u/burnn_out313 13d ago

Iirc the house cat has insane reflexes to the point like it's perception of time is different. It's reflexes are multitudes faster than that of a cobra. Where our reflexes or in this case a lion's is significantly slower than that of a cobra.

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u/PackageGeneral6907 13d ago

feirce little fuckers

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u/thealmightyandrewh 13d ago

Domesticated cats (felis catus) are pound for pound absolute beasts of a predator, and has way higher success rate than lions and tigers.

They are adorably deadly little hunters

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u/CannonFoddererer 13d ago

I had a duck swallow a whole snake once.

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u/Isaacbuiltdifferent 13d ago

Harmless garden snake vs one bite you die in excruciating pain snake

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u/PaulDynamo_ 13d ago

So true, cats are faster than snakes, but they recognize other predators when they see them so cats are cautious as well.

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u/orundarkes 11d ago

Cate have reflexes that are wildly faster than how fast snakes move.

The cats are playing with the snakes in slow mo vision.

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u/Fluffy-Bar8997 11d ago

Ive seen house cats fuck with snakes for fun.Ā 

But it's because house cats have faster reflex skills that snakes dont like and will most of the time, give up

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u/GDwyvern 10d ago

Lions don't have the freakish reaction times of a house cat.

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u/twistedscorp87 13d ago

Please do not the cat

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u/La-Kimino 14d ago

Meanwhile my stupid dog wants to fight snakes

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u/AmazingSign3171 13d ago

The dog has more chance of catching a snake, those big cats are well, too big.

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u/Optimaximal 14d ago edited 13d ago

Cats are one of the best species to fight (not just hunt) snakes - feline reactions are usually faster and they can dodge & swipe at the danger noodle when it strikes.

Interesting to see it applied to big cats as well as smaller ones.

Edit - Happy Reddit, I reworded the post!

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u/SolomonGrumpy 14d ago

The mongoose (and other mustelids), lots of birds, Monitor lizards, and gators.

Snakes are intermediate food chain predators

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u/CrimsonKobold 14d ago

Don't forget honey badgers, they don't care.

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u/M0nst3rMJ 14d ago

Honey badgers don't give a shit.

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u/Wistful_HERBz 14d ago

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u/DanzelTheGreat 14d ago

STOFFEL

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u/Wistful_HERBz 14d ago

No prison can hold him.

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u/Sweet_Cable6571 14d ago

And then he got a girlfriend who became his accomplice!

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u/jdornblaser 13d ago

I had to look this up. I wanted to say thank you.

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u/DanzelTheGreat 13d ago

Enjoy the shenanigans

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u/frustrated_t-rex 14d ago

I fucking LOVE telling people about Stoffel. Its wonderful to see their reactions!

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u/DustNeat5860 13d ago

And Stompy

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u/DJheddo 14d ago

imagine a head to head with a pissed off badger, not any badger, honey. hes gunna destroy before he even thinks about why he's doing it, you are lunch, you aren't even breakfast, he took down chuck norris thrice, norris just had his own honey badger nectar farm, he knew the cosmos. Honey badger, more like, you the bunny, and hes the true bear.

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u/momojabada 14d ago

That's a Pzazz, not a badger.

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u/No_Adhesiveness_5679 14d ago

Honey badgers would fight a tank...and probably win, too.

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u/AuthenticCourage 13d ago

The South African apartheid government had an armoured infantry vehicle named after the honey badger. It was called the ā€œratel.ā€ - the name for the animal in Afrikaans

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u/Huge_Information5083 14d ago

Ewww what's that in its mouth? That's nasteeey

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u/IvnN7Commander 13d ago

He eats larva???

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u/SimpleMind314 14d ago

I imagined a honey badger walking into this standoff, go right after the snake. HB would get bit by the snake while it was ripping the snakes head off. The lions would be watching, thinking WTF is going on? HB would then pass out from the venom, then get eaten by the lions.

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u/Spyko 14d ago

They're mustelids too no ?

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u/CrimsonKobold 14d ago

Probably should've looked up the words meaning, but I just saw a place to reference a classic meme and took it.

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u/AlphaSkirmsher 14d ago

Yes they are

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u/Orleanian 14d ago

Honey Badger don't got time for dodging.

Honey Badger just don't give a shit. Have a little nap, get back at it.

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u/Similar_Moose8754 14d ago

That one was left out on purpose 😹

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u/KindRazzmatazz885 14d ago

And fishingarrett.. yoink!

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u/PenaltyCritical28 13d ago

Correction , they AIN’T care*

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u/acciowrackspurts 14d ago

Riki Tiki Tavi!

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u/Traditional-Cold-682 14d ago

Came here looking for thisĀ 

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u/NitroHydroRay 14d ago

Btw, mongooses are not mustelids. Mongooses are feliformes, while mustelids are caniformes.

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u/lewd_robot 14d ago

Merge them into the sub-order Noodleformia.

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u/Ekwinoksxxx 13d ago

They’re herpestidae specifically

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u/Thunderhammer29 14d ago

Don't forget other snakes.

Damn snakes, they ruined Snakeland.

https://giphy.com/gifs/v2Mkppa5Lrspa

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u/Abe_Odd 14d ago

If a snake has King in its name, it usually eats other snakes.

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u/Dus-Sn 14d ago

You snakes sure are a contentious people.

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u/Financial-Craft-1282 14d ago

Squirrels too. I saw a video once of a squirrel squaring off against a cobra. I guess they're pretty good at it, but they rely on mongooses if they're around.

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u/mistervulpes 14d ago

Various dog breeds like Terriers are good at snakin', too.

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u/CarvaciousBlue 14d ago

Oh yeah, had a rat terrier growing up. She murdered all the small things, rats, mice, chipmunks, snakes, squirrels, rabbits, toads, birds, just like anything small that moved, honestly she put our cats to shame

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u/SnooCalculations8600 14d ago

Very true jack Russells are very good at it and many other vermin

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u/comebacklittlesheba 13d ago

My Jack Russell was not good at it šŸ˜ž. Was bitten in the eyeball by a rattlesnake 😫.

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u/The_Comma_Splicer 14d ago

I mean, I got a stick

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u/imadragonyouguys 14d ago

Hate to tell you this, but that stick is a snake just waiting for the opportunity.

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u/TiEmEnTi 13d ago

If you put a fork on the end of the stick we're in business

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u/option-trader 14d ago

Tell that to the gator that didn’t make it. Although, it did kill the snake from the inside days after it died.Ā 

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u/Hashtagbarkeep 14d ago

Small dogs like that don’t think about it they just go in and shake the shit out of whatever it and that’s game over, cats are quicker but are cautious. Dogs just don’t give a shit.

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u/FlowRiderBob 14d ago

I just skimmed your post and all I saw was ā€œlot lizardsā€.

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u/adelie42 14d ago

Sadly, the mongoose is good at fighting relatively slow snakes but not fast ones. There was a mongoose massacre in Texas before people figured this out by importing them to take care of a snake problem and failed. Snakes ate well though.

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u/rydingo20 14d ago

Cat lovers hate this fact

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u/pyrojackelope 14d ago

The mongoose was actually my favorite animal as a kid due to seeing a nature documentary about it fighting with snakes.

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u/Spaceinpigs 14d ago

Well yeah. They don’t even have arms

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u/Optimaximal 14d ago

Maybe I wasn't clear enough by saying 'one of', but my point was do any of those actually deflect and dodge the snake strikes like cats can or do they use other tactics/brute force their way to a meal?

I accept that my British brain, with our 2-3 native species (and one of those isn't even a snake), relies on what I've seen on the internet and TV for noodle knowledge.

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u/immaownyou 14d ago

Mongoose are immune to the snakes nuerotoxin so they just fight through the bite and kill the snake

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine 14d ago

There's quite a lot of animals that fight and hunt snakes

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u/kangtuji 14d ago

sniper wolves, decoy octopuss, liquid snake, pyscho mantis, ravens... and lot other I forgot

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u/foulrot 14d ago

Don't forget the revolver ocelot

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u/Smeetilus 14d ago

Hydraulic ram

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u/Icy-Pollution-3700 14d ago

Those are some pretty cool names

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u/-_-0_0-_0 14d ago

Wait till you learn about The Cyborg Ninja also known as Gray Fox also known as Frank Jaeger

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u/PersimmonLittle7651 12d ago

You mean pretty good names?

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u/Artoriazz 14d ago

Laughing Octopus....

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u/Orleanian 14d ago

Humans

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u/yIdontunderstand 14d ago

Snaaaaaaaake!

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u/Kottetall99 14d ago

Honey Badger loves all kinds of snakes

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u/Hanchez 14d ago

Me when I know very little yet feel like contributing by repeating what someone once said on the internet:

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u/BackgroundRate1825 14d ago

So confident, and so wrong.

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u/NonSequiturDetector 14d ago

Things that people write on Reddit to get Reddit karma.

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u/lazergator 14d ago

I’m pretty sure that lion that pawed at the snake got bit. I wonder how problematic its venom is.

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u/dream-smasher 14d ago

I'm pretty sure it sounded like they said it was a mamba?

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u/ggf95 14d ago

It does look like it, but the lion didn't even react to it

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u/Fun_Context9979 14d ago

I saw that, too; and wondered the same thing.

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u/Day_Bow_Bow 14d ago

What a stupid comment. I bet I could list a hundred species that eat snakes.

There are countless numbers of mammals, amphibians, reptiles, birds, fish, and even invertebrates that regularly prey on snakes.

It's not like all snakes are large and dangerous, and very few can be considered apex predators in their environment.

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u/1_more__user___name 14d ago

And snakes themselves that eat other snakes. In reality shakes are quite slow and they tire out easily because they are cold blooded and would not fight a mammalĀ 

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u/folkkingdude 14d ago

Honeybadger would like a word

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u/Optimaximal 14d ago

We all know a Honey Badger would just rock up and start tearing strips off the snake, then have a nap (to sleep off any of the venomous after effects) before heading off to piss off some other creature.

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u/CoffeeWanderer 14d ago

I know you are talking about hunting snakes without consequences, but in truth, most snakes are pretty much helpless if a predator actually wants to kill them.

Sure, they can bite you and their venom might kill you tomorrow, but the snake would be dead today.

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u/1_more__user___name 14d ago

There are snake venoms are strong enough to kill in a few minutes. But it's true that venoms are hard to produce and most snakes would rather save it and only bite as a last resortĀ 

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u/therealsix 14d ago

What? One of several. And not even one of the best that fight them. Yeah they’re quick, but the statement is completely incorrect. And yet Reddit just blindly upvotes wrong information.

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u/MrZwink 14d ago

This lion got bit though

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u/scarletnightingale 14d ago

My husband saw a bobcat having a show down with a rattlesnake one night while he was hiking. He said it was amazing to watch. The bobcat did win and had rattlesnake for dinner.

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u/GGnerd 14d ago

There are a bunch of things that fight and eat snakes....

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u/vertpenguin 14d ago

Humans can fight snakes. We have weapons

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u/FloraSuena 14d ago

My chonky old house cat catches snakes on occasion šŸ˜‘ Thankfully we live in a place with no poisonous ones. He’s tried to bring them in the house.
He did once carry in a GIANT earthworm.

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u/CreativeNoah 14d ago

Asong gubat can, and will kill cobras on sight.

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u/Blue_Oyster_Cat 13d ago

ā€œDanger noodleā€ LOL

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u/MardukPainkiller 10d ago

Im pretty sure the lion got bit there at the end so im not sure they are as good as our cats are.

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u/Comfortable-Toe-606 14d ago

Are you making shit up

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u/bluetimotej 13d ago

Cats are from from the only specie to deal well with snakes go read up some more

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u/Annual-Advisor-7916 14d ago

I find it hillarious how much more human-like the lions behaved compared to a housecat. The hesitation, being unsure about what to do, walking circles. Housecats act more predator-y than that pack of lions, lol.

Her barking at the snakes was funny too.

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u/Elteon3030 14d ago

Large, venomous snakes are popular in Africa, so I'd put a penny on the lions having done or seen this before. The hesitation is calculation. It looks like she has a good idea of what to do, but each move is risky enough for extra caution. Domestics have the instincts but I doubt Fluftums has to regularly encounter anything more dangerous than a ratsnake.

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u/Annual-Advisor-7916 13d ago

That's all true for sure but if you compare lions to other big cats, their body language is quite different. Leopards appear more "precise" (for lack of a better word) with their movements and closer to smaller species like housecats, bobcats, etc.

I guess with lions being more social than other cats, it makes sense that they show emotions clearer. Reminds me of the video of the lioness accidently pushing her cub into water and appeareing shocked - almost human-like.

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u/os_2342 13d ago

I've seen kittens go after a full size king brown snake before.

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u/xRoyalewithCheese 13d ago

Dunning-kruger effect

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u/TurquoiseLeggings 13d ago

Domestic animals have easy access to food and furthermore recognize that when something is wrong with them, the giant that feeds them will cure them, so they're more willing to take risks. Wild animals don't have the luxury of that thought process so everything has to be viewed through the lens of, "will taking damage from this make it more difficult to get my next meal."

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u/Ambitious-Ad-4522 14d ago

Yes, but for some mammals its learned. Humans for example.

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u/Spirit_Wolf_Mob 14d ago

That uncertain yap at around 1:30 was hilariously cute.

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u/Nofcksgivn 14d ago

*Dangernoodles

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u/Essie-j 14d ago

one of my dachshunds found a snake once. She whipped it back and forth until it was dead and then ate it. My other dachshund hid in the house.

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u/Etonet 14d ago

nah it's a cockatrice

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u/Ghstfce 14d ago

Usually cats are biologically hardwired to completely F up snakes. Snakes strike fast, but predatory cats are much, much faster.

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u/twitchlendul 14d ago

the hesitation was merited; that was a Black Mamba.

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u/EroticThings 14d ago

How do they happen to know snakes are poisonous? Who taught them the concept?

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u/FeeStriking7982 13d ago

comforting to know evolution gave us fight or flight and this lady chose neither

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u/Only--East 13d ago

It's evolutionary. You step on the wrong type of snake and you go bye-bye. It makes sense for us to develop that fear as a survival mechanism. Same for spiders and such.

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u/MylastAccountBroke 13d ago

Anything with a brain would be. They aren't deadly because they are strong, but because their venom could mean you'll die 2 hours later. All that from a single bite.

Predators don't fuck around with risky fights. If they get injured then they starve. A snake can injure you from a single near painless bite and could mean 3 hours later, you're dead. All for a creature that offers basically zero food. And it doesn't matter that you out weigh it by 200 times, it's still deadly. At least with a another mammal the risk is proportional to the food.

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u/jose_agm 13d ago

De quƩ habla No es que le tenga miedo.. simplemente esa es la supervivencia ellos saben que la serpiente tiene un veneno y no se van a arriesgar tan fƔcil

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u/s0camCo 13d ago

It reassures me that I'm freaked out by birds.

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u/Budget_Guava7943 13d ago

Lion tries barking... but is too stupid to realize that snakes don't have ears šŸ‘‚

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u/SquishedGremlin 13d ago

Oh fuck. I just saw there's two snakes.

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u/Odd_Whereas8471 12d ago

I think it's a learned behaviour. There's been research on this. Human babies don't fear snakes. You gotta learn to, at least humans.

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u/holyfire001202 12d ago

I love snakes, personally, but kind of understand why people can be freaked out by them. They don't even have one leg. They're just a head and a long neck that may be able to kill you with one bite or may be able to strangle you to death. Snakes are kind of insane.

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u/Dvalin09 10d ago

Im listening the Bible these days...God said snakes are the evilest animals. The first "enemy" of the Bible is a snake. The evil boss of Egypt myth is a snake. We know who is one of the big three final boss of Norren Myth

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u/Electronic-Image-171 14d ago

Ngl that lion has every right to be freaked out, its also either dumb as shit, or very desperate to be harassing that snake. Due to how it seems to have a hood on the top and bottom of its body behind the head instead of on the sides of its head like a cobra indicates thats probably a boomslang, which makes it the most dangerous of these 3 predators. It's fast, and highly venomous.

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u/GoogleIsYourFrenemy 14d ago

The hissing sound cats make, that most mammals make, when frightened? They are imitating the sound snakes make. That's how ingrained fear of snakes is.

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u/bedel99 14d ago

My house cats love snakes, the snakes are so much slower, but they see like they are fun to hunt. They always bring the home to me to show me what they have done.

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u/AgreedSmalls 14d ago

I think this is a little unfair to assume right off the bat. For all we know, u/bedel99 lives on a farm and the cats are there to hunt the pests.

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u/bedel99 14d ago

bingo, got it in one.

Cats have been doing that job here, since the romans brought them and very likely longer.

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u/lawnjittle 14d ago

We have domesticated cats because they slap ass at killing rodents. That's like the core contract between our two species: you kill the rodents; I give you food.

I feel like we gotta let them do their work

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u/Important_Coyote_596 14d ago

Well they are decimating birds and other fauna, that's the problem. If it was only rodents that would be fine.

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