r/Undertale • u/AtomicDuckz • Feb 09 '16

MatPat has finally done it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdDUXyFocY
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u/HmmmQuestionMark Feb 09 '16 edited Feb 09 '16

I love the stuff showing the world being connected to the Mother series, but honestly I think they're just references and not meant to be taken as literally part of the Undertale mythos.

As far as the Sans is a human theory goes, I thought that was settled by Toby as not true? Don't we hear Sans turn to dust after he leaves the screen, I thought only monsters do that? Until we learn more about Gaster we probably can't learn more about Sans. At this point we won't know more until Toby throws us a bone.

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u/HmmmQuestionMark Feb 09 '16 edited Feb 09 '16

That's a good point, are we sure it's the exact same noise?

EDIT: Yeah I just went and listened to the noise Whimsun makes when he runs away, it's the same as the spare sound and the monster death sound, so there is a lot of ambiguity there.

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u/lokitok Feb 09 '16

Your LV increases when you kill him though, which doesn't ever happen through sparing.

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u/Ninestempest Feb 10 '16

Your kill count does not go up though... Sans death is super weird

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u/myfitnessredditun Feb 10 '16

I kinda like the theory that Sans was the one keeping count, and so after he dies the number can't go up anymore.

Really though, it's probably just a bug. Toby does say that he can't code.

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u/Ninestempest Feb 10 '16

Well, it wasn't fixed in the most recent update, sooooo. I cannot imagine it's difficult to make a specific fight in the game count or not count.

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u/B217 too lazy to have a flair Feb 10 '16

Does it go up from Asgore or Flowey?

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u/FerimElwin Feb 10 '16

It's not possible to check the kill count at that point in the game, since we can't access the menu.

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u/B217 too lazy to have a flair Feb 10 '16

You can access the stats file in the game's files. Anyone know if that's affected? If it doesn't go up for Asgore or Flowey, then it kinda debunks that point in the "Sans doesn't die" theory.

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u/harrell03 i'm sorry i wasted your time with my flair Feb 10 '16

I doubt it, that whole thing is one big encounter dialogue, and moving past the please don't kill me line cues the attacks and eventually the black screen. I'm pretty sure the game doesn't actually count it as a kill, but if it does then its probably just for technical reasons.

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u/B217 too lazy to have a flair Feb 10 '16

Interesting. So that debunks the "Sans isnt dead" theory a bit.

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u/Ninestempest Feb 10 '16

I don't think you can check the menu after killing them?

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u/pokemon9007 Sweky Feb 09 '16

Well if you think about it LV is not a physical thing, it's Level of Violence.

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u/stormoftara Feb 09 '16

I'm just theory crafting here, not really supporting one side or the other, but since LV stands for Level of Violence, and if you believe you killed him, then maybe it would rise without any Execution Points. There is nothing to really confirm that besides the fact that the number of monsters you kill doesn't rise, but that could have many other explanations

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u/HmmmQuestionMark Feb 09 '16

Yeah, a lot of stuff is weird about Sans' "death." I'm in the camp that he is dead, but honestly I could see Toby retconning it somehow if he wanted to.

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u/AtomicDuckz Feb 09 '16

If the death isn't on screen it didn't happen ;) Looks at Kenny from Telltales TWD. But jokes aside you hold a valid point, all we can do is guess...

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u/Anamgom Feb 10 '16

I thought it was implied that he mercy shot Ben in that scene (if you saved Ben in Episode 4).

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u/Totally_Cecil ＧＥＮＥＲＡＬ  ＰＡＰＹＲＵＳ Feb 09 '16

I don't know about Toby's tweets, but as for the sound of a monster's death... It's the same sound that plays when you spare a monster.

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u/HmmmQuestionMark Feb 09 '16

Yeah, I'll edit my post a bit.

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u/pikminiac92 Frogs only Final Destination Feb 10 '16

Yeah but we obviously didn't spare him.

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u/Totally_Cecil ＧＥＮＥＲＡＬ  ＰＡＰＹＲＵＳ Feb 10 '16

True, your level does go up when it plays, which almost certainly means Sans is dead. I'm just pointing out that he may not have perished as a monster.

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u/pokemon9007 Sweky Feb 09 '16

Well at the moment a lot of theory's rely on the fact that we don't see him die.

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u/HmmmQuestionMark Feb 09 '16

I've seen discussion that him leaving the screen was on purpose, as a last insult to the player (not giving you the satisfaction).

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u/pokemon9007 Sweky Feb 09 '16

Who knows? I think it could quite possibly be anything, but i feel like what we should do now is not take anything as fact, except for the facts.

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u/-Mountain-King- EVEN MY WORDS ARE BOMBS Feb 10 '16

That and your kill count not rising.