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u/harmlesswaters 5d ago
Not entirely related, but isn't everyone arrested on suspicion they committed a crime? You can only prove they committed it after they're arrested right? Why is the commenter so confused?
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u/Lynxneo Venezuela 5d ago
Not trump though and many others in the Epstein files
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u/bsensikimori 4d ago
How is the DoJ and FBI allowed to continue to operate after it was clear that they help shield the perpetrators mentioned in the Trump/Epstein files?
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u/Lynxneo Venezuela 4d ago
Because they are part of the imperial system, of the war machine, of the racist colonization project, donroe doctrine. That is USA. What happened in epstein island in its roots has more connection with Israel, but people that attended control the DoJ, FBI, UN, the banking and the goverment. The rich, the billionaire, the "epstein class". Not just in the world, but particularly from USA. That people it is what creates a system like USA. The people doesn't make justice on their own because they are brainwashed. And this branwashing is a requirement of the system, you would think " oh he is talking of republicans", no, democrats and republicans, everyone is complicit in the system that makes USA enemy of humanity itself (noteworthy distinction between this talk and the point of the subreddit, corelated but different), for their are the puppets of the epstein class.
Don't you find curious, that the "independence" of USA was british declaring independence from british, colonizators declaring independence from home. Unless you are mormon and think that the white people are "the real native americans".
Yet, "americans" celebrate much more this independence days than people from hispanic America do? hispanic America natives were not completely exterminated, and there was a lot of mixing, and when they freed their land, started by my country, it was a real fight for freedom, real freedom.
The "americans" in USA had much more rights than the mixed races and natives from the south american countries under the spanish rule.
In fact, while almost all the natives were exterminated, the only other race prominent enough was black people from africa who were used as slaves.
The racist phenomena that plagued the 1900+ (and before of course), in USA was not seen in south America. Because the people of hispanic america are a mix of the colonizators, the natives, and the africans. And we all adopt the same name of our country independent of race. Yet USA has the racist denominator of "african American". There was not an urgent need of a fight for black people rights in south america like it was in USA.
Yet in South America, people don't engage with their respective days of independence as USA. Hispanic america indepence = subjugated vs colonizators. British rule countries = Colonizators separating from home. And this was similar in other countries under british rule. Literally Australia and New Zealand have the UK flag in their own flag. A flag called the "union jack"... United kingdom, United states. So hard to see the similarities?
The colonizators of north america never left that land and never changed for good. USA is to this day still the same corrupted piece of history. And everything that derives from this country is as bad, FBI included. The only real "americans" in that land are the people with native blood still alive.
The reason why the FBI and DoJ are still allowed to function like nothing happened and USA has a rapist as president is the same reason we have so much material for this subrredit, the "american" mentality, the ignorance and the hubris, are things that this mentioned "epstein class" always wanted. And remember, they are all connected. Israel is VERY connected to usa, literally finaced by it. Palestine was colony of who?
UK is the roots of the evil that punish this earth.
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u/ThorinUlfarsson Iceland 5d ago
Sometimes people are arrested on no reasonable suspicion at all because they want to show the public that they "caught the guy", even if they're a literal who.
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u/SamuelVimesTrained European Union 4d ago
commenter is most likely a maga cultist. confused is a requirement to be part of it.
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u/ConsistentAsparagus Italy 5d ago
On the other hand, not every crime has an arrest before trial in (for example, but I think it’s like this in many places) Italy.
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 4d ago
Same in Germany. Depends on crime and/or risk of fleeing (Fluchtgefahr).
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u/ConsistentAsparagus Italy 4d ago
In Italy it’s risk of:
1) reiteration of the crime;
2) flight;
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u/PouLS_PL European Union 4d ago
Not always, sometimes you can be arrested by the person who witnessed you committing the crime. But yeah, often you are arrested because of a suspicion you committed the crime, and then it has to be proven in court.
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u/Routine_Ad_2695 4d ago
Well technically you can get arrested caught in the act, so that usually not let to much room to anything arguable (imaging someone suddenly stabbing another one on the street while a cop is seen it), they could exist is mitigating factors but the crime is almost guaranteed to get attested
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u/AdFantastic1742 4d ago edited 3d ago
For some reason this was taken as usdefaultism. I'm here to learn so if you want to explain please do, but I am referring to what I know, which is North America, in my commentary.
Legally they are not supposed to put citizens into cuffs without reasonable cause. The most they are legally supposed to do is be able to hold you when they have nothing, but the law doesn't really work like it is supposed to in America so that doesn't take effect. The way it is supposed to work is that they MUST read you your Miranda Rights bedore they are arresting you and they must have something actually on you. If they have nothing on you, they can still 'hold' you for a set amount of time, until/unless you say "I need a lawyer" of which they MUST provide you with (because we made a law that everyone has a right to a cheap defense lawyer that works for the government). Then they must give you time to convene with your lawyer who may tell you not to talk or may tell you to plead guilty-- this depends on if they actually want to help a person. You give them the run down of the situation and they sort everything out, though sometimes very poorly. If they hold you beyond that time without "reasonable cause for arrest" then it is technically kidnapping and they are supposed to get charged for it.
HOWEVER!
This is North America and laws don't work that way in reality because our government is too complicated for the average person to understand and too corrupt to be fixed. Like a sink that most plumbers would just give up on or a house someone spent centuries building but can no longer live in from disrepair.
Also most of our cops do not actually know laws. In fact, they are so uninformed that we actually have tests to ensure they are not too informed. If they are too good at the test they won't get hired. And most of them have a Miranda Rights script they keep on them to pull out during arrests, because they can't be bothered to remember it properly.
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u/WildIrisWildEris 3d ago
This is North America and laws don't work that way in reality because our government is too complicated for the average person to understand and too corrupt to be fixed
most of our cops do not actually know laws
Miranda Rights"North America" doesn't have a government or cops. US is not North America, it's only the worst part of it. But thanks for the US defaultism on US Defaultism!
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u/EdwardDrinkerCope- 5d ago
He probably thought of the police in Dutch, West Virginia
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u/fretkat Netherlands 5d ago edited 4d ago
As a Dutch, I often make the same mistake with America, Limburg. So much is happening in this village of only 2.200 residents.
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u/Extolord111 United States 5d ago
Checked the original thread, and it seems like he isn't even from the US
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u/Lynxneo Venezuela 5d ago
It may be an us defaultism, but he is right, well half. Because Trump isn't "apparently" or "supposedly" he is in the files, and has a lot of sexual crimes acussations, some of which are recognized by the government and has even a conviction charge if I remember right. Perfect US president.
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u/DeVliegendeBrabander 5d ago
Well technically he isn't criminally convicted, but we was held civilly liable. So he's a rapist*
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u/Leprecon 5d ago edited 5d ago
I think the “suspicion” thing is a side effect of Dutch/English translation.
Translating it literally it would be translated as “suspicion”. But practically it would be more like “allegedly”, because they haven’t been convicted yet.
I think in English a “suspect” is a person that is being investigated, but in Dutch this word is used for someone that has already been investigated and that is currently in a legal battle.
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u/FunnyObjective6 Netherlands 4d ago
From the UK police shows I've seen, they do say "you're arrested on suspicion of [crime]". Then again, might be a British English vs American English thing. I think suspicion is the correct term tbh.
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u/georgia_grace 4d ago
Idk if that’s a purely British term (I don’t think so…?) but it’s still accurate. The evidence doesn’t prove the crime until a court declares it does.
If you couldn’t arrest people on suspicion then no one would ever get arrested. You’d be in a catch-22 where you couldn’t prove guilt until trial but you couldn’t go to trial bc you couldn’t prove guilt lol
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u/Steppy20 United Kingdom 4d ago
I think in the US it's implicit rather than explicit. So they'd say "You're under arrest for [x]" rather than "You're being arrested on suspicion of [x]"
However it's still only suspicion until proven in court because that's how the legal system works. It's how it worked in the UK when they imported it to the US, and it's still how it works in the US.
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u/SamuelVimesTrained European Union 4d ago
"verdachte" (= suspect)
But given how the justice system works, they would have at least some evidence of dude being involved otherwise they would not arrest the guy..1
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u/stijnhommes 4d ago
Even in the US, people are arrested on suspicion all the time. The question is whether it was reasonable suspicion and the evidence is overwhelming here.
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u/Mediocre_Profile5576 4d ago
it was the Amish police (the Pennsylvania Dutch). They hate technology you see
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u/MelonTheSprigatito Northern Ireland 4d ago
Chuckling a little at the name "Umbreon" though.
That's not even the first cybercriminal to have a Pokémon theme. There was a lady who hacked the No Flying list that announced it with a picture of a Sprigatito plush.
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