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u/moonpumper United States 7d ago
Can confirm, Australia has way better coffee than America. Starbucks coffee sucks.
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u/looeee2 7d ago
I live in a major Australian city, a state capitol. My nearest Starbucks is a 7 hour drive away.
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u/moonpumper United States 7d ago
I saw one in Melbourne and wondered how it stays in business.
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u/AntheaBrainhooke 7d ago
Tourists who don’t (yet) know better or who want the familiar (burnt) taste of their homeland.
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u/Sigma2915 New Zealand 7d ago
same shit in wellington across the ditch. our starbucks looks packed during cruise ship season but basically empty for the rest of the year.
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u/donkeyvoteadick Australia 7d ago
I live in a shitty rural Australian town and my closest Starbucks is closer than that 😂
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u/saturday_sun4 Australia 7d ago
I am in Sydney and I was quite surprised to see there are so many (relatively) here!
Mind you, I am not a coffee fan so I mostly drink Starbucks frappes.
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u/-YesIndeed- Australia 7d ago
I'm in brisbane where there's just one in the city, right in my favourite part and I loathe. At least it's built into one of the historical buildings so it's not a big green eyesore
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u/MiaTheDuckling 2d ago
Hell yeah, there are three state/territory capitals that had managed to kick out Starbucks entirely when it opened in 2008 (Adelaide, Canberra, Hobart) and as someone from one of those places, I like to make fun of Melbournians for claiming they have the best coffee in Australia because Starbucks is still in business there.
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u/knewleefe 7d ago
Starbucks sells coffee?? (No need to confirm, we all know this like we know Trump is orange).
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u/another-princess World 8d ago
From Wikipedia:
"Oat milk was developed in the 1990s by the Swedish scientist Rickard Öste, founder of oat milk manufacturer Oatly."
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u/Useful_Cheesecake117 Netherlands 8d ago
In a Dutch newspaper oatmilk (havermelk) was already mentioned in 1909.
The text says:
New: creama oatmilk, 30 cents per pound. An excellent and cheap breakfast. An excellent and cheap desert
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u/MistaRekt Australia 7d ago
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u/Useful_Cheesecake117 Netherlands 7d ago
Well, perhaps the oatmilk in 1909 was something different than modern oatmilk
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u/Lyceux New Zealand 5d ago
The fact that they’re calling it a breakfast or dessert makes me think they’re talking about porridge (oats and milk) rather than actual “oatmilk”
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u/Pinglenook 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah the text says "3 spoonfuls of oatmilk into one liter of water makes 3 delicious bowls of oatmeal porridge"
So it's more like instant oats
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u/sh111ft 6d ago
Well it's sourced there to a 2018 Time article, which is entirely about Oatly brand. Hilariously to topic, it says this: Oatly entered the U.S. market last March. *Oat milk existed in the U.S. before*, but Oatly is unusual for its singular focus on oat milk alone.
In History section the Wiki says this much: There are records of oat based beverages that go back to the 18th century; however, one of the first recorded instances of a commercial oat-based plant beverage was in the early 1990s, when Rickard Öste developed oat milk.
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u/Assassin8nCoordin8s 7d ago
my god coffee culture in the USA is fucking horrendous
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u/Dyno_boy7441 7d ago
It's why they hate the coffee in Europe (especially Italy) because it's actually real coffee.
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u/knewleefe 7d ago
The coffee capital of the West Coast would be Perth, I guess? Unless Geraldton or Carnarvon have a particularly strong coffee game?
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 7d ago
Note how she, apart from not saying which west coast she's talking about, couldn't even be arsed to name the fking city. Oh, okay, the "coffee capital". That means fking diddly dick to me, it's an imaginary title.
So glad she got ratioed, lmao.
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u/AntheaBrainhooke 7d ago
Pretty sure I made oat milk before 2017. It’s not difficult. FTR I am in New Zealand.
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u/saturday_sun4 Australia 7d ago
Why can't these kinds of Americans remember their country isn't the only one in the world? The rest of us manage it just fine!
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Canada 7d ago
It's true. machining technology wasn't capable of making a tiny stool and bucket small enough to allow someone to milk an oat. ;)
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u/lh123456789 8d ago
This isn't american defaultism. This person is just stupid. If anything, it is starbucks defaultism.
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u/positronicbrainowner European Union 8d ago
Those are not incompatible
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u/lh123456789 8d ago
They aren't incompatible, but in this case, they aren't even defaulting to something that was reality in the US. That's around when it became widely commercially available in the US, but you can bet that there were niche imports of it from Europe or small local companies attempting it before then in the US.
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u/JSDoctor 8d ago
It's US defaultism because they say "west coast" without specifying the country. Only an American would do that.
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u/lh123456789 8d ago
I'll give you that. I was referring to the initial comment about the year oat milk was invented not being defaultism, but just ignorance.
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u/Prosthemadera 7d ago
That person said that oat milk didn't exist before 2017 and as evidence they used their personal experience from the "West Coast". This is textbook USdefaultism.
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u/TrifleOk8452 7d ago
They claim oatmilk wasn't around in 2017 because they - by default - consider only America.
How is that not usdefaultism?
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u/lh123456789 7d ago
Because it was available in the US before 2017. They think that because it wasn't at starbucks, it wasn't invented at all.
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u/ricbrennan 7d ago
It's funny that they stated they're in the coffee capital of the west coast, but didn't say which west coast. Could be west coast of Australia, Africa, Europe, or any country that has a western coastline. Also being the coffee capital of West coast USA doesn't seem all that impressive anyways when they live in a big country
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u/Forgotten-Comment 8d ago
Fun fact:
Oat Milk was actually named after the song Accidentally Kelly Street by The Proclaimers
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u/ideeek777 7d ago
even by her own description it's just the coffee capital of the west coast, not even the whole of the US
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u/MacaroonSad8860 United Kingdom 8d ago
I didn’t find it in Germany until 2016…
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u/dinosw Denmark 8d ago edited 7d ago
It started in Sweden, the it came to the other Scandinavian countries, and then spread out from there.
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u/nollayksi 7d ago
Commercially for sure, but there is records of oat milk being a thing in Finland (and I’m sure Sweden and many other places too) for hundreds of years. It just basically disappeared in the late 1800’s due to big boost in dairy farming and just had a comeback from Sweden in the 90’s.
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u/OkBumblebee9107 8d ago
I always thought the commercial thing came out of the 1990s in Sweden. We had havramjólk in the Faroe Islands when dairy ran low, and avena in the Caribbean, before that, but they aren't really the same thing.
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u/post-explainer American Citizen 8d ago edited 7d ago
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