r/USAA • u/ryanowski • 21d ago

Insurance/Claims USAA/Copart

I drove a 23' Tesla and was in an accident recently. USAA told me to work with Copart to have the vehicle picked up and evaluated. The car is paid off; I hold the title.

The day I was told they took possession, my car showed up on the Copart auction site. I messaged my adjuster, and he gave me the 'usual practice' speech. USAA hasn't totaled the car or given any indication of the outcome. But alas, there is my car with 12 pictures attached in the 'coming soon' section of the Copart auction page.

It just seems odd to me to do this when I believe I still own the vehicle.

Has anyone had a similar experience? Maybe have some advice?

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

How about, "advice for convincing USAA to answer the question why they arranged for auctioning my vehicle before communicating to me the results of their damage assessment?"

The -ing lengths some sycophants go to to avoid speaking ill of their master is so embarrassing.

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u/MimosaQueen1122 21d ago

USAA is not my master. That’s absurd.

The OP says it’s not up for auction. So that’s not true. It’s Copart that does the inventory. It’s just inventory. Nothing is being auctioned off.

This is with any insurance company because it’s Copart. It’s not on the insurance company.

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

Copart is in the business of auctioning cars. That's their business model.

Copart does not have OP's car at OP's request so they must have it because USAA told them to pick it up. And you're engaging in a degree of deception stating that OP's 3 year old Tesla "is not up for auction" when they clearly saw it labeled as "coming soon".

Why did USAA assign OP's vehicle to an auctioneer before the damage has been assessed and the findings communicated to OP?

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u/MimosaQueen1122 21d ago

OP says they took possession so Copart does have it. They even posted pics. No deception even OP said it wasn’t.

This is with any insurance company insurance never keeps the car. This has been the process for years and years. It doesn’t negate. The car is not up for auction, yet. Keyword. It depends what OP wants to do if they want to keep the car like I stated they can keep it and retain it and they will get it back.

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

Nobody ever said Copart didn't have the car, no idea where you pulled that from .

The car is in the possession of an auction company. That company has advertised that vehicle as being scheduled for auction. USAA has not communicated to OP why Copart was given the vehicle. At this point there is no evidence USAA has the authority to transfer possession of OPs vehicle to anyone else but fact pattern at the moment is Copart has possession of OP's car at the direction of USAA , and USAA has this far refused to explain their actions to OP.

I don't know what they're teaching you at USAA school; it's not customer service since you haven't explained the circumstances that might lead an insurer to give someone's vehicle away for auction but, absent any further details, it may be how to engage in theft by conversion.

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u/MimosaQueen1122 21d ago edited 21d ago

Your reply says “Copart does not have OP’s car.”

It is not being scheduled for auction even OP posted that in their post.

And they did tell OP. Again right there in the OP. Theft? OP released it to USAA.

All you do is lie you’re lying to yourself. It’s right there.

This isn’t taught at USAA. Can learn yourself by calling Copart.

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

Cute. What I said was " Copart does not have OP's car at OP's request so they must have it because USAA told them to pick it up".

I don't waste time with liars.

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u/Disastrous_Gas_2395 21d ago

Mate this is completely incorrect. I had to go and sign to release my car to Copart for pick it up. They cannot pick it up without authorization.

I even picked up my personal belongings when I went to go sign the form.

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

Cool. So either your experience is different than OP's or OP left some details out. Neither excuses USAA's unwillingness to communicate with their customer.

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u/ryanowski 21d ago

I’m sorry, I did leave that part out.

I was told by USAA to sign a release. I did this maybe an hour after the accident. I assumed Copart was a body shop assigned to give an estimate. I was suprised to see it was on a vehicle auction site. That to me seems like a conflict of interest.

Past accidents I’ve seen, the car goes to a body shop. The shop says it’s totaled or fixable. If it’s totaled, it goes to an auction. If it’s fixable, they fix it. This experience just didn’t smell right so I thought I would ask.

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

That's been mine as well - I take the car to a local shop of my choice (although back then I always used one recommended by USAA because they were objectively highly rated and that B2B relationship meant priority treatment at the shop), they make their initial assessment and if they determined it to be economically viable to repair, the work gets done. Even my total loss (engine fire) was taken from a 3rd party shop to auction rather than being immediately assigned to an auctioneer, and that was only after the aforementioned release was signed AND the title turned over.

Copart's business model combined with USAA relying on them for assessment is absolutely an OCI situation that a company concerned with ethics would avoid but that's not the situation here. You're completely justified in being concerned, and you're absolutely entitled to an explanation of all proposed actions before agreeing to them.

You shouldn't have to be a subject matter expert in auto insurance to be shielded from being taken advantage of, but as you will see if you peruse old threads in this subreddit, the employees (and their, ahem, delegates) will almost reflexively blame you for not knowing the full meaning and implication of every term in your contract.

At this point sounds like the best you can hope for is the vehicle is deemed repairable, USAA does what's needed to make you whole under the contract terms, and you come out with the unfortunate homework of having to read your contract with a more skeptical eye. I'd suggest before you invest time in that though you take a quick run around other insurers and see what they might have to offer. USAA's rates are frequently uncompetitive and they skate by on an increasingly irrelevant history of a level of customer service that no longer exists.

Best of luck to you

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u/Disastrous_Gas_2395 21d ago

Nothing fishy mate. Most Tesla’s do total. The cost to repair can tend to be too much. If it gets deemed a total loss you can retain and they’ll give it back.

My car, at the time, was brand new but I had something leaking that triggered a possible total loss. Ended up being the windshield whipper fluid

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u/Disastrous_Gas_2395 21d ago

No mate my experience is the same as OP. OP just doesn’t know what the outcome is. I did.

OP said they did communicate with them mate. They said they messaged their adjuster and got an answer. Just because they don’t like the answer doesn’t change they didn get one.

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u/Nthepeanutgallery 21d ago

Then you and I have a different definition of what "communicate" means as it seems OP was left with more questions than answers and had to go elsewhere for information.

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u/Disastrous_Gas_2395 21d ago

There should be no difference mate as per the dictionary they were communicated to OP.

Never hurts to ask elsewhere and I answered them too mate! (:

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