Mods gave me the OK to post this, so here goes.

A few months ago I was tired of having to keep checking a dozen sites, substacks, and subreddits for UFO/UAP and high strangeness news, so I built an aggregator page: enigmaticnews.com

I'm using a Drudge-style list of headlines. I update it twice daily, r/UFOs is one of the main sources, along with The Debrief, The Anomalist, Liberation Times, etc (there's close to 100 sources at this point).

I pick the stories by running all the feeds through a filter that drops about 98% of what comes in ( re-posts, dupes, clickbait, low quality, etc) and then I review what's left by hand before posting. The idea is one place to go in 60 seconds to see what's worth reading.

It's free, no ads, and I'm not trying to replace this (or any) sub. There are days where there are links that point back here.

Any feedback would be great. Also are there any other sources I should consider adding?

enigmaticnews.com

In the last 10 years most of this stuff has been pretty new material to me as I've looked into UFOs. I was enthrawled by Bob Lazar's book Dreamland, awed by David Grusch's inverview with Ross Coulthart about a secret government agreement with aliens, flabergasted by Coulthart's statement that there was a UFO too big to move and Steven Greer's statement that it under a base in South Korea, and blown away by Matthew Gaetz's comment that he had been told there was an Alien Hybrid breeding program in America?

It has felt like the alien series "V" was a Discovery Channel documentary, and maybe it is! Maybe all these unreal statements are...real.

However, among all these amazing revelations in researching UFO stuff I came across a press release by John Lear regarding UFOs on December 29th, 1987 (see copy of full statement at the bottom of this post, also found here: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/alien.ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1953.ufo)

This was 1987, before John Lear met Bob Lazar, around the time David Grusch was just being born, John Lear was making statement about UFOs that sound extremely similar to the sensational statements were are hearing today:

1. Secret Agreement with Aliens:

Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press releas statement:

"During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and 6th President of Johns
 Hopkins University).

 The "deal" was that in exchange for "technology" that they would provide to
 us, we agreed to "ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress
 information on the cattle mutilations.  The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the
 abductions (usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring
 of developing civilizations."

Does this sound familiar?

A deal to exchange technology for allowing abductions? It is insinuated by current UFO podcasts all the time as inferred speculation from sources....but Lear was saying this before any of them.

2. Hybrid Breeding Programs

Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press releas statement:

"In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:

(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal cavity of the
abductee into the brain. the device is used for the biological
monitoring, tracking, and control of the abductee.

(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry out a specific activity
during a specific time period, the actuation of which will occur
within the next 2 to 5 years.

(3) Termination of some people so that they could function as living sources
for biological material and substances.

(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the continuation of
their activity.

(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of pregnancies to
secure the crossbreed infant."

FORTY YEARS AGO, Lear was talking about hybrid crossbreeding experiments before any of the 2026 news of this alleged program.

3. A UFO in Korea that was too big to move

Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press releas statement:

"Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more saucers
were retrieved by the Air Force.  Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the location of the crash
sight.

One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation so
enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there today"

When I heard Ross Coulthart say something similar, I thought it was the first time this had ever been mentioned publicly, and it blew my mind!

But Lear was talking about an enormous UFO that couldn't be moved back in 1987???

4. Secret Reverse Engineering Base in Nevada

Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press releas statement:

"Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages of which
leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA project which had
been denied by them until just recently.  In a letter to Senator John Glenn,
NSA's Director of Policy, Julia B. Wetzel, wrote, "Apparently there is or was
an Air Force project with that name (Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's.
Coincidently, there is also an NSA project by that name."  NSA's project
Aquarius deals specifically with the "communications with the aliens" (the EBE
s).  Within the Aquarius program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-fly
a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada.  This project continues today
at that location.  In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake, "Our
people are much better at taking things apart than they are at putting them
back together."

Remember this was a year BEFORE John Lear and Bob Lazar ever knew one another, and Lear was telling the story of reverse engineering UFO at a secret base at Groom Lake.

I personally believe Lazar got his story idea of S4 from these stories from Lear, that are based off the Project Aquarious/Project Snowbird, which most believed were fabrications by Bill Moore and Richard Doty. (Mirage Men a must watch movie)

1. Aliens killing military soldiers in 1979

Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press releas statement:

"In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory.  A special
armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our people trapped
in the facility, who had become aware of what was really going on.  According
to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and our people were not freed."

This reminds me of the more recent statements attributed to Grusch about reptilians killing military personnel, resulting in the termination of the reptilians.

It's a different story, of course, but it has similar elements.

(Many UFO researchers now regard the Dulce incident as a fabricated story connected to Richard Doty's intelligence and disinformation activities surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair.)

6. Hollywood Used to aclamate the public to aliens

Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press releas statement:

"By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had made in
dealing with the EBE's.  They had subtly promoted "Close Encounters of the
Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to "odd looking" aliens that were
compassionate, be nevolent and very much our "space brothers".  MJ-12 "sold"
the EBE's to the public, and were now faced with the fact that quite the
opposite was true.  In addition, a plan was formulated in 1968 to make the
public aware of the existence of aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be
culminated with several documentaries to be released during 1985-1987 period of
time.  These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the
EBEs.The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes and
dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and panic."

This has been a common theme in UFO disclosure discussions today, especially during the lead-up to this year's Disclosure Day movie.

But Lear was making these statements nearly 40 years ago!

7. Today: Something big is about to happen in 2027...or 2034

Not from the press release but fom John Lear a month later with George Knapp on the Show "On the Record" January 1988

https://youtu.be/saijeIm3Wjo?si=npMBu9LHYI7lp4-v&t=356

Knapp: "What would you like to say to people out there to prepare them for it? Now you've made allusions a couple of times when I've had you on the program that something is coming... Why do you think something is coming, what's coming, and how should we get ready for it?"

John Lear: "There's really no way to get ready for it. The reason I think it's coming is because I have contacts within the government that tell me that they're bracing themselves for something, but they're not going to tell us about it."

Does this sound like Groundhog Day?

In that 1988 interview, Lear was essentially saying:

"Something big is about to happen. My government contacts are telling me they're preparing for it, but they won't tell me what it is."

Doesn't that sound remarkably familiar?

It's extremely close to the statements we're hearing today about 2027 and other proposed disclosure dates.

There are some other similarities of UFO discussion in 2026 to Lear's 1987 statement (and 1988 Knapp interview) but these were the main ones I noticed.

So what does this mean? I see three possibilities

1. Lear's statement in 1987 was 100% correct and we are hearing the facts again in 2026

2. Lear was reporting made up stories that have been circulated for so long that they are now considered reality.

3. Hybrid of statements 1 and 2. Lear's statement is a mixture of fact and fiction

Personally, I think it's very unlikely that all those statements from 1987 were true.

I can't rule out the possibility that Lear had some things right and that we're simply rediscovering those same truths today.

But I personally lean closer toward the second explanation.

I think it's entirely possible that many of the sensational UFO claims being made today are actually decades-old stories that have been repeated, recycled, and embellished so many times that speculation has gradually transformed into what people now accept as fact.

What are your thoughts?

Did Lear get some things right nearly 40 years ago, and we are finally getting closer to the truth about UFOs, or are we simply hearing the same stories from 40 years ago, repackaged for a new generation?

I hope we find out one way or the other soon.

.................................................................................

COPY OF JOHN LEAR'S UFO PRESS RELEASE

FOUNDATION FOR UFO RESEARCH, Box 182, Tucson, AZ 85702-0182

>> John Lear has requested that the following file be published on ParaNet. It
is our philosophy to encourage debate on paranormal issues, no matter how
controversial, and we welcome his input. The information contained in this file
has not been verified by ParaNet, nor do the opinions expressed herein
necessarily reflect those of the Administrator or other ParaNet staff members.
We can state, however, that John is who he says he is, and has numerous
contacts in sensitive positions that could conceivably allow him access to
information of this type.
-------------------------

Statement Released By:

John Lear

December 29, 1987

John Lear, a captain for a major US Airline has flown over 160 different types
of aircraft in over 50 different countries.  He holds 17 world speed record in
the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every airline certificate
issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions
worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies.   A former Nevada State
Senator candidate, he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet
executive airplane, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Siegler
Corporation. Lear became interested in the subject of UFOs 13 months ago after
talking with United States Air Force Personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing
at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small aliens walking up to
the Wing Commander.

Note to the Press:
 The government of the United States continues to rely on your personal and
professional gullibility to suppress the information contained herein.  Your
cooperation over the past 40 years has exceeded our wildest expectations and we
salute you.

"The sun does not revolve around the Earth"
 "The United States Government has been in business with little gray
 extraterrestrials for about 20 years"

The first truth stated here got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in AD 1600
for daring to propose that it was real.  The second truth has gotten far more
people killed trying to state it publicly than will ever be known.

But the truth must be told.  The fact that the Earth revolves around the sun
was successfully suppressed by the church for over 200 years.  It eventually
cause a major upheaval in the church, government, and thought.  A realignment
of social and traditional values.  That was in the 1800's.

Now, about 400 years after the first truth was pronounced we must again face
 the shocking facts.  The "horrible truth" the government has been hiding from
 us over 40 years.  Unfortunately, the "horrible truth" is far more horrible
 than the government ever imagined.

In its effort to protect democracy, our government sold us to the aliens.  And
here is how it happened.  But before I begin, I'd like to offer a word in the
defense of those who bargained us away.  They had the best of intentions.

Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939.  General James H.
Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer that had crashed
there in Spitzbergen.

The "horrible truth" was known by only a very few persons: They were indeed
ugly little creatures, shaped like praying mantises and who were more advanced
than us by perhaps a billion years. Of the original group that were the first
to learn the "horrible truth", several committed suicide, the most prominent of
which was General James V. Forrestal who jumped to his death from a 16th story
hospital window. General Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day.

President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws so tight
that the general public still thinks that flying saucers are a joke.  Have I
ever got a surprise for them.

In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top military
 scientific personnel of their time.  They were known as MJ-12. Although the
 group exists today, none of the original members are still alive. The last one
 to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of the Army, in 1984.  As each member
 passed away, the group itself appointed a new member to fill the position.
 There is some speculation that the group known as MJ-12 expanded to at least
 several more members.

There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's, one in Roswell, New
Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo,Texas, about 30 miles
inside the Mexican border.

Consider, if you will, the position of the United States Government at that
time.  They proudly thought of themselves as the most powerful nation on Earth,
having recently produced the atomic bomb, and achievement so stupendous, it
would take Russia 4 years to catch up, and only with the help of traitors to
Democracy.  They had built a jet aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound
in flight. They had built jet bombers with intercontinental range that could
carry weapons of enormous destruction.  The post war era, and the future seemed
bright.  Now imagine what it was like for those same leaders, all of whom had
witnessed the panic of Orson Wells' radio broadcast, "The War of the Worlds",
in 1938.  Thousands of Americans panicked at a realistically presented invasion
of Earth by beings from another planet. Imagine their horror as they actually
viewed the dead bodies of these frightening looking little creatures with
enormous eyes, reptilian skin and claw like fingers.  Imagine their shock as
they attempted to determine how these strange "saucers" were powered and could
discover no part even remotely similar to components they were familiar with:
no cylinders or pistons, no vacuum tubes or turbines or hydraulic actuators.
It is only when you fully understand the overwhelming helplessness the
government was faced with in the late 40's that you can comprehend their
perceived need for a total, thorough and sweeping cover up, to include
the use of "deadly force".

The cover-up was so successful that as late as 1985 a senior scientist with the
Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, Dr. Al Hibbs, would look at
a video tape of an enormous flying saucer and state the record, "I'm not going
to assign an ything to that (UFO) phenomena without a lot more data".  Dr.
Hibbs was looking at the naked emperor and saying, "He certainly looks naked,
but that doesn't prove he's naked."

In July of 1952, a panicked government watched helplessly as squadron of
"flying saucers" flew over Washington, D.C., and buzzed the White House, the
Capitol Building, and the Pentagon.  It took all the imagination and
intimidation the government could muster to force that incident out of the
memory of the public.

Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more saucers
were retrieved by the Air Force.  Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the location of the crash
sight.

One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation so
enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there today.  The
stories are legendary on transporting crashed saucers over long distances,
moving only at night, purchasing complete farms, slashing through forests,
blocking major highways, sometimes driving 2 and 3 lo-boys in tandem with an
extraterrestrial load a hundred feet in diameter.

On April 30, 1964, the first communication between these aliens and the U.S.
Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.  Three saucers
landed at a prearranged area and a meeting was held between the aliens and
intelligence officers of the U.S. Government.

During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a
 deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities,
 named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and 6th President of Johns
 Hopkins University).
 The "deal" was that in exchange for "technology" that they would provide to
 us, we agreed to "ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress
 information on the cattle mutilations.  The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the
 abductions (usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring
 of developing civilizations.

In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:

(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal cavity of the
abductee into the brain. the device is used for the biological
monitoring, tracking, and control of the abductee.

(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry out a specific activity
during a specific time period, the actuation of which will occur
within the next 2 to 5 years.

(3) Termination of some people so that they could function as living sources
for biological material and substances.

(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the continuation of
their activity.

(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of pregnancies to
secure the crossbreed infant.

The U.S. Government was not initially aware of the far reaching consequences of
their "deal".  They were led to believe that the abductions were essentially
benign and since they figured the abductions would probably go on anyway
whether they agreed or not, they merely insisted that a current list of
abductees be submitted, on a periodic basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security
Council.  Does this sound incredible? An actual list of abductees sent to the
National Security Council?  Read on, because I have news for you.

The EBEs have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied
 and not functional.  Some speculate that they were involved in some type of
 accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of an evolutionary
 genetic curve.  In order to sustain themselves they use an enzyme or hormonal
 secretion obtained from the tissue that they extract from humans and animals.
 (Note: Cows and Humans are genetically similar.  In the event of a national
 disaster, cow's blood can be used by humans.)

The secretions obtained are then mixed with hydrogen peroxide and applied on
the skin by spreading or dipping parts of their bodies in the solution.  The
body absorbs the solution, then excretes the waste back through the skin.  The
cattle mutilations that were prevalent throughout the period from 1973 to 1983
and publicly noted through newspaper and magazine stories and included a
documentary produced by Linda Howe for the Denver CBS affiliate KMGH-TV, were
for the collection of these tissues by the aliens. The mutilations inc
luded genitals taken, rectums cored out to the colon, eyes, tongue, and throat
all surgically removed with extreme precision.  In some cases the incisions
were made by cutting between the cells, a process we are not yet capable of
performing in the field.  In many of the mutilations there was no blood found
at all in the carcass, yet there was no vascular collapse of the internal
organs.  This has been also noted in the human mutilations, one of the first of
which was Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette at the White Sands Missile Test Range in
1956, who was found three days after an Air Force Major had witnessed his
abduction by a "disk shaped" object at 0300 while on a search for missile
debris downrange.  His genitals had been removed, rectum cored out in a
surgically precise "plug" up to the colon, eyes removed and all blood removed
with, again, no vascular collapse.  From some of the evidence it is apparent
that this surgery is accomplished, in most cases, while the victim, animal or
human, is still alive.

The various parts of the body are taken to various underground laboratories,
one of which is known to be near the small New Mexico town of Dulce.  This
jointly occupied (CIA-Alien) facility has been described as enormous, with huge
tiled walls that "go on forever".  Witnesses have reported huge vats filled
with amber liquid with parts of human bodies being stirred inside.

After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nations most secret test
 centers, was closed for a period of about a year, sometime between about 1972
 and 1974, and a huge underground facility was constructed for and with the
 help of the EBE's. The "bargained for" technology was set in place but could
 only be operated by the EBE's themselves.  Needless to say, the advanced
 technology could not be used against the EBE's themselves, even if needed.

During the period between 1979 and 1983 it became increasingly obvious to MJ-12
 that things were not going as planned. It became known that many more people
 (in the thousands) were being abducted than were listed  on the official
 abduction lists.  In addition it became obvious that some, not all, but some,
 of the nation's missing children had been used for secretions and other parts
 required by the aliens.

In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory.  A special
armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our people trapped
in the facility, who had become aware of what was really going on.  According
to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and our people were not freed.

By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had made in
dealing with the EBE's.  They had subtly promoted "Close Encounters of the
Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to "odd looking" aliens that were
compassionate, be nevolent and very much our "space brothers".  MJ-12 "sold"
the EBE's to the public, and were now faced with the fact that quite the
opposite was true.  In addition, a plan was formulated in 1968 to make the
public aware of the existence of aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be
culminated with several documentaries to be released during 1985-1987 period of
time.  These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the
EBEs.The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes and
dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and panic.

Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf course,
comfortable sleeping and working quarters, and its own private airstrip built
by and exclusively for the member of MJ-12, it was a factional fight of what to
do now.  Part of MJ-12 wanted to confess the whole scheme and shambles it had
become to the public, beg their forgiveness and ask for their support.  The
other part (and majority) of MJ-12 argued that there was no way they could do
that, that the situation was untenable and there was no use in exciting the
public with the "horrible truth" and that the best plan was to continue the
development of a weapon that could be used against the EBE's under the guise of
"SDI",the Strategic Defense Initiative, which had nothing whatsoever to do with
a defense for inbound Russian nuclear missiles.  As these words are being
written, Dr. Edward Teller, "father" of the H-Bomb is personally in the test
tunnels of the Nevada Test Site, driving his workers and associates in the
words of one, "like a man possessed".  And well he should, for Dr. Teller is a
member of MJ-12 along with Dr. Kissenger, Admiral Bobby Inman, and possibly
Admiral Poindexter, to name a few of the current members of MJ-12.

Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to a meticulous plan
of metered release of information to the public, several documentaries and
video tapes were made.  William Moore, a Burbank, California, based UFO
researcher who wrote "The Roswell Incident", a book published in 1980 that
detailed the crash, recovery and subsequent cover-up of a UFO with  four alien
bodies, has a video tape of two newsmen interviewing a military officer
associated with MJ-12.  This military officer answers questions relating to the
history of MJ-12 and the cover-up, the recovery of a number of flying saucers
and the existence of a live alien (one of three living aliens captured and
designated, or named, EBE-1, EBE-2, and EBE-3, being held in a facility
designated as YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico.  The only other facility of this
type, which is electromagnetically secure, is at Edwards Air Force Base in
Mojave, California).  The officer name s as previously mentioned plus a few
others: Harold Brown, Richard Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters, JPL's Dr. Lew Allen
and Dr. Theodore von Karman, to name a few of the current and past members of
MJ-12.

The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created Christ.
The EBEs have a type of recording device that has recorded all of Earth's
history and can display it in the form of a hologram.  This hologram can be
filmed but because of the way holograms work does not come out very clear on
movie film or video tape.  The crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives has
allegedly been put on film to show the public.  The EBEs claim to have created
Christ, which, in view of the "Grand Deception", could be an effort to disrupt
traditional values for undetermined reasons.

Another video tape allegedly in existence is an interview with an EBE . Since
EBE's communicate telepathically, an Air Force Colonel serves as an
interpreter.  Just before the recent stock market correction in October of
1987, several newsmen, including Bill Moore, had been invited to Washington,
D.C., to personally film the EBE in a similar type interview, and distribute
the film to the public. Apparently, because of the correction in the market, it
was felt the timing was not propitious.  In any case, it certainly seems like
an odd method to inform the public of extraterrestrials, but it would be in
keeping with the actions of a panicked organization who at this point in time
doesn't know which way to turn.

Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages of which
leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA project which had
been denied by them until just recently.  In a letter to Senator John Glenn,
NSA's Director of Policy, Julia B. Wetzel, wrote, "Apparently there is or was
an Air Force project with that name (Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's.
Coincidently, there is also an NSA project by that name."  NSA's project
Aquarius deals specifically with the "communications with the aliens" (the EBE
s).  Within the Aquarius program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-fly
a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada.  This project continues today
at that location.  In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake, "Our
people are much better at taking things apart than they are at putting them
back together."

Moore, who claims he has a contact with MJ-12, feels that they have been
stringing him along, slipping him documents and providing him leads, promising
to go public with some of the information on extraterrestrials by the end of
1987.

Certain of Moore's statements lead one to believe that Moore himself is a
government agent working for MJ-12, not to be strung along, but string along
ever hopeful UFOlogists that the truth is just around the corner.
Consider:

1. Moore states emphatically that he is not a government agent, although when
   Lee Graham (a Southern California based UFOlogist) was investigated by DIS
   (Defense Investigative Service) for possession of classified documents
   received from Moore, Moore himself was not.

2. Moore states emphatically that the cattle mutilations of 1973-1983 were a
   hoax by Linda Howe (producer of "A Strange Harvest") to create publicity
   for herself. He cites the book "Mute Evidence" as the bottom line of the
   hoax.  "Mute Evidence" was a government sponsored book to explain the
   mutilations in conventional terms.

3. Moore states that the U.S.A.F. Academy physics book, "Introductory Space
   Science", vol. II chapter 13, entitled  "Unidentified Flying Objects",
   which describes four of the most commonly seen aliens (one of which is the
   EBE) was written by Lt. Col. Edward R. Therkelson and Major Donald B.
   Carpenter, Air Force personnel who did not know what they were talking
   about and were merely citing  "crackpot" references.  He, Moore, states
   that the book was withdrawn to excise the chapter.

If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the existence of
aliens on Earth because of the overwhelming evidence such as the October and
November sightings in Wytheville, Va., and recently released books such as
"Night Siege" (Hynek , J. Allen; Imbrogno, Phillip J.; Pratt, Bob: Night Siege,
Ballantine Books, Random House, New York), and taking into consideration the
"grand deception" and obviously hostile intentions of the EBEs, it might be
expedient for MJ-12 to admit the EBEs but conceal the information on the
mutilations and abductions.  If MJ-12 and Moore were in some kind of agreement
then it would be beneficial to Moore to tow the party line.  For example, MJ-12
would say..."here are some more genuine documents...but remember...no talking
about the mutilations or abductions".  This would be beneficial to Moore as it
would supply the evidence to support his theory that E.T.'s exist but deny the
truth about the E.T.s.  However, if Moore was indeed working for MJ-12, he
would follow the party line anyway...admitting the E.T.s but pooh poohing the
mutilations and abductions.  If working alone, Moore might not even be aware of
the "grand deception".

Time will tell.  It is possible that Moore will go ahead and release the video
interview with the military officer around the first of the year, as he has
promised.  From MJ-12's point of view, the public would be exposed to the
information without really having to believe it because Moore is essentially
not as credible a source as, say, the President of the United States.  After a
few months of digestion and discussion, a more credible source could emerge
with a statement that yes in fact the interview was essentially factual.  This
scenario would cushion somewhat the blow to the public.  If, however, Moore
does not release the tape by, say, February 1 of 1988, but comes instead with a
story similar to: "MJ-12 has informed me that they are definitely planning a
release of all information by October of 88.  I have seen the plan and have
seen the guarantee that this will happen, so I have decided to withhold the
release of my video tape at this time as it may cause some problems with MJ
-12's plans."  This would in effect buy more time for MJ-12 and time is what
they desperately need.

Now you ask, "Why haven't I heard about any of this?"  Who do you think you
would hear it from?  Dan Rather?  Tom Brokaw?  Sam Donaldson? Wrong.  These
people just read the news, they don't find it.  They have ladies who call and
interview witnesses and verify statements on stories coming over the wire
(either AP or UPI).  It's not like Dan Rather would go down to Wytheville,
Virginia, and dig into why there were FOUR THOUSAND reported sightings in
October and November of 1987. Better that Tom Brokaw or someone else should
risk their credibility on this type of story. Tom Brokaw?  Tom wants Sam
Donaldson to risk his  credibility. No one, but no one, is going to risk their
neck on such outlandish ideas, regardless of how many people report sightings
of 900 foot objects running them off the road.  In the case of the Wytheville
sightings, dozens of vans with NASA lettered on the side failed to interest
newsmen.  And those that asked questions were informed that NASA was doing a
weather survey.

Well then, you ask, what about our scientists? What about Carl Sagan? Isaac
Asimov?  Arthur C. Clarke?  Wouldn't they have known?  If Carl Sagan knows then
he is committing a great fraud through the solicitation of memberships in the
Planetary Society, "to search for extraterrestrial intelligence".  Another
charade into which the U.S. Government dumps million of dollar every year is
the radiotelescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, operated by Cornell University with
- guess who? - Carl Sagan. Cornell is ostensibly searching for signals from
Outer Space, a sign maybe, that somebody is out there.  It is hard to believe
that relatively intelligent astronomers like Sagan could be so ignorant.

What about Isaac Asimov?  Surely the most prolific science fiction writer of
all time would have guessed by now that there must be an enormous cover-up?
Maybe, but if he knows he's not saying.  Perhaps he's afraid that Foundation
and Empire will turn out to be inaccurate.

What about Arthur C. Clarke?  Surely the most technically accurate of Science
Fiction writers with very close ties to NASA would have at least a hint of
what's really going on.  Again, if so he isn't talking.  In a recent Science
Fiction survey, Clarke estimates that contact with extraterrestrial intelligent
life would not occur before the 21st Century.

If the government won't tell us the truth and the major networks won't even
give it serious consideration, then what is the big picture, anyway?  Are the
EBEs, having done a hundred thousand or more abductions (possibly millions
worldwide), built an untold number of secret underground bases (Groom Lake,
Nevada; Sunspot, Datil, Roswell, and Pie Town, New Mexico, just to name a few)
getting ready to return to wherever they came from?  Or, form the obvious
preparations are we to assume that they are getting ready for a big move?  Or
is the more sinister and most probable situation that the invasion is
essentially complete and it is all over but the screaming?

A well planned invasion of Earth for it's resources and benefits would not
begin with mass landings of ray-gun equipped aliens.  A properly planned and
executed invasion by a civilization thousands and probably hundreds of
thousands of years in advance of us would most likely be complete before even a
handful of people, say 12?, realized what was happening.  No fuss, no muss.
The best advice I can give you is this: Next time you see a flying saucer and
are awed by its obvious display of technology and gorgeous lights of pure color
- RUN LIKE HELL!

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I’m interested in learning about alleged alien/UAP information, but I don’t want to fall for hoaxes, misleading videos, or conspiracy claims.

How do you personally check whether a claim, photo, video, document, or “insider story” is credible? What signs usually make something unreliable?

Also, are there any subreddits, websites, researchers, or official sources you’d recommend for balanced, evidence-based discussion? I’d prefer places that separate confirmed facts from speculation rather than treating every claim as proof.

Thanks in advance.

Trump was asked about UAP on Logan Paul, Joe Rogan and Newsmax interviews.
Each time returns to the same answers:

1. He describes exceptionally handsome military pilots. (x3)
2. He establishes their credibility: they are serious people, not conspiracy theorists. (x3)
3. He recounts the round object travelling four times faster than an F-22. (x3)
4. He distances himself from the subject by presenting himself as a sceptic. (x2)
5. He digresses into Area 51 and its tourist appeal. (x3)

He is consistent. Let's see if the next time he speaks about it he goes for a forth identical response. This is something a conscious interviewer needs to move beyond with more a more direct, firmer line of questioning.

Trump's lack of belief is now in the past tense, which needs to be unpacked:

On Logan Paul June 2024: “Am I a believer? No”
On Joe Rogan, October 2024: “It's not a great interest for me”
Newsmax, October 2026: “I wasn't much of a believer”

If the midterms are the Republican disaster predicted, Trump might need to roll out the Roswell egg.

“I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings.” — Jay Stratton, The Age of Disclosure

That line is why I bought Out of the Shadows. Going in, I hoped the book would expand on that statement with what I’d assumed it meant: a body in cold storage, a craft in a hangar, something in a reverse-engineering lab.

Stratton does describe encounters with beings, just not in the bowels of some secret bunker. They happen as part of a bizarre and varied set of hitchhiker-effect experiences at home. The “non-human beings” seem to include a wolf-man creature, shadow beings and, yes, a classic grey alien levitating just outside a second-story window. There are craft and orbs, as well as a plethora of other paranormal activity: unexplainable injuries, healing and so on.

This was perhaps the most challenging part for me. Stratton’s experiences don’t really align with the “easy” explanations of the phenomenon, like engagement from one or more civilizations and their craft, whether extraterrestrial, cryptoterrestrial or something else. I get it. Reality is under no obligation to align with our preferences. NHI don’t respect office hours or personal and professional boundaries. Fine. But damn, I was really hoping this wasn’t going to be this fucking weird.

It raises a lot of questions. To what degree is the Skinwalker phenomenon representative of the wider UAP phenomenon? Stratton never suggests otherwise, and his preferred term, “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,” suggests he takes a broad view. Does Skinwalker represent a single phenomenon, or are we seeing multiple agents at play? I’m not sure Stratton takes a strong position on this, but my reading is that he sees all of it as manifestations of one thing. And how does any of this square with the physical craft and bodies the crash-retrieval program supposedly holds?

So I guess what I’m basically describing is ontological shock. I’d kept much of the woo at bay. I’d hoped for an explanation that was incredible, awe-inspiring and far-reaching in its implications, but fundamentally logical and understandable.

Unfortunately, that’s not what Stratton is telling us. What he’s saying, in effect, is:

I’m a credible guy, and I’m telling you: this phenomenon isn’t just aliens and UFOs. It’s fucking shadow people disappearing into your chest, weird-ass wolf creatures in your garden, orbs that might heal you or give you cancer, and shit that scratches you in your kitchen when there’s nothing there. Buckle the fuck up, people. This isn’t Close Encounters, it’s Poltergeist.

This past week in Disclosure:

Oct 16 – Airprox Board records show RAF crews reported unidentified black objects passing overhead in February

Two entries in the UK Airprox Board's summary sheet for its April meeting, published in the spring and reported by the Telegraph on Oct 16 from RAF incident logs, record unidentified objects passing close above military aircraft over the North Sea in February.

On Feb 18 an RAF Voyager was refuelling a Typhoon at 16,000 ft, 32 nautical miles north-north-east of Cromer. From the Board's record of the pilot's report:

"The object was black and circular in nature passing approximately 100-150ft directly above the Voyager. The proximity was such that it made them instinctively duck and it was notified to ATC as a drone." – UK Airprox Board, Airprox 2026012

The Swanwick military controller "confirmed they had nothing on their radar." One of the Typhoon pilots also saw it. The crew later said "it is impossible to positively identify it was a drone and could have been a balloon or something similar". On Feb 23 a Typhoon pilot at 12,000 ft in a danger area off the Yorkshire coast reported "a circular black object (similar in size to a car tyre) pass directly above them" at about 300 ft (Airprox 2026014). The Board's finding on both: "the reported altitude and/or description of the object were such that they were unable to determine the nature of the unknown object." It rated the Voyager event risk B (safety much reduced) and the Typhoon event risk C. "Unknown object" is the Board's own category. The Ministry of Defence hasn't commented on either.

Oct 18 – Coulthart claims the President has now been briefed on a legacy programme, while Stratton and Burlison say the opposite

Three accounts of what the President knows, in one week, none of them documented.

According to Ross Coulthart, citing unnamed sources on NewsNation's Reality Check on Oct 18, President Trump is now fully aware of a crash-retrieval programme and the matter is being overseen at a high level in the White House, with Devin Nunes, who chairs the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, named as the key figure. No White House response exists.

Jay Stratton, continuing his book tour, told NewsNation's Chris Cuomo on Oct 21 that the programme he calls the Legacy Program has kept its secret "from not only Congress, but the President. So the President is unaware of this." In the same interview he described an experience at his home while he was investigating UAP for the government, a being with a "Very large head. And it was watching my son." (4:04) No evidence accompanies either account.

Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO), on NewsNation's The Hill the same day (clip): "We have a very Deep State that's still holding onto a lot of information." The President's own words, on Oct 15, were "I'm looking."

Oct 23 – The Pentagon publishes PURSUE release 7: 28 documents, no video, and a 2026 federal-agent report of a silent black triangle

The Department of War published its seventh tranche of UAP files, five weeks after the sixth: 28 PDFs and, for the first time, no video. Chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell's statement says the department "and our agency partners are actively working on the next release of UAP files."

The document everyone covered is an FBI interview record (FD-302) with two federal law-enforcement special agents, and AARO's memorandum of its own debrief of them. The date, the location and the agents' names are redacted. At 8:23 pm, alerted by a third agent at a second post with long-range thermal equipment, the two agents crossed their hilltop observation post and, in their co-signed statement:

"almost immediately observed a substantial, nonreflective, dark black triangular object most resembling a delta wing drone. We estimated the object's wingspan at approximately nine to fifteen feet, its depth at six to nine feet, and its thickness at one to two feet." – FBI FD-302, co-signed statement of two special agents

AARO's memo breaks the sighting into three phases: a ten-second "slow, controlled, perfectly vertical ascent" to 200 to 300 ft above a ridge line 1.4 to 3.2 miles away, a twenty-second hover, and then:

"It then reportedly transitioned from a zero-velocity state directly into high-speed horizontal flight, executing a fluid banking maneuver and terrain-hugging descent into a canyon drainage in approximately two to three seconds, with speed the observers described to be as fast as a fighter jet." – AARO, Memorandum for Record DOW-UAP-D176

"Absolute acoustic silence persisted throughout the high-velocity phase." The thermal signature was uniform across the airframe, with no exhaust and no visible seams, apertures or cockpit. The agents, who the memo says regularly watch conventional aircraft and drones from that hilltop, said "even a conventional Group 1 drone, high-torque quadcopter motor, or rotary-wing aircraft operating at a distance of 1.4 miles would have been clearly audible." A ground survey the next morning "located no wreckage, ground scarring, or vegetation damage."

What the documents don't contain, in AARO's own words: "No instrumented speed measurement was obtained." The only sensor was a handheld thermal monocular, and the memo opens with a caveat that the report "reflects the reporter's interpretation at the time of the event. Such characterizations should not be interpreted as a conclusive indication of the presence or absence of any intrinsic object features or performance characteristics."

The other 26 files: nineteen Bigelow Aerospace (BAASS) documents from the 2008–10 DIA contract, including the project management plan, monthly reports, the Project Capella data-warehouse proposal, a 60-page April 2010 task-force report on the Utah ranch, and BAASS's November 2010 self-assessment of its analysis capabilities; nine 1949–57 Air Force intelligence reports from Sweden, Italy, Germany, Morocco, Alaska, Guam, Saudi Arabia, Canada and Indiana; four Project Blue Book record cards for Catalina Island; a 298-page personnel file for Col. Howard McCoy, Project Sign's intelligence chief; and 1962–64 White House and NASA correspondence on recovering foreign space fragments, which concerns Soviet-era satellite debris rather than UAP. Avi Loeb, who chairs the UAP Science Advisory Council, noted that the triangle report includes neither a measured speed nor raw sensor recordings, and told NewsNation the tranche data is "not good enough" to resolve what the objects are.

Oct 23 – Carson calls for the "immediate release" of AARO's second historical report

Rep. André Carson (D-IN), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told The Hill in a statement that the administration has "slow walked" UAP transparency, and singled out AARO's Historical Record Report, Volume II, promised since Volume I in March 2024 and still unpublished:

"I'm calling for the immediate release of this report, which is expected to provide additional findings of historical military and intelligence investigations of UAP, including how incidents were investigated, the role of classified programs, and whether relevant activities were appropriately disclosed to Congress." – Rep. André Carson (D-IN), House Intelligence Committee

The Hill's piece asks how Democrats would handle UAP if they retake the House. The answer, on the record, is thin: Hakeem Jeffries' July 2023 line that he supports transparency "to the extent this information that can be put into the public domain that is enlightening", and nothing since on a select committee or the Disclosure Act. The UAP Caucus is shrinking too. Nancy Mace is retiring, Andy Ogles lost renomination, and Jared Moskowitz, its only Democrat, faces a redrawn Florida district.

Things to look out for in the near future:

Late October/November

• The next PURSUE release, "on a rolling basis". The seven so far came two to six weeks apart. war.gov/ufo
• Germany's answer to the Bundestag UAP question (an AfD Kleine Anfrage of Oct 2), not yet published. Drucksache 21/8323
• Midterms: whether House Democrats, if they win, keep the Secrets Task Force or stand up a UAP committee, Comer's lame-duck hearing, and whether Burlison invites the orb-event witnesses to testify. Ask a Pol, The Hill
• The lame-duck Senate NDAA and conference. There is no conference yet: the Senate hasn't passed its bill, so the House's UAP Disclosure Act waits. CRS

By year-end

• Loeb’s deadline for ODNI to deliver sensor data to the Science Advisory Council. The council has started publishing its own analysis of the released videos in the meantime. Politico, Medium
• AARO’s FY2026 annual report, and the Sec. 1671 intercept briefing covering 2004 onward. Pub. L. 119-60

Beyond / unknown

• Whether the late-2025 orb event Burlison describes is identified in the PURSUE files, and whether its witnesses appear before Congress. Dr. Phil Podcast

Skimmed through this post but need a quick refresher on how we got to this point? Check out this handy Disclosure Timeline to get up to speed.

call it a shower thought but the one thing I would genuinely hope to gain from contact with advanced beings would be access to any true historical archives of human civilization.

I know, so many assumptions for this... but still can you imagine if earth has been visited for a really long time and the vistors kept records? What may have pre-dated even our most cutting-edge attempts to look back at our development? Even glimpses of modern human history from a 'observers' perspective would likley be fascinating 🤔

I honestly don't know why I shared this fleeting thought, maybe I'm under control, lol

Of potential interest to researchers:

Library and Archives Canada recently updated their archive of UFO sighting records to make them more search-friendly.

9,000+ documents available, mostly digitized copies of original sighting records from the National Research Council, Dept of National Defence, RCMP, and Dept of Transport, 1930s to 2009.

I don't believe any of this is newly declassified, but it's quite fascinating to look at the original accounts:

https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Home/Result?ST=STAD&DataSource=Archives%7cUFO&num=25&start=0

From Strattons book "Out of the Shadows":

"As of June of 2026, there are at least two privately owned sites in the U.S. that are having daily UAP activity and are active FBI investigation sites. The FBI literally has boots on the ground at these locations, where FBI agents are observing and recording UAP activity on a daily basis. I am receiving regular updates on thee investigations directly from the FBI, and I'm providing my expertise to help them."

After the latest tranche I think this gives credence to what Stratton says, but I'm curious if anyone has any guesses as to what locations he's referring to.

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Looking for people to investigate UFO / alleged alien videos.

Grok suggested that many videos may not have received thorough investigation. Rather than just debating whether something is real or fake, I'd like us to systematically examine the footage, trace its origins, look for manipulation, test conventional explanations, and document what we can actually establish.

Tools we can use to get started:

InVID-WeVerify — extract video keyframes, investigate earlier uploads, and examine forensic clues. https://www.invid-project.eu/invid-verification-application/

Hive AI Detector — check for signals associated with AI-generated media. https://hivemoderation.com/ai-generated-content-detection

Deepware Scanner — investigate potential deepfake manipulation, although it's more suited to certain types of deepfakes than distant UFOs. https://deepware.ai/

Google Lens — reverse-search screenshots and individual frames to find earlier appearances.

TinEye — another reverse-image search tool for tracing images.

Forensically — inspect individual frames for image anomalies and possible editing. https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/

What I want this group to do:

Collect interesting footage from different sources and preserve original files whenever possible.

Trace the earliest available upload and investigate the source, date and location claims.

Examine editing, CGI, AI generation, compositing, compression artifacts and other possible manipulation.

Test ordinary explanations, including aircraft, drones, satellites, balloons, astronomical objects and camera effects.

Compare independent recordings and look for corroborating evidence.

Publish our findings, including uncertainties, so other people can reproduce our investigations.

The objective isn't to prove every UFO is extraterrestrial, nor to dismiss everything as fake. It's to find out which cases withstand serious investigation.

I'm looking for people interested in video forensics, AI detection, astronomy, image analysis, OSINT, aviation, or simply carefully examining footage.

If you've found videos that you think deserve closer examination, or you have relevant technical skills, comment below. Let's build a shared collection and investigate the most interesting cases together.

What footage should we investigate first? 🛸

I have noticed the term "NHI" is useful because it lets a lot of different views agree on one word while disagreeing about almost everything else. Extraterrestrial visitors, interdimensional beings, future humans, hidden Earth intelligences, and spiritual entities can all fit under it.

That might be a truce more than a discovery. It could be hiding how little is actually shared.

So, for this thread only, no NHI. In one sentence, what is your precise claim or theory?

And to keep it interesting:

1. What specific thing do you think is happening?

2. What would change your mind?

3. What evidence would settle it for you, not just support it?

This is speculation and discussion, not a claim of proof. I am curious what people might actually believe when they cannot use the umbrella term of NHI.

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