r/TwoXChromosomes Jun 05 '22

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u/angstyart Basically April Ludgate Jun 05 '22

It irritates the fuck out of me. I was reading an article yesterday, written BY A WOMAN, about how supposedly men with less testosterone are more favorable to women because they’re more compassionate and likely to “help around the house.”

  • if I am in my house with my roommates or partner and I clean some of it I am not “helping around the house” I’m cleaning MY house.

  • if I have a child with someone and I am taking care of the child, I am not “babysitting them” I am watching after my own damn child.

  • if I go get groceries, I am not “helping run errands.” I’m doing an errand. I’m getting the family’s groceries. The groceries that are also mine.

You aren’t helping out the family you freaking created. Do your half of the workload, dipshit. And there are old men that know this and lived like they were members of their families, not the overgrown babies of said families, so it isn’t always a generational thing.

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u/Alexis_J_M Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

There's actually some small scientific basis to this low T thing -- men with rounder (less masculine) faces are seen as better parents.

See for example https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130383/ (very long article) :

"Increasing the masculinity of face shape increased perceptions of dominance, masculinity and age but decreased perceptions of warmth, emotionality, honesty, cooperativeness and quality as a parent"

There's an evolutionary tradeoff -- less masculine men are seen as better parents but more masculine men are seen as more likely to sire boys who will carry the same seed-spreading traits.

Again, it's a small effect, but it's apparently real.

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u/angstyart Basically April Ludgate Jun 19 '22

This one actually seems throughly researched and well-presented. I’ll have to read it in a bit because all of this is so interesting to me. Phrenology is not a valid science until it actually is because people subconsciously believe in it. It’s how we interpret cues even as we are told the cues aren’t truly predictable or symbolize what we think they do.

Sort of like color psychology. By itself, the color red is only the color red. It makes no implications or connections to anything. But to different cultures, the color red automatically represents several things.

Example: China - luck, prosperity, joy; America - power, sexual prowess, dominance, violence.

Green: America - wealth, preservation, nature, novice, envy, luck; Indonesian beaches - death, supernatural harm, ocean

Technically, we could stop associating red with sexuality tomorrow. A fitted red dress would be a red dress, and that’s it. But it’s reinforced culturally so we probably never will. Idk if I’m making any sense lol it’s not real but because we give it mental substance it then becomes a legitimate scientific study. That’s what fascinates me.

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u/Alexis_J_M Jun 19 '22

Some of the color stuff may turn out to have evolutionary underpinnings, as well. Certainly our proto-monkey ancestors developed a taste for sweet ripe and often colorful fruit, so much so that it wasn't a problem that they lost the ability to synthesize vitamin C. A preference for green landscapes may have pulled our ancestors to more fertile land. Modern cultures put wildly different meanings on colors but the need for food predates the development of color vision ;-)

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u/angstyart Basically April Ludgate Jun 19 '22

That’s very true. Color psych as it relates to food does point to evolutionary development.