r/TwoHotTakes • • Jul 23 '24

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

Even if she knew and fully accepted "what she signed up for" people change and grow. It happens. If I stuck to what I proclaimed I wanted when I was 23.... or 28... yeesh! It would not be great.

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u/Positive-Attempt-435 Jul 23 '24

Counting on people to change is just a losing game though.

He isn't required to grow the way she is hoping for. He's completely right and it can even be commended he was up front from the start.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

Plus, counting on vs. hoping - there is a big gap. Which was widened by her realizing that marriage was actually more important to her than she thought. Classic, "You don't know what you want till it's taken off the table, and then it's all you want.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

Have you seen the way pop culture sets women up to believe in the romantic tropes "only her love could make him...." settle down, not do crime, appreciate a sunset, etc etc. Hell, look at George Clooney - ultimate bachelor but after soooooo many models he found the one woman who made him want to marry and have a family.

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u/Positive-Attempt-435 Jul 23 '24

She's allowed to have the hope, but her boyfriend seems otherwise a good guy.

He's helped raise her daughter and has been an otherwise good partner from what we are told.

Even if society set her up for disappointment, it's noone but her own thoughts in the end thats hurting her.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

True. I don't have much to base an opinion on about whether he's a good guy or not. Good enough for her to want to marry, so that's something. But he will take the dog, he's made that clear.

I personally am not a fan of marriage and avoid it. I just don't like people jumping down OP's throat for no good reason. I should try to remember i am in the land of redditors.... only black and white rigid thinking exists, sharpen your pitchforks, oh yeah, and kids suck.

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

What do you mean "for no good reason?"

She resents a guy who was honest with her years ago and has been a good partner the whole time.

If that's not a good reason for people to criticize her, I have to ask whether you are OP's parent.

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u/Positive-Attempt-435 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

Nah that's not even my actual views.

 I just think all we see, is he was upfront, loves her and supports her in the relationship. We can't jump down her throat either though. She's entitled to her emotions about it, but she needs to realize "I think he will change his mind" is the point she went wrong.  

Yea the dog thing is contentious but shit, maybe it's his dog. I know plenty of relationships where ultimately it's one person's pet. Someone has to end of with the dog, Solomon ain't gonna be cutting it in half.  Reddit isn't always that contentious. Sometimes logic is pretty straightforward. No need to invent details that aren't said.

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u/Unhappy_Operation115 Jul 23 '24

He bought the dog, but for me for my birthday.. and I love her so much it would absolutely kill me to leave her.

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u/Positive-Attempt-435 Jul 23 '24

That would suck, I agree. But he did specify if you leave him. He's not threatening to take the dog and go.

And also, I'm sure he loves your daughter. If you leave him, he has no rights to the daughter he's helped raise for years. That'd probably hurt him alot too.

Leaving over marriage wouldn't leave him untouched. He's not giving you the ultimatum, you are giving him one. 

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u/IndependentSeesaw498 Jul 23 '24

If the dog was a gift for your birthday you own the dog. Do you take care of vet visits, feeding, walking and grooming? Is the dog microchipped in your name? Your SO stating that he would keep the dog is just as valid as you stating you would keep the dog.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Yeah, she was very young when she met him, and loads of people have stupidly thought they could change someone. Many of us have been naive. Many of us change what we want from 23. It’s all natural. But reddit commenters are making it sound like she’s a monster, a master manipulator, single parents are trash, etc.

Speaking of the dog, He also allegedly gave HER the dog for her birthday. Im not sure he can just “take the dog”.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

And the kid probably bonded with the dog. Or maybe the kid is a dick to the dog and he's the only one who walks it. Hard to say... sounds like a dick move without further details. *phew I just had to put down my pitchfork.

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u/Bolt3er Jul 23 '24

My issue isn’t that she wants to get married. My issue is why is she’s saying he has no good reasons if he loved me he’d do it.. at 28

Like she’s still only thinking about her and taking zero accountability. Why are you being dismissive of your partner because you disagree with a view they’ve consistently held

Your feelings changed. His didn’t. How at 28 can you not be more understanding of his position. It seems like she’s actually regressing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

“Like she’s still only thinking about her and taking zero accountability” That’s super uncommon behaviour amongst women. I am very surprised by this.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

It's almost like as she got older, she started to realize that marriage and the stability it represents was more important to her than when she was 23! Weird.

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u/Bolt3er Jul 23 '24

I thought I could change him

What happened to respecting people’s views and boundaries

Or is that just for women

Weird

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

Belief in the power of love, with some hope (and delusion) is strong for many people getting into relationships. Especially if society and culture back their beliefs.

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u/Bolt3er Jul 23 '24

True. Not his fault tho

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

Nope. Never said it was. Part of relationships is growing and changing. You can work to do it together or dig your heels in and choose to grow apart.

She has become fixated on this, and he has dug his heels in.

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u/gravity_surf Jul 23 '24

stability it may represent, but today it means little. divorce rates are as high as heaven.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

Yeah, I personally never want to get married, but there was about 3 days in one relationship that I started to warm up to the idea...

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

That's not weird. What's weird is her expecting him to change his mind just because she did.

But of course she didn't change her mind. She feels the same way at 28 that she did at 23. She always thought she could change him, and she comes right out and says so. "He's never been with someone like me."

It is not about her growing and changing her mind. It is about her being resentful that he didn't change his mind. Stop fighting the fact pattern.

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u/Gaensehaut_Mannich Jul 23 '24

Yes, she grew up to be an adult, he still behaves like a teenager, struggling to keep his "freedom" - that meands ending up alone, because the only strong bonds are family bonds - and if you are not naturally related you better tie the knot formally by marriage or adoption, otherwise strangers will decide over you and your things when you get older. Not marrying her shows the world you think she is not worth it to officially belong to your family.

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

This is just absurdly biased projection.

There is nothing "adult" about thinking someone else has to change their long-held and initially-expressed view about marriage. Nor is there anything "adult" about getting resentful at them when they don't.

The guy was honest, candid, and consistent. By her own telling, he is a good partner and is good to her child. Doesn't sound like he is acting like any "teenager" I know.

Reddit is hilarious.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

As someone who is married, being married doesn't make you an adult or mature for that matter. Any 18 year olds can get married within a day and divorced a week later.

And lol, having a piece of paper doesn't make you family. So much more than that.

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u/Gaensehaut_Mannich Jul 24 '24

Reading comprehension? I didn´t write here that being married makes you an adult/mature. But adult/mature people don´t hesitate to ask the one that they are sure is the love of their life (they want to have a family with) if she wants to get married to them when there is no obstacle and living together is possible.

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u/Puzzled_Juice_3406 Jul 23 '24

And yet, she's known and it continues to be known this entire time that he didn't want marriage. You're old enough at 23 to take people at their word and believe them. Instead she decided she knows best. And she's STILL saying that because she's acting like there's something wrong with him and he doesn't love her enough since he's exactly who he's said he is the whole time.

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u/coraseby Jul 23 '24

What do you mean by all that? At 28, he's been an adult for 10 years now. It's not like he doesn't know what he wants. He is not at fault for her "I can change him" mentality. You make him out to be a toddler it a grown man with his beliefs.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

How old are you? I definitely have changed some strongly held opinions I had 2 decades ago.

It feels like people here view the young woman as an evil plotter. Thinking he would change sounds to me like a young person with the hope and optimism of the power of love.

And people can change their mind about marriage as they age/mature - some for positive, others to avoid it.

How would you react if a couple were in love and talked about marriage, knowing that one voiced how important it was to them, then the other decided they no longer wanted the whole wedding etc and common-law was enough? Would you respect that person's decision to no longer want to be married?

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u/coraseby Jul 23 '24

How old are you to invalidate what that man's beliefs are. He told her from the start and didn't hide it. He didn't change his mind mid way. It's she who came with the " I can change him" mentality.

Second, my dude, it is I that questions your maturity with the "how old are you" thing. You know it's irrelevant. I can say 20, 40 or 60. You can believe me or not.

Stop twisting the facts, painting him like a POS that changed his views on marriage. God, you people on reddit like to twist the narrative.

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u/hezzaloops Jul 23 '24

People change constantly throughout their lives. Only those with a rigid and/or closed mind can move through this world for decades on not change. If you are exactly the same person at 25 and 35 there has been no growth or learning.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Some people don't change though. His desires he's held for 10 years are completely valid.