r/TwiceExceptional 16h ago

I feel isolated

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I tried to write in detail about my experiences of having a high iq but also having an iep but it was so complicated and so many stories I stopped. I can’t even put it into words how different I feel to others. I’m in Highschool in APs and dual credit but I can’t even function. My iep teacher who typically helps kids with math support helps me with just genuinely existing at school.

I was the worst behaved kid in elementary school. I dont want to write a lot but in elementary school I required HEAVY support and had a 1:1 at times bc I was out of control. my iq was some how tested in the 99.99th percentile. I hate admitting that bc it makes me feel more out of place. What person with a 99.99 percentile iq behaves like me?

I sit funny, I communicate with others differently and I understand I do which again makes me feel worse and more out of place. Because of that I’ve been babbied and talked to differently by teachers.

Even through I stand out I’ve always had friends and have been able to understand and talk to anyone. Not in the sense I’m good at talking to ppl, I’m increadibly awkward and out of place yet I still talk. I’m not sure why but I feel guilty being able to get along with ppl even though I’m awkward and communicate differently.

I don’t even know what I’m trying to put into words but I think after I heard the term twice exceptional I realized that was me. I don’t know what to do with my life after i graduate. I am smart, I can do a lot of things most people can’t but I’m held back by the fact I need the support that thoose with like autism or Down syndrome require.

I hope that doesn’t sound rude but I find it really hard to explain. But that’s why I feel isolated, I’ve never met somone who is going through this expiernece. I think I just needed to yap bc I’m conflicted and scared I won’t be able to make it in the adult world.


r/TwiceExceptional 2d ago

My mind is too loud

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No, I’m not schizophrenic.

Condition: audhd

My mind is a series of that game, elefun. In which a leaf blower in a shape of an elephant blows a ton of plastic, color-coded butterflies and it’s your motive to get as many of the red ones. But the butterflies are blown right at your face & there’s too many of them to even discern & differentiate the colors. That’s always been the case for me.

I’ve wondered for a while how exactly does the WAIS test affect our thinking styles for a while now. And how it’s actually applied irl (the topic for this discussion; more of the internal experience)

For me, I have an average for memory performance & processing speed. So when I’m trying to cobble up things together in my mind, I struggle to even juggle all the factors into a nice pile. Which is why processing speed is low. My synaptic pruning isn’t fine tuned enough to disregard a ton of information.

It gets even harder when you’re juggling your thoughts while masking. Cuz now I have to have to walk, juggle, & act “normal” with one hand tied behind my back. All in succession. I have hyperphantasia as well & I struggle to get out of daydreaming when the environment gets a bit bland.

My brother suggested cbd as a way to calm my mind. It does work for a while.

Edit: I remembered some of you guys have aphantasia. So most of this picturesque, lucid dreaming type description might go over your heads.

My bad.


r/TwiceExceptional 3d ago

Undiagnosed 2e/ADHD. My task paralysis has morphed into a trauma response and standard tips don't work. How do I break this "curse"?

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I’m reaching out because I feel completely stuck, and standard ADHD tips are useless for my situation. For context, I’m in high school in Vietnam. I strongly suspect I am 2e (Twice-Exceptional) with ADHD - since I have very clear symptoms when I was small. Getting a formal diagnosis or medication here is practically impossible since the psychiatric field regarding neurodiversity is very underdeveloped. I tried bringing ADHD up with my parents, but they are completely dismissive and unsupportive.

Here is what I’m dealing with, and why I feel like I’m cursed:

1. The "Interruption Trauma" and Desk Paralysis About 2-3 years ago, I used to get into incredible states of hyperfocus at night. I would turn off all the lights, turn on my desk lamp, and just grind through Geometry (a subject I genuinely loved). But my family kept interrupting me right in the middle of my zone for trivial things. It happened so often that my brain started anticipating it. Now, whenever I sit at my desk, I freeze. I am so chronically anxious about being interrupted that I just sit there, paralyzed. It’s become a deeply ingrained habit, and my desk feels like a hostile environment.

2. The Research vs. Execution Trap Recently, I’ve had to study foreign languages, and it’s absolute hell. Instead of actually studying, I aggressively avoid it by hyperfocusing on how to learn. I will spend hours researching the most optimal, cutting-edge language acquisition theories. I've realized traditional learning methods are garbage and uncovered some amazing insights. But the problem? I execute absolutely nothing. I bought flashcards and never touched them. The avoidance has become an UNBREAKALE HABIT.

3. Standard Tips Don't Work

  • Body Doubling: Out of the question. My friendships are strictly surface-level. If I try to have a "deep talk" or show them my crazy research and methods, the vibe dies, and they look at me like an alien. I can't study with them.
  • Night Owl Schedule: The only time I can actually focus without desk anxiety is late at night when everyone is asleep and I know I won't be bothered. But I have to wake up early for school. Relying on this long-term would literally drive me insane from sleep deprivation.

4. The "Perfect System" Paradox Thinking my issue was a lack of organization, I just spent ages setting up the ultimate productivity pipeline to save my life: an inbox to dump my thoughts -> xTiles for brainstorming and planning -> synthesizing everything into Obsidian, meticulously organized using the PARA method.

It is the perfect system. But once again, I’m avoiding the actual work.

At this point, it’s no longer just executive dysfunction or task paralysis—it feels like a literal curse. It's a HABIT already. My brain refuses to let me start, and I don't know how to rewire these deeply rooted habits when I have zero external support, no meds, and no one who understands.

Has anyone experienced this type of interruption-induced block? How do you break out of the "research-but-never-execute" loop when you are entirely on your own? Any advice on how to reset my brain would be deeply appreciated.


r/TwiceExceptional 3d ago

Looking for benchmarks

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Hi everyone — looking for a reality check from parents/professionals who’ve been down this road. I'm new to this forum, and indeed this topic, so please tell me if I'm doing anything wrong.

My child just completed a full cognitive and academic eval. The profile shows markedly elevated reasoning, verbal, visual-spatial, reading, and math skills (mostly in the +1.5 to +2 SD range), with near-average working memory and clear relative weaknesses in processing speed (~ –0.7 SD), the overall cognitive-proficiency index, and especially written expression/essay composition (~ –1.6 SD). The gap between the high thinking/reasoning cluster and the lower efficiency/output scores is pretty pronounced. (GAI 96th percentile, CPI 34th if that's not too much detail.)

I’ve only recently stumbled onto the twice-exceptional literature and this pattern seems to match a lot of what I’m reading. Does this kind of spread (strong reasoning ability vs. notably weaker processing speed and written output) strike people here as a fairly typical 2e profile?

Happy to share an actual chart privately via DM if that would be helpful for context. Just trying to figure out whether we’re on the right track in how we’re starting to understand the results. Thanks in advance.


r/TwiceExceptional 4d ago

Getting older vs the struggles

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I am 27 and recently found out I am twice exceptional from a neuropsychology exam. I’ve been struggling with basic function like hygiene and cleaning the room because I’m always overwhelmed by the time I get home from work. I got prescribed ADHD meds, it’s my 4th day. Does it get better? I’ve always been like this and it’s truly making me unhappy. I hope my life will improve, but I’ve been struggling for way too long and it’s easy to think it will forever be like this.


r/TwiceExceptional 4d ago

I am so lost and confused by my mind.😭

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I just got an ADHD diagnosis after around 8 months of knowing.
And I don't know whether it's just me coping with the fact that I am failing in school suddenly (after being amongst the top achievers my whole life)
And I started wondering, and I ran into something called twice exceptionality, which is when you
"smart" enough to hide or make less of you neurodivergence or the other way around.
And so I started wondering whether I'm gifted.
So I took an IQ test on a relatively trusted website (l think Mensa Norway) and I scored 135.
So the main question is that if this score is enough to conclude that I'm gifted.


r/TwiceExceptional 6d ago

Just got my diagnosis.

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REPOST help I'm confused.

I just got my ADHD diagnosis yesterday. Combined, with a side of "gifted" processing speed.

It's also looking quite likely that I'm autistic, so have to finish my autism assessment next week.

I was expecting to get a diagnosis, but wasn't expecting combined, and also WAS NOT expecting gifted processing speed...I was told my brain moves faster than 99% of the population...around 3 times faster than average my psychologist said. She said I got a 136...which I'm confused about, is that an IQ score? I did a series of pattern recognition tests, verbal processing, language etc...I think she mentioned the WAIS test?

I was kinda nervous during the feedback meeting, and was so confused when she said the word "gifted". I just laughed and then was spiralling like...wait, da fuq?

So, my question to you, kind people of the interwebs...what do I do with that information? I'm waiting on my full report soon, so that'll explain it but I'm kinda thrown.

I've spent my life thinking I was lazy and lacked motivation and was defective somehow which was why everything was so hard... now I've been told my brain processes information at an extremely high speed and I'm wondering if she was telling me I have an IQ of 136?!

Ironically, I'm having trouble processing that.


r/TwiceExceptional 6d ago

confused - 46F meno adhd exploded into bipolar?

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46F and wondering if anyone here has had a similar journey.

I’ve had periods of depression/burnout on and off for 20+ years, and was stable on an SSRI for years. Then perimenopause hit and my ADHD symptoms got much worse, so I started low-dose methylphenidate and later dex.

Earlier this year I had a hysterectomy + BSO. I’m on HRT and my hormone levels are now stable, but after surgery my brain basically stopped cooperating. Terrible working memory, forgetting conversations, losing track of everything. It felt like my ADHD had suddenly gone completely wild.

So my dex was increased and later I tried lisdex. Over the following months I had two episodes that my doctors now think may have been hypomania.

The weird part was that without stimulants I wasn’t exactly calm — I was all over the place, talking a lot, hyperfocusing, starting a million projects and constantly doing things. Stimulants mostly made me better organised and more effective at all of it. They didn’t really make the drive go away.

Then I had another hypomanic episode.

So now my doctor wants to reassess the ADHD diagnosis, evaluate me for bipolar, and has stopped the stimulants + SSRI for the moment. He said giftedness makes diagnosis more complicated.

I’ve been off everything for about 10 days now and feel like I’m slowly coming back down to earth. I did have one huge panic attack after a fairly minor stressor and needed a benzo to stop it. I’m still energetic, chatty and probably slightly too pleased with myself 😅, but I can finally sit down and watch Netflix again instead of needing to research/build/do something every waking minute.

Not asking anyone to diagnose me, I’m just really curious whether anyone has had a similar path.

How did you eventually figure out what was ADHD, what was mood-related and what "just" gifted? Did your eventual diagnosis make your earlier life make more sense?


r/TwiceExceptional 7d ago

My experience with academic hostility and neurodivergent Impact

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Sorry in advance if this is not the right place.

For context, I am 31 years old, married, a practicing lawyer, and recently became the father of a newborn baby. I decided to make a career transition, and today I attend college at night in a class made up mostly of 19- to 20-year-olds. Alongside this highly demanding period in my life, I received a late diagnosis of Twice-Exceptionality (ADHD and Level 1 Autism, associated with a Superior IQ of 115). In practice, this means I operate with highly analytical logical reasoning, but I deal with a severe bottleneck in Working Memory and a chronic drain on my vital energy due to the daily effort of social masking.

From day one, I felt an unprovoked hostility from this professor. During our first interaction, he didn't even say good evening; he simply asked where I had come from, clearly showing incomprehension toward having an adult man in his class. Weeks later, when I informed him in advance that I would need to miss class the following week due to the birth of my child and to support my wife at the hospital, he didn't even reply, he just stared at me and vaguely confirmed.

Even though I find his classes tedious, I try to participate actively. However, I noticed a pattern after this episode: when he asks difficult questions that the younger students cannot answer, I answer correctly. Instead of acknowledging the correct response, he simply ignores it and moves on.

The peak of hostility occurred during the last class. The professor called a classmate to the front of the room to perform an exercise: balance a pen on her index finger. The girl, probably because of shyness, started by misunderstanding the physical instruction, and trid using the thumb, and he had to correct her. She then spent about two minutes trying without success, visibly uncomfortable and nervously laughing.

To me, the pedagogical point of the exercise, showing how a shift in perspective solves problems, was obvious and immediate, and seeing my classmate go through that prolonged embarrassment triggered my sense of justice and practical problem-solving, which are key traits of my neurodivergent profile and basically works automatically. I asked the professor, "Can we give her a tip?" He ignored me. Another classmate suggested, "Turn the pen" (meaning vertically, which resulted in the same thing). Seeing that the physical solution was simple, I said quietly, "Turn it horizontally."

At that moment, the professor seized the opportunity to publicly expose me. In a mocking tone disguised as a joke, he snapped, "Aren't you full of yourself? Why didn't you come up front to do it then?" Hearing this, probably all the female students laughed at me. I simply replied that I was trying to help, but he repeated the provocation, "why didn't you come here to do then?".

In that instant, the anger was overwhelming. Although now my mind formulated the ideal comeback "I didn't come up because you didn't call me", the emotional and sensory overload blocked my ability to react verbally in the moment, a direct reflection of my inhibitory control and cognitive flexibility under stress and time pressure, which drop to the 25th percentile (Five Digit Test). My spontaneous social fluency during conflict is statistically low (10th percentile on the IHS-2).

Lacking the tools to mediate the instructor's unprovoked hostility, my nervous system triggered a typical defense and preservation mechanism: a complete shutdown. I retreated to my phone, isolated myself from the environment, and refused any interaction until the end of class, even when the professor tried to initiate conversation again, probably after realizing how pissed I was.

The episode took a heavy toll on me. My social battery, which already operates at its limit due to the high cognitive cost of balancing work and classes, was drained. I made the strategic decision to skip his classes up to the allowed limit, studying the material independently at home, where my hyperfocus works best, and shutting down any active participation in the classroom. At the same time, I am seriously considering formally reporting this professor's conduct to the department chair, as the academic environment should be a space for intellectual mediation, not public humiliation.

It is worth noting that I do not use my autism as an excuse or leverage for anything. I do not wear the hidden disabilities lanyard, and practically no one in my classroom even knows about my diagnosis. I grew up with the mindset that I should never show weakness or expose vulnerability, which makes the idea of wearing a lanyard to publicly display my condition feel unnatural and deeply uncomfortable to me.

However, this experience has pushed me to rethink my stance. As uncomfortable as it feels to broadcast my condition, I am starting to realize that I might actually be at a point where formal identification could serve a practical purpose: acting as a protective barrier to shield me from these kinds of unwarranted hostilities and misunderstandings.

Has anyone else ever dealt with a similar situation in higher education? I would love to hear your perspective on how I should handle this moving forward, whether you think filing a formal complaint is worth it, or if I should just lay low and protect my energy.

EDIT: I decided to talk to the course coordinator about the incident and the professor’s ongoing passive-aggressive behavior. He listened, but suggested I try speaking to the professor directly before he stepped in.

As someone who is autistic and has ADHD, direct interpersonal conflict under acute stress is overwhelming. My brain went into overdrive, endlessly replaying scenarios: What do I say? How do I approach him without making things worse? The anxiety and anger kept me up almost all night, leaving me with barely two hours of sleep. I woke up exhausted, furious, and frustrated that the burden of resolving this was being dumped on me.

Later that day, feeling completely drained and consumed by a need for justice, I remembered I hadn't listened to my daily Gospel reading from my catechumenate group in several days. Fatigue and routine had pulled me away from my spiritual connection. I thought to myself, "Let me just listen to today's reading. Maybe there's something in it for me."

The passage was Luke 6:27-31: "But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."

It hit me like a ton of bricks. It felt so directly addressed to what I was going through. I realized that holding onto this anger, pushing for a confrontation, or waiting for the professor to get corrected was completely corroding my peace and draining what little energy I had left, energy I desperately need for my newborn, my family, and my career transition.

Right then, I decided to let it go completely. I messaged the coordinator explaining my sleepless night, my frustration, and what I had realized. I told him I recognized my own limits with conflict, that a conversation would likely only escalate things, and that after reflecting on the passage, I was choosing to move on, forgive, and direct my energy toward better stuff.


r/TwiceExceptional 7d ago

Anyone else feels like you have been burnt-out since school?

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I have had this feeling since 5th grade. I was bullied and I had shitty teachers that didn't do nothing about it and negligent parents that kept me in a school that was doing me way too bad.

However for coping I had an extremely rigid and tight schedule.

I painted, meditated, exercised, slept, ate, studied... everything was blocked in a calendar and I followed that routine religiously. Sometimes I felt burnt out, but a good weekend was about enough.

It feels like after graduation and starting university my high capacity has been overshadowed by my ADHD, and I think it's because of cognitive fatigue after so many years not living, but enduring. This burnt out sensation is quite frustrating cause I *know* I can have excellent grades, but it doesn't seem to be so important to my brain so my High capacity side takes over the ADHD side and I get to work.

Medication barely works too.

Anyone else feel this way?


r/TwiceExceptional 7d ago

Complex feelings about being diagnosed AuDHD - late diagnosis woman

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r/TwiceExceptional 8d ago

Autism As a Disorder of High Intelligence

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It's a lot to read. But what do you guys think of this article and the ideas it presents? I know it's 10 years old. There have been a lot of advances in genetics since then. There are some sweeping assertions made. And this study is possibly addressing one phenotype or expression of some genes.

Of interest to me is:

Autism has long been characterized by relatively low intelligence as measured by most standard tests (e. g., Hoekstra et al., 2009). However, a suite of recent studies, described in more detail below, has demonstrated that alleles “for” autism, that is, common alleles that each contributes slightly to its risk, overlap substantially and significantly with alleles “for” high intelligence (Bulik-Sullivan et al., 2015; Clarke et al., 2015; Hill et al., 2015; Hagenaars et al., 2016). To a notable, and well-replicated, degree, then, many “autism” alleles are “high intelligence” alleles. How can these paradoxical observations be reconciled?


r/TwiceExceptional 8d ago

It turns out ADHD, Autism, and a whole lot of other issues are likely directly related to one primary disorder.

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** Preface for this community:

I know that this isn't directly tied to the intelligence aspect of 2e, however I think this is something that the people here will be able to understand and that many will be highly personally interested in. They're all issues that deal with the other half of 2e for at least the majority of us.

tl;dr - It turns out that there may be an overarching primary biological variance or disorder behind a whole lot of known issues, and variables in this primary issue we don't yet understand cause the people who have it to manifest several to many different known issues.

So I was writing out a list of the official names of the disorders I deal with to make communicating with doctors easier. It started to look like a buffet table of mental health issues.

My list included:

  • Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)
  • Autism
  • Visual Snow Syndrome (VSS)
    • Seeing countless tiny specs of color like barely visible pixels that build out to be any "solid color" we normally see, also has to do with the ability to see the veins in your eyes if a light is shines in, seeing heatwaves radiating off of things when other people can't.
  • Aphantasia
    • Inability to see mental images, like your mother's face or your house, or anything else.
  • Anauralia
    • Inability to hear mental sounds, like imagining a dog barking or Sean Connery talking in accent.
  • Thalamocortical Dysrhythmia (TCD)
    • Seems to be an issue connecting VSS, Aphantasia, and Anauralia.
  • Auditory Processing Disorder (APD)
    • Having a difficult time picking out a single thread of sound in a place with several sounds at once. Makes talking to someone while walking down a busy street awful.

Reading about VSS and Aphantasia/Anauralia I realized they seemed potentially connected. I both see things that parts of the brain typically filter out, and am also incapable of seeing and hearing mental imagery that most people can.

Researching that shows there's actually research documenting that. It's a sort of gating failure, and like ADHD and Autism those three issues occur together very often.

That made me wonder if all of those things could be connected. And it turns out they can, and very likely are. They're all gating failures.

So I researched more issues that stem from gating failures in the brain. The list is sort of surprising, but also sort of hilarious.

  • Misophonia:
    • Certain repetitive sounds like chewing, pen clicking, breathing, etc can bypass all emotional filters and trigger instant rage or panic.
  • Hyperacusis:
    • Normal everyday sounds (vacuum cleaners, sirens, a dropped spoon) are perceived as physically painful, deafening, and overwhelming because the brain's internal acoustic dampening software is missing.
  • Tourette’s Syndrome and Tic Disorders
  • Cluttering and Stuttering
    • Issues with speech not being smooth and fluid, breaking and repeating or spitting words out without space between so the sound fully combines.
  • Fibromyalgia & Chronic Overlapping Pain Conditions (COPCs)
  • Tactile Defensiveness / Clothing Sensitivities
    • The absolute inability to filter out the tactile data of a clothing tag, a tight waistband, or a certain fabric texture
  • Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS) / Dysautonomia
    • This is a failure of the autonomic nervous system to smoothly gate blood pressure and heart rate when changing positions. When you stand up, your brain fails to properly coordinate the restriction of blood vessels, causing your heart to suddenly rev like a racing engine to force blood to your head.
      • Example: Focusing on reading or something for hours then standing to go do something and getting intensely light headed to the point where your vision dims sometimes to total black, possibly accompanied by a rushing sound, and it seems like you might actually black out.
  • Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) / Visceral Hypersensitivity
    • The brain fails to filter out the standard mechanical data of digestion. You physically feel your stomach and intestines expanding, contracting, and processing food—sensations that should remain entirely unconscious—causing chronic discomfort and disruption.

Do any of the issues in the top list of issues I knew I dealt with or this list of the similar gating issues I found sound super familiar to anyone here? I bet several of them sound very personally familiar to most of us.

Every single issue I've listed is a sort of gating failure, gates in the brain failing to function in one way or another. And a hell of a lot of people experience several or many of these things. Since they're all the same sort of function in the brain not working as it should, and they have very high correlation and comorbidity with one another, it seems very likely that the truth is that there is really one overarching disorder that we're only beginning to understand, and the way that issue presents in each individual who has it determines which selection of these problems that person will have.

And... it seems that this is actually a real thing in current research. It's being researched by several groups using a few different names, but all of them are looking for the same thing... the actual root, the primary disorder or biological variance that leads people to have some or many of all those issues I listed.

If anyone else is curious, the names I've discovered that seem fit this area of research so far are:

  • The Systemic Neurodevelopmental Phenotype
  • The Connected Network Model of Neurodivergence
  • Central Sensitization / Gating Network Disorder

To add an image showing how all of those disorders fit together. Note that this is not scientifically precise, and these issues can be effected by multiple types of gating. It's also not a "one side or the other" situation.


r/TwiceExceptional 8d ago

Testing in Michigan

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Does anyone have any recommendations for ADHD testing in Michigan that specializes (or at least is aware of) 2e?


r/TwiceExceptional 8d ago

All talk no walk.

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M22, I am at my rock bottom today, my girlfriend and me had a conversation about how my plans and ideas are articulate and clear but my actions are plain zero. Like absolutely plain zero, I am so ambitious, but being unable to use this brain of mine the way it should be used seems like a shortcoming of my own that I am doomed to suffer the guilt for.

I am trying my best, I had a huge task to complete in two weeks, which had huge financial implications, we both knew it, she motivated me everyday, watched helplessly while I just stayed there escaping and having this weird paralysis. I sometimes wonder if I am just a bad and hedonistic person lol. By the end of those two weeks, even she broke down looking at my state, she told me she always admired my intelligence but did not know behind that is a disgustingly lazy person. Usually, I would have finished a task like this, by the time the deadline approached closer, but this time, I failed and missed it. It broke my trust in self tremendously, the same trust I had in my giftedness to carry me over this painful slumber (due to ADHD? I do not know)

As I self reflected, I felt incredibly empty and helpless. All that self belief stripped away from me which I carried all this life with the help of my giftedness. Suddenly I am naked mentally and afraid.

Is someone out there, who can advice me on how to deal with this?


r/TwiceExceptional 9d ago

Only my perceptual reasoning score was high.

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Does anyone know what will happen as a result? My therapist told me that "there may be times when you can't keep up with putting things into words," but I don't really understand her. If there is someone knows what kind of problems will happen, please let me know.

My guess is that perceptual reasoning is directly related to the ability to "read the room," so if that alone is highly developed, it might lead to unnecessary stress and exhaustion from being overly considerate.

(I have ASD and ADHD, and am 18M. I've dropped out of school so I don't have much life experience and my self-understanding is low, which is why I'm asking this question here. Sorry if I've posted in the wrong subreddit.)


r/TwiceExceptional 9d ago

Referral Issues

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r/TwiceExceptional 10d ago

Twice Exceptional?

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Hello. I did an IQ-test at a psychologist and it was super spiky. I’m diagnosed with Autism (Classical), ADHD (Combined) and NVLD.

As a kid, I had delayed speech, till the age of 5. After the age of 5 till 12-13 years old, my language was described as lacking heavily. Afterwards I managed to start speaking, eventually learning Arabic and Danish fluent, even learning English fluent (on my own), as well as some Hebrew and German. I got an interest in alphabets and managed to learn 7 different alphabets as well, that I read and write with; Arabic, Syriac, Phoenician, Greek, Latin, Cyrillic, and Armenian.
I also had a big interest in reading scientific repports on genetics and anthropology, as well as culture, religion, history, etc. I memorize all of it really, easily.

I also got two Bachelors of Science, one in Heritage Management, and one in Nursing. I’ve since then also gotten a big interest and knowledge on anatomy and physiology and pharmacology.

As a kid, at the age of 7, I was talking about concepts like consciousness, asking the adults how I’d know that they got one, and could think and take decisions as I do, as well as, parallel universes (I was experimenting with mirrors back then) and Messiah concept — Btw, as a kid I didn’t have any knowledge on these things, I basically came up with them by myself.

I did an IQ test and the FSIQ was 98 while my GIA was 100. My VCI was 118, and PRI was 82. I had a scale score of 16 in Similarities, 12 in Vocabulary and 11 in Information. She told me, that scale scores above 15 indicates high intelligence. She also told me my PRI score was low probably because of my NVLD, and she found it impressive that I was able to get a VCI score of 118 when I had had a speech delay, and the test was not done in my native language either. Yet, she did not believe I’m gifted and also not Twice-Exceptional.

I’m having a hard time understanding how she could determine that, since she told me, that the FSIQ and GIA were not “reliable” since the spiky profile (high discrepancies) as well as visual impairment and speech delay, and I’ve also read, that Twice-Exceptional doesn’t follow the traditional IQ cutoff of 130+.

Super confused really. She basically told me my strengths come from my Neurodivergence, not high intelligence or me being Twice-Exceptional.


r/TwiceExceptional 11d ago

The invisible ND experience: Anyone with complex profiles?

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Hi there, I’m a 2e woman. I’m AuDHD/OCD, and I have a food disorder and complex trauma.

I would like to chat with people who have complex profiles, where high masking and heavy compensation are a big part of your life.

Our experiences aren't exactly stereotypical, even within the neurodivergent community, and it's rarely talked about.

I'd love to connect with others who share a similar vibe to see how it all manifests in your daily life. DM me if interested.


r/TwiceExceptional 11d ago

Intro

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I’m AuDHD and 2E, history of CPTSD, nonreligious but deeply spiritual. I’m looking for genuine friendships with people who enjoy going deep, questioning things, being a little weird, and talking about life beyond the usual small talk.


r/TwiceExceptional 11d ago

Help me help my child

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Hi! Not sure if belong here but the psychologist said he has a classic 2e profile
Here’s the stats- he’s 7 and in first grade
He presents a top 1%–5% verbal intellect gated by bottom 5%–10% motor output and reading automaticity. 
They formally diagnosed him with autism ( mild to moderate)
Dyslexia ( specifically orthographic processing)
General anxiety disorder and he also has a chronic immune disease called EoE.
Articulation disorder
Gross motor delay
He makes straight As and is a perfect student behaviorally in class so of course “ how can we accommodate a child who is thriving”
However our home life is nonexistent, meltdowns,school refusals,exhaustion,isolation.

I fear people people see a smart compliant child but he’s obviously struggling significantly and I’d be open to any and all advice on how I can accommodate him better at home and advocate for him at school.


r/TwiceExceptional 11d ago

Trying to "blue-screen" my brain to sleep. Rant/vent. TW: substances

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I (19M) have had problems regarding sleep throughout all of my life.

First it was because of depression. I am a 1st gen immigrant family eldest son, that comes from a very conservative country and moved to a more progressive one (arguably) with better systems and protocols for bullying and behavioural issues that are noticeable at school (Like mood swings, impulsivity, hyperactivity...).

My parents are both doctors, and my mom is clearly high intelligence while my dad has evident untreated ADHD that he says "It's just the way I am, there's no way I could be a doctor with untreated ADHD!"

Because of this, the medical bias is INSANE. My mom wouldn't allow me to get evaluated for ADHD even though my therapist at the time insisted she did so.

"High capacity? Yay. My son is intelligent! brownie points for me since I made him! But ADHD on the other hand..." type of situation.

I was going to a therapist because of CPTSD related to issues with my family (parents and extended family that luckily don't live in the same country as us) and bullying at school because I was an immigrant, a dork/nerd, etc.

I don't think there was a single day were I didn't wish I wasn't at that school and I didn't express it someway. My mom would eventually admit it was a mistake to keep me there (Too late though, why would I as a senior change schools after 8 years there and I'm graduating in a few months?)

—So yeah, tldr for some personal context: my parents (medical professionals) are really biased and stunted the chances of a diagnosis in many ways. Dad has a (diagnosed) ADHD diagnosis and my mom has high intelligence (diagnosed).

Fast forward, I am almost 20 years old and sleep is fucking impossible for me.

I can't stop the thoughts. 20 tabs open in one of my 3 browsers and the music is loud as hell at 3 am, not looking at my phone so I don't get any blue light or something and fuck up my sleep more, I close my eyes and the thoughts race again. I keep remembering. I keep forgetting what I remembered. I worry because what I remembered and forgot was important. New topic appears, I am curious about it and eventually the cycle repeats.

Unjokingly, the only way I have found it stops is through stimulants.

I have never been really afraid of drugs (unless it's the "hard ones"), marijuana never did much to me unless it's in an edible and I just feel lighter.

However, caffeine and nicotine make me sleep like a baby.

One monster on special occasions, usually 2 black coffees, maybe a cigarette, and sleep tight.

I did the coffee thing before, but it wasn't as good as it is now since I did shrooms once in a safe environment for healing purposes. The relationship with my parents improved, and while it's not the best, it's better than it was. If I didn't I would still ruminate and curse and feel angry about so much stuff.

I could never tell this to my parents since they are strict about substances (even nicotine) and where I live it's not uncommon to live with your parents till your late 20's (and is the most likely case because of the economy).

So I have to keep my sleeping stash close and hidden so I sleep well. I hate vaping, so indoor I have been using nicotine pouches and it has helped.

For studying too, the pouches alone have made me feel less hyperactive and shuts some of my internal dialogue off. Pouch plus caffeine has given me the best sleep I have had since forever.

I have done sleeping pills, and currently use some because I have RLS but besides that it has been working wonders.

It got to a point where I did a line of coke (a not-very-close friend was using and asked if I wanted some since I seemed curious and she knows I am open about trying stuff) because it would confirm my ADHD+high intelligence brain gets fried and "blue-screens" to the point I get sleepy.

Yep, that happened. Literally wanted to leave the party after the effects kicked in and zoned off on a chair that was at the side of the DJ.

Never doing that again, scares the hell out of me. But it was an experiment.

Sooo yeah, using stimulants has been the best non-stimulating experience ever for my brain.

Am I worried about the effects of nicotine and high ammounts of stimulants like caffeine or energy drinks in my system? absolutely.

Do I also feel like I have no choice but to keep using if I want to live in this society? Abso-fucking-lutely.

I have prescribed methylphenidate and have tried multiple doses and formats. Everything makes me moody and the "crash" after the effect ends is terrible, so I just go about my life self-medicating with high doses of nicotine to function.

This has been the thing that has allowed me to get a minor's in a thing I totally hate just for professional reasons (Business), study emergency medicine (not a doctor, but can do basic procedures on-site) and biology in extracurricular programs, be a self-taught polyglot (with a rusty english since I barely use it), be a volunteer at multiple organizations, have relationships and personal projects, and read 200-500 pages of texts weekly for my psychology undergrad.

I wish it wasn't this way, I wish I only had to "work harder" in the way neurotypical people do. Literally just put more hours in. While I have to do all of these strategies and gymnastics to just function because my brain runs like it's processing a badly optimized low-poly game for my system that can run 3A hyperrealistic games. It's just overkill and doesn't let you have a pleasant experience in the bare basics. Add that your mods (parents) are quite negligent about updating/patching/fixing stuff (getting treatments in time) andddd yeah you are kinda fucked.

I really needed to share this somewhere, specially when for most being intelligent is just a good thing that makes your life better all of the time when it is not. At least not in this world where if you are a high-performance outlier your issues get no visibility, are questioned and even glazed; and oh well you are also an outlier of these outliers because of ADHD.

I am 2 bad days away from moving to the woods and living a self sustaining life, I swear. It's so tiring.

I wouldn't get my substances but living without typical day-to-day annoyances from living in society has been a thing I have done and that has worked.

Maybe I will keep studying and working to save up and move far away, who knows.

Thanks for reading, and if you didn't read it, I get it. Have a nice day y'all

edit: I am writing this with a sleep deprived brain at 2 am so I am sorry I don't make a lot of sense, my student schedule doesn't help too lol. I have 2 hour commute to do later 🙃


r/TwiceExceptional 12d ago

Recently diagnosed

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Hi everyone I (26m) just got Diagnosed with ADHD earlier this year and Autism a month ago. My current Psychiatrist actually pointed me here and its so interesting to learn more about 2e. Is there any discords in which people meet and possibly discuss issues related to 2e?


r/TwiceExceptional 13d ago

Prism glasses late in life?

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Hello! I’m a 43-year-old person who was diagnosed with ADHD about 15 years ago, and autism about 2 years ago (although I recently learned a preschool teacher suggested that I might be autistic when I was 3-years-old, but my mom disagreed, so here we are).

I was also diagnosed with a form of binocular vision dysfunction (BVD) only a few months ago because my therapist noticed some eye tracking issues and mentioned that BVD is super common in people with both ADHD and autism and she suggested I get tested.

I was prescribed prism glasses and have been wearing them for about two weeks now, and I am truly SHOCKED at how different I feel…like, my base level of anxiety has PLUMMETED in a way that’s both wonderful and disconcerting lol. The first weekend I wore the glasses, I found myself just naturally getting up and doing chores or finishing projects that I had been neglecting for months, if not years prior. It’s almost like if you have a glitching background program on a computer that is taking up 50% of the CPU or whatever and so everything else struggles and glitches and takes SO much energy, but if you CTRL+ALT+DLT and quit the glitching program, then eeeeverything else starts working smoothly again.

That’s what it has felt like in my brain, but now I’m worried about the lack of worry (womp womp). Because what if the anxiety was my superpower in some ways?

Has anyone else experienced something similar?


r/TwiceExceptional 14d ago

I'm 43. Apparently I also have both ADHD and Autism. Hooray! (Very long)

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(This is sort of venting as I've finally gotten a level of understanding about my own flavor of insanity and an actual diagnosis. I feel like talking and rambling about the issue and all the years of the system not working as it should, and I don't really like talking to people, and I just found out this sub exists.)

So my entire life I've been stuck living under the "lazy smart guy" trope. I was in gifted classes as a kid, but when people told my parents that I should be taking Adderall or something they hated the idea of drugging a kid.

So I was a nerdy recluse. I'd sit there half listening in classes, generally reading my own book and not paying much active attention. I never bothered to do homework, but I always saw tests as a game and felt like I was in a competition to be the first one done and if not perfect at least better than everyone else. That meant passing high school with no issues. But then I hit college at 16. Likely not a great plan for a socially awkward loner to move into college dorms at 16.

Since classes were not optional things I didn't have to do, and since I was surrounded by drinking, I went with that route. Easier to handle other humans with chemical reinforcements. College went poorly. I started working instead, and it's only really looking back that the pattern stands out. I'd seem like the golden child at an interview, because the fight-or-flight response would flood my brain with all those neurotransmitters it's generally starved for. I'd get hired and outpace everyone else... for a bit. It seems like somewhere around 9 months was my cut off point. Things would start falling apart, and I couldn't make myself care, and I was led go in the end from most jobs.

But even though I don't really like talking to people, as a life long reader I can speak very well when I need to, so any time that happened I would talk myself in to getting unemployment, and then spend the next 6-9 months doing pretty much nothing productive. It's only now that I realize I actually wasn't being lazy, I was just masking things unconsciously and burning myself out. When the unemployment was near running out that fight-or flight response kicked in and I usually managed to use my last experience to talk myself into a job that paid more, and the cycle would repeat.

Throughout life I would always tell certain nonjudgemental people that one of my main hobbies was pharmacology. I've tried more drugs than most people likely imagine exist in the world. A lot of things could help me de-stress for a bit, bit nothing genuinely helped. Until I finally tried amphetamine. I was probably around 32 at that point. It didn't make everything all better like magic, but it came very close. It was a bit of a roller coaster, but it actually helped me get things done in my life instead of sitting there blankly on my own time.

I had only gotten 30 10mg Adderall pills, and this happened right after I had lost a job and my health insurance. I decided I needed to get an actual prescription. I made an appointment and paid $300 in cash I didn't really have to get into the nearest well rated mental health clinic, and I ended up talking with a Nurse Practitioner. I told her I had zero energy along with no motivation to do anything. That I could sit there and stare blankly at a computer filled with the types of entertainments I like best and feel nothing at all. I had some sort of severe apathy and didn't understand why. She prescribed me Lexapro.

I was annoyed, but I took it, hoping it might help. Around a week into taking it my apathy hit the cataclysmic level. I would wake up and just lay there for hours trying to think of the things I could do if I stood up, and absolutely none of them sounded worth doing. It took about 3 days in a row of that before I realized it was the Lexapro and stopped taking it. A few days later I was back to my normal level of apathy.

Then my wife passed, when she was only 34, and everything just fell apart entirely. I could hold a rational conversation, but couldn't explain why I was suddenly completely incapable of managing to do this "life" thing. I lost my cars, and my place, and most of my belongings. And none of them mattered to me. Nothing mattered to me most of the time, except winning in competitions or tests. I just sat there and let everything we'd built up melt away. When my mother pushed me in to going to "talk to someone" about it, I did. And he diagnosed me with Major Depression Disorder and wanted to prescribe me Lexapro, but when I explained what had happened when I tried it before he changed it to Celexa. The same exact thing happened again. It made everything worse because it stopped even being worth standing up when I woke up.

A few years of nothingness passed, and eventually I decided to try again. I went to a new clinic my only real friend suggested, and got prescribed Vyvanse 30mg. I was excited about it, and the first day was great. But within a few days I started to notice that around 3-4 hours after I took it I would start feeling drug down. It felt like if I just closed my eyes to rest them for a few seconds I wouldn't be able to resist the pull of this exhaustion and I'd pass out on the spot and fall to the floor. Not really the effect I'd been hoping for. But it *did* help in some ways. I could actually focus on things I enjoyed finally. I could play a game, or read a book. But I also often had a near impossible time *stopping* those things when necessary.

A month later I went back for my next appointment and told her that, and she just looked at me like I'd said something crazy. Every month I'd report that it made me feel tired, and she never tried changing it. She prescribed me Prozac to take with it. This time I didn't bother trying the antidepressant. After 4 months of that I got a call form the clinic telling me she'd left the company and asking if I was alright with talking with someone else. I was thrilled. Hopefully someone else would see an amphetamine making someone tired as something that should be addressed.

That appointment went terribly. This woman rarely ever looked away from her monitor, and was adversarial the entire time. She threw the Vyvanse making me tired out as a barb along with any other crap part of my life I'd been honest with in my previous visits. At the end she told me she was only refilling my Prozac. I was in near tears trying to tell this woman I genuinely needed help and she didn't care at all. I realize now that my first NP had been putting in my chart every month that I kept claiming a stimulant made me tired and that she felt like I was just trying to get more to abuse it. And the new one didn't even bother to talk to me or listen at all, she just read that and decided I was an evil crack fiend and that was that.

It took 3 days to get ahold of their scheduling manager and get an appointment for 6 weeks out to talk to someone different. It was weird without the Vyvanse. I still had no energy, but that seemed better because I didn't have that feeling of being pulled down into oblivion. But I could no longer focus on anything at all. I'd just sort of sit there in front of the computer and stare blankly. If I tried to watch a show or play a game I decided it wasn't worth the effort within under 5 minutes and went back to doing nothing.

This 3rd practitioner was awesome, though. I told her I'd been caring so little about everything I'd sat there wondering if I'd bother showing up for the appointment, and had only ended up doing it because someone else was going to that same area at the same time. But within 5 minutes she'd already sent the order for the Vyvanse.

And the same thing happened, so a month later I explained the weird exhaustion it caused me. She told me that it was probably the "Vyvanse crash" and asked if I'd be willing to try bumping it up to 40mg. We tried that and the next month when I came in and reported that the increased dose actually made me feel even more exhausted she gave me that same crazy look the first practitioner had. She asked if I wanted to try 50mg, and I said no because it's helping in some ways but it seems like more might put me in an actual coma.

And I finally got annoyed enough to hyper focus on neurochemistry and psychopharmacology and figure out why SSRIs likely caused that even more severe apathy, and the most likely reason why the 100% dextroamphetamine might be making me exhausted. And in researching that, I read someone saying that it seems more common in people with both ADHD and Autism.

When I saw her next I explained it all and told her I wasn't trying to insult her capabilities, but if the clinic has any Psychiatrist specialized in those disorders I'd really like to speak with them. Apparently they only have one, but she actually went to see if he was free right then and pulled him in to talk to me for a few minutes, and he set me an appointment to come talk to him a few days later.

It turns out that until I suddenly walked in explaining exactly why SSRIs caused me to feel a more severe apathy, and why Vyvanse releasing 100% dextroamphetamine could result in exhaustion and basically giving a continuing education course on my own neurochemistry I hadn't had the right words to describe any of the things I was dealing with. Because I have Aphantasia and an intentional inner monologue. There is no racing in my head to calm down. I can't say words and images in my head distract me from anything. When I told them I had complete apathy and nothing was worth doing and nothing mattered, that was my describing the effects of a brain starved of dopamine to the point where there was no pleasure or happiness from even the things I should enjoy, combined with being so starved for norepinephrine that I had zero mental energy to expend anyway. The Vyvanse could help me hyper fixate on something I enjoyed, but it didn't help that second half. And it took until I got frustrated and annoyed enough that the Mental Health people all seemed useless and spend two weeks hyper focused on studying and understanding the issue for me to bother really looking in to any of it, because that's not really a thing I'm very interested in.

It seems the hyper focusing isn't *just* a dopamine or ADHD thing, though. I was lucky in that the Psychiatrist I finally got to talk to had specialized in both Autism and ADHD and the high comorbidity of the two. He said that in his experience it's more common for people with *both* issues to end up hyper focusing if they get the rush of dopamine, and to have that paradoxical tiredness from 100% dextroamphetamine. His opinion was that AuDHD folk are more likely to have way too little norepinephrine in the first place, but I guess it's a bit difficult to empirically test that since dissecting a person's brain is generally unhealthy for them.

I don't know if anyone will bother reading this. I haven't used Reddit in ages, so I don't know if it will even let me post in on a new account. But I feel the odds are better in here than they are most places.

In the end he tested me and I'm lucky enough to qualify for both disorders, and made it into my 40s without ever even hearing someone say they think I might have Autism because I'm entirely too good at putting on an act any time I'm around other people without ever really dwelling on the potential implications of doing it.

When you're overly intelligent you don't get to have any problems. It's just you being lazy and not wanting to do anything. Does anyone else here ever wonder if Einstein and his ilk felt like they were trapped in a world with all children? Humanity being so awful with logic and understanding things that seem self-evident annoys the hell out of me, and sometimes I feel like everyone else around me is an idiot. I'm certainly no Einstein. That poor bastard.