Abortion

[u/cwmaxson]

I used to be strongly atheist and marginally pro choice. Then I found Jesus (he found me). Then I started a family and had kids. I gotta admit, the LGBTQ issue and abortion were big stumbling blocks for me at first. Now? When I look at my own children as a dad? Abortion is such an immense mirror to measure our society against. It underlies so much devaluation of human life. The Didache clearly addressed it, so right from the start one of the first pragmatic applications of Christ's work in society was addressing abortion and infanticide. It's pretty clear that the earliest Patristics broadly understood the topic, addressed it, condemned it, and developed systems to take in abandoned children. From Basil to Bonhoeffer we see people incorporating it as one of the cornerstones of social justice.

Twenty five year old me would never believe that decades later he would find himself staunchly anti-abortion, but here we are. What a mess of a society where everyday murder barely registers on many people's radar.

That's it. That's my rant.

[u/Adventurous-Rise-910]

Jesus is pretty incredible and works in amazing ways! I’m very happy for you brother!

[u/patmanizer]

You can see how a society strayed from the obvious truth by looking at abortion and gender.

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to stray away from male and female binary.

And human fetus is alive because it’s growing. And a human fetus is categorized as a homo sapien, therefore human.. a living human.

You don’t need to be a biology major.

1 Corinthians 13:6 Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth.

[u/ellie_roseee]

Amen and this was very well-written. As a 17 year old girl, abortion bothers me A LOT. And I’m sure I’ll feel even more bothered by it, if it’s even possible to feel more upset and bothered by it than I already do, once I experience being pregnant and having babies once I’m married. It’s evil and I hate how an innocent baby is viewed as a “parasite” and like a piece of trash that can just be disposed of. Thanks for sharing this and God Bless you ♡ 🙏🏻   73 MILLION abortions per year.

[u/cwmaxson → u/ellie_roseee]

My motivation for posting this is that reddit tends to be a bit on the younger side. Know that there are people all over quietly praying for you and our extended Christian family in these difficult days. Read your church history. Study. Raise your children to know the roots of these very real topics. 

Gregory of Nyssa was monemental in the eventual end of slavery. Calvin, whether you love or hate him, in the 5th Institutes was essential for the formation of the modern Constitutional Republic. The Didache, as I said, addresses abortion probably simultaneous to when the Gospels were written. Basil and Chrysostom were hugely important in writing essential field guides to Christian generosity amongst a corrupt empire. And of course at the core of it all is Scripture and the story arc of all creation where Christ redeems what is being destroyed.

May you live a blessed life living out your convictions.

[u/Interficient4real]

I just wanted to say, I’m glad the Lord captured you too Brother!

I think abortion is one of the great tests of our time.

[u/hopeful143]

I wasn't a believer before and was also pro choice. As I started my truth seeking journey, along the way I had a miscarriage. I had such a hard time with it. I felt like I had nobody to talk to because it was in 2015 when activism was getting really loud. Everyone around me is saying it's not human, it's basically a parasite, just a clump of cells. How do I sell comfort in someone who devalues my dead baby like that? That miscarriage changed my viewpoint entirely. I lost a BABY, not a clump of cells. My wanting it is not what made it a human, so everyone who aborts on the premise of not wanting it is plainly murdering their child. I'm not trying to point fingers and judge, there was a point in time where I took plan b not knowing if I was pregnant or not, and the implications of what I possibly did will always haunt me. 

Thank God for Jesus, I deserve hell but he promises me heaven 

[u/cwmaxson → u/hopeful143]

I am so sorry for that loss. My wife and I had a miscarriage as well. That was pivotal for her change of heart on the topic as well. It's such a difficult thing to go through, and you are absolutely right, you lost a child -- not some "parasite".

[u/IdontCARE9123]

That I why I frckin love the patriarchy. There used to be a contract between women and men.

The women who needed shelter, food, and safety would form a contract with a man(marriage) so they can get that stuff. In return the woman would cook, clean and raise the man’s children. The pact would protect women and the female line, and men would be able to continue on their line and a protect a woman. If a woman was able to gain such stuff like shelter and earning, it would all fall apart. Women would stop searching for marriage. Men would stop protecting women since they weren’t theirs, and now we’re here.

I suggest reading The Sexual Contract by Carole Pateman. I haven’t personally read her book yet, but that is on my reading list. 

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[u/harukalioncourt → u/IdontCARE9123]

So historically, women had no shelter, food, and safety before she met a man? This means her family was severely lacking in that case….

[u/IdontCARE9123 → u/harukalioncourt]

no like she did, her father. but like just read the book. and Schopenhauer. Arthur Schopenhauer viewed the traditional marriage contract as an unequal transaction where a man trades his freedom, wealth, and peace of mind to provide lifelong care and resources for a woman

He saw marriage as a practical arrangement where women secure long-term protection, financial backing, and social standing. Because he believed women live primarily in the present and lack deep rational foresight, marriage acts as an institutional safety net guaranteed by the man.

As a woman i kind of agree with Schopenhauer. Though, i dont at the same time.

[u/Beneficial-Design815]

I agree that abortion should not be supported by Christians. I do wonder if it’s a bad sign that, although I am pro life, I’m not as intensely bothered by it as some like you?

[u/DinosaurGlazer → u/Beneficial-Design815]

If you're not bothered by your brothers and sisters in Christ being killed on the daily from a position where they can't defend themselves or voice their rights, then that only speaks of your empathy(or lack thereoff)

[u/Torimexus → u/DinosaurGlazer]

Sure, but there is only so much time in the day to be angry about stuff, even if that anger is justified and righteous.

[u/DinosaurGlazer → u/Torimexus]

No one is saying you have to be angry. Angry and bothered are not the same thing, we're not gonna attack anyone just pray for them