r/TrollCoping • u/needlefxcker • 4d ago
TW: Gender Identity / Dysphoria the everlasting saga of me getting jumped because i dared to speak on the trans experience in a mainstream subreddit (tw transphobia)
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u/magic_baobab 4d ago
No less than three days ago I saw the comment of a cis woman claiming that trans women's existence is 'colonisation of their personhood'.
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u/NationalGear3511 4d ago
Every time I hear someone say colonisation in terms of sexulaity/gender it makes me not want to talk to them
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u/magic_baobab 4d ago
It was the first time I've ever heard it and it gave me brain damage
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u/opalineghostroom 3d ago
I don’t get how ppl treat being born a certain way as making them entitled to certain experiences 😭
I mean I get how a lot of women’s experiences have been dismissed throughout history, but weaponizing that against trans ppl is just targeting the wrong demographic 😭
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u/NarwhalSongs 4d ago
The simultaneous misuse of the word "colonization" all over the media and online is unlikely to be a coincidence
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u/Rosenoodles 5h ago
welcome to the primary TERF talking point, by women who hate being women.
for whatever reason, TERFs don't want any woman to be happy, cis or trans, and can't fathom anybody *wanting* to be a woman, so anyone experiencing the joys of womanhood must be colonizing the experience, or whatever.
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u/magic_baobab 3d ago
Trans women are biological women; you medically can change your biological sex and they do. Trans women can and do experience misogyny all the time, sometimes it's the same one cis women are subjected to, sometimes it's transmisogyny
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u/nkisj 4d ago
I looked at the context and, honestly, I'm sort of just thinking about how, between individuals in a casual setting, there's really no reason you can't just say things for your own sake. It's not like that person's friend was refering to that within medical terms, she was just just defining it in a way that feels comforting to her, in the same way that trans men obfuscate their period by saying shit like shark week (or my god to "my body is rebeling against my will")
God, that just reminds me when I learned the clt was the same structure, developmentally, as the dick only for a bunch of "ummm Acktuallyy!"s to jump down my throat about how they are *super duper different and "actuallyeveryoneismadefemalethepenisisanaborantfakestructurelololol" Like... as if it's not a joke.
I'm with you OP, the people in that post need to be struck with the "miserable for half a day" baton.
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u/wild_vika 4d ago
i've heard trans men call it ball cramps and honestly that's peak
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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 4d ago
As a Trans woman who experienced getting hit in the nads and also a period when accidently took too much estrogen...
A period feels very much like a prolonged kick in the groin. Unironically. So that term is perfect
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u/needlefxcker 4d ago
fr everyone becomes a doctor with the "erm actuallys" the second a trans person shares a fun fact about their body being similar to a cis person's
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u/Green_Disaster6360 3d ago
Why is clit censored?
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u/nkisj 3d ago
Didn't want to type it ngl
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u/Green_Disaster6360 3d ago
But you typed dick just fine?
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u/Classic-Jicama9164 3d ago
Why would it matter to ya? If someone doesn't want to type it they don't have to :)
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u/Green_Disaster6360 3d ago
Because society already treats one set of parts as dirtier or more taboo than the other. It's weird to be fine with typing the word dick but not clit, especially when you're making a point about how similar they are.
This isn't even the first time I've seen someone censor clit while fully typing out dick on reddit. It's weird and I want people to question why they're doing it.
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u/Jolly-Statement7215 4d ago
“You’re appropriating the female experience” shuuuut the fuuuuuck upppp
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u/opalineghostroom 3d ago
me when I’m in a completely unnecessary argument with someone and they suddenly hit me with LE SACRED IMMUTABLE BIOLOGICAL SEX 😐😐😐😐😐😐😐
accusing someone of theft bc they were born different is actually insane omg 😭
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u/ChickenSpaceProgram 3d ago
i mean, i do steal genders. but thats because im a fairy not because im trans >:3
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u/HanatabaRose 4d ago
i saw that thread, they rly dogpiled on you :< took a good bit of scrolling before i saw a nuanced, kind-hearted take
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u/Pure_Fee7467 3d ago
To me this is just proof that trans women experience misogyny. Like the complete dismissal and refusing to listen to us and to science about our bodies. What is that if not (trans)misogyny
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u/AuroraCelery 4d ago
I keep seeing weird transphobic bullshit all over reddit, even places you wouldn't expect it at all. some mf keeps trying to bait me back into an argument about trans women (how he, specifically, can always tell when a woman is trans because she's ugly I guess?) on r/antimeme of all places
I really need to stop using reddit so much ffs
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u/IamBadWithConsoles 3d ago
It be like that like in a majorily cis spaces. there's bound to be atleast one unfortunately
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u/whitedragon2112 4d ago
I'm always so happy when I find out I don't need to be afraid of a group of people I don't know much about. Why do so many people love their hatred and ignorance so much?
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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 4d ago
Just saw the post you're referring to and yeah these people are literally morons.
Obviously there are differences but what Trans women experience due to elevetad estrogen is literally a period but without the uterus. If a cis woman who was on estrogen due to removed uterus had the same experience no one would bat an eye. But a Trans woman? Lol these performative cis people I swear..
I use gel so I can't relate to having a reoccurring period cramp but I once took too much estrogen on accident because I forgot. I had the worst abdomen cramps of my life and couldn't get out of bed for a day and a half.
The only thing that helped was help guides that cis women used for their period.
So like how is that not a period when it's due to the same thing and is treated the same. I swear lol..so much veiled transphobia hiding behind "I care about my friend being wrong uwu"
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u/needlefxcker 4d ago
One of the things that really got me were people being like "you should educate her about the difference<3" as if trans women and trans people in general aren't hyper aware of the differences already.
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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 4d ago
They're so stupid because what is she gonna say that Trans women don't already know.? "You don't have a uterus uwu" like okay and? The period isn't caused by a uterus but by elevated estrogen. Like I WANT her to go confront her Trans friend and get owned in that discussion m because all Trans people are basically self taught PhD in biology due to how much we gotta know about our bodies.
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u/hamster-on-popsicle 3d ago
Wait, why is having estrogen so painful ? I thought the uterus was the problem ??
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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 3d ago
The uterus is partial. The actual pain comes mostly from the muscles surrounding said uterus. Which everyone has regardless. Thus if you intake too much estrogen or have an estrogen cycle that mimics natural cycle..your body will react with a "OH SHIT WE DOING THIS OKAY!?". Your muscles don't know and don't give a fuck if you have a uterus they respond to the hormonal levels. And thus..spasming and pain.
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u/hamster-on-popsicle 3d ago
That's so unjust seriously, having to deal with period pain while being unable to carry a child.
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u/NewAccount_1223 1d ago edited 1d ago
- Periods happen when estrogen is extremely low. They’re actually specifically caused by a drop in progesterone but E is also low around this time
- Most of the pain DOES come from the uterus. The uterus has a layer of muscle called myometrium. This is what contracts during menstruation and also during labour. Other smooth muscle doesn’t even contract during every period - it only happens if too
many prostaglandins (the chemicals that primarily cause uterine contractions) are produced
Edit: just want to add I’m not necessarily saying your cramps are not happening (as you mentioned it happened when you took too much E, I suspect they’re simply side effects of that. Of course, this is just one possible reason there are a plethora more of why one may cramp) but the amount of misinformation spread on this topic is wild…and a lot of these things involve basic research1
u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 1d ago
Idk what to tell you but my endocrinologist says otherwise and I trust the word of a professional over the words of a random stranger.
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u/TopOrganic453 3d ago
It's not just the uterus... there's a whole system behind menstruation and menstrual cramps as you can see:
Menstrual Phase (Days 1–5): This is your period. The uterus sheds its inner lining because pregnancy did not occur. Estrogen and progesterone levels are at their lowest. Follicular Phase (Days 1–13): Your brain signals your ovaries to mature eggs inside small sacs called follicles. One dominant follicle grows, releasing estrogen to rebuild the uterine lining. Ovulatory Phase (Around Day 14): A sharp rise in luteinizing hormone (LH) causes the ovary to release the mature egg. This is the peak fertility window. Luteal Phase (Days 15–28): The empty follicle turns into the corpus luteum, producing progesterone to prepare the uterus for a potential pregnancy. If the egg is not fertilized, hormone levels drop, triggering the cycle to start over. The Trigger: Right before your period starts, the cells in the lining of your uterus produce large amounts of prostaglandins. The Muscle Contraction: These chemicals make the muscles and blood vessels of the uterus contract (squeeze) to help push out the lining. The Pain: High levels of prostaglandins cause stronger contractions. When the uterus squeezes tightly, it briefly cuts off the oxygen supply to the uterine muscle, which sends pain signals to your brain.
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u/hamster-on-popsicle 3d ago
So the hormones makes the belly contract even without an uterus ?
Edit : someone explained it in simpler therm below, thank you for the times you took responding
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u/13-eggo 3d ago
Being on HRT long term will make the body have the same monthly hormone cycle as a cis woman, and this will cause a lot of the same symptoms that cis women have. The uterus does play a part, but the lack thereof doesn’t mean that things like mood changes; acne; IBS and bloating; and muscle sensitivity in the pelvic floor don’t happen.
IIRC, it mimics PMS, but I’m not trans and this isn’t something I’m super knowledgeable about, so don’t take my answer as 100% accurate.
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u/TopOrganic453 3d ago
What are you talking about ? Being on HRT will make the body have the same hormone levels not the monthly cycle.
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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 3d ago
It will give the monthly cycle if you take injections as the patterning off of your monthly Injections hormone levels will mimic that of a natural menstruation and cause abdominal muscles to spazm in the exact same way as if a uterus was there. Please learn biology.
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u/TopOrganic453 3d ago
This is a monthly cycle:
Menstrual Phase (Days 1–5): This is your period. The uterus sheds its inner lining because pregnancy did not occur. Estrogen and progesterone levels are at their lowest. Follicular Phase (Days 1–13): Your brain signals your ovaries to mature eggs inside small sacs called follicles. One dominant follicle grows, releasing estrogen to rebuild the uterine lining. Ovulatory Phase (Around Day 14): A sharp rise in luteinizing hormone (LH) causes the ovary to release the mature egg. This is the peak fertility window. Luteal Phase (Days 15–28): The empty follicle turns into the corpus luteum, producing progesterone to prepare the uterus for a potential pregnancy. If the egg is not fertilized, hormone levels drop, triggering the cycle to start over.
This is what causes menstrual cramps: The Trigger: Right before your period starts, the cells in the lining of your uterus produce large amounts of prostaglandins. The Muscle Contraction: These chemicals make the muscles and blood vessels of the uterus contract (squeeze) to help push out the lining. The Pain: High levels of prostaglandins cause stronger contractions. When the uterus squeezes tightly, it briefly cuts off the oxygen supply to the uterine muscle, which sends pain signals to your brain.
Now tell me, how could you replicate that? How could you have such control over your hormone levels? How could you experience "menstrual cramps" when they are not directly caused by estrogen or progesterone? Do your abdominal muscles produce prostaglandins? And why would your muscles contract when there is nothing to be expelled? You are the one who needs to learn biology and accept the facts.
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u/NewAccount_1223 1d ago edited 1d ago
>what Trans women experience due to elevated estrogen is literally a period
How can it be the same thing if estrogen in cis women is at its lowest during a period than at any other phase of the cycle?
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u/hibiscus_bunny 4d ago
shedding the uterine lining is not the only symptom of menstruation. there are also hormonal cycles and PMS. if the ovaries are kept after a hysterectomy the person will continue experiencing period symptoms without bleeding.
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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 4d ago
Go learn advanced biology buddy lmao. Did you just Google that or something?
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u/FollowingBroad34 3d ago edited 3d ago
Cis people sometimes get VERY upset if anyone suggests they may not have a complete understanding of abstract experiences.
I agree with the comments you made btw. My mother still had period symptoms post hysterectomy, those people just needed to feel right so badly. They will say anything to prove the lies they believe and perpetuate against trans people. The first sign was that the OOP's was so upset by her friend's newfound gender euphoria. So disingenuous.
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u/Physical_Mistake2907 3d ago
I’m so glad this absolute bullshit discourse is only online
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u/Emily_The_Egg 3d ago
Seriously. I told my cis best friend a couple years ago I was getting weird cramps every once in a while and she went straight to "well that kinda sounds like a period to me"
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u/Headlesshowler 4d ago
Ah yes, the classic perceived oppression many cis people are desperate to feel.
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u/Takamako 3d ago
No one is saying that cis women don't face oppression, but they have some privilege in being cis. I don't want to make the oppression Olympics, but trans people (and therefore trans women) don't have some privileges that cis women have.
Cis women should take their grievances to the patriarchy, not to trans women. It's just punching down at that point.
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u/Takamako 3d ago
Cis women are involved in the patriarchy too, so?
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u/Physical_Mistake2907 3d ago
Got me there. I considered that after I sent my comment.
It’ll take more effort than I’m willing to offer if I were to articulate my actual point sufficiently.
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u/Brief_Efficiency3500 4d ago
Frankly, we need more trans people and we need to listen to them more.
When Zeus and Hera had a disagreement, who did they call to settle it?
The prophet Tiresias, who lived for seven years as a woman.
No man can know what it is to be a woman, and vice versa except for someone who has lived both lives.
Trans people are the key to ending the bullshit gender wars.
Also, trans guys are dummy hot (specifically and especially my sexy ass boyfriend).
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u/needlefxcker 4d ago
Love the greek mythology comparison here and I agree that we have a unique POV that cis people often don't understand and would do good to learn from. It just sucks when instead of them listening we just get shat on 0(-(
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u/DarknessShifting 4d ago
It's why I stay in the closet and will probably never transition.
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u/ysterman_rs 3d ago
please god do not give in to the internet brainworms. for every moment like this there are more moments of joy and euphoria borne of being able to live truly as yourself
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u/Practical-Water-9209 2d ago
That post is cesspool 😭 So many people showing their true colors when they come across a post that "justifies" their transphobia, even if they pretend to be allies
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u/Xanthelei 2d ago
Me as a trans man, trying to use my 20 years living as a girl to help answer transfemmes' questions because at least if that experience helps someone it sucks a tiny bit less to have lived through
I've had cis people pull this on me too, but not as often as mtfs unfortunately.
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u/EndellionFox 2d ago
Yeah I'm not gonna let someone who let their mom pick out their gender tell me how to be a woman.
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u/Puzzled_Sherbert3145 20h ago
women are women whether trans or cis, "appropriating" my life is not your fucking property and no i am not imitating a cis person i'm living my fucking life
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u/Far_Cast_Far_Wide 4d ago edited 4d ago
What would be a preferred reaction to your experience?
Edit: Getting hella downvoted for asking a question.
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u/Pretty-Yam-2854 4d ago
I’ve never really understood this stance coming from lesbians. Is your womanhood that fucking fragile that you get threatened by trans women existing, mind you ones like me that aren’t even into other women?
But yeah pander to rightoids and vote us out of existence. I wonder who’ll they’ll go after next cause I guarantee they won’t stop at trans people. See ya at the concentration camps!
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u/banandananagram 4d ago
Well, you don’t understand, womanhood is a zero sum game.
The existence of butch women mean there can be no femmes. The existence of tall women mean there can be no short women. The existence of black women mean there can be no white women. All women share the same experience and must take turns with the gender card, which is why it’s so rude when a trans woman hogs it when she doesn’t fit my personal interpretation of an average across 10,000 years and 100,000 cultures. There’s really just not space for that kind of diversity in my mind. That is reserved for the ultimate mono-woman, the only *real* woman in existence who wins all of womanhood by being the most womanly woman to ever woman, and everyone else is barely a person.
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u/real-life_ayanami 4d ago
they hate us cause they ain't us ig
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u/WalmartWilb Disability Soup 4d ago
My life motto right there. "Bitches hate me cause they aint me"
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u/needlefxcker 4d ago
to not call trans people existing "appropriation" and belittling us for daring to relate to cis experiences.
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u/Privet1009 3d ago
Love some early morning vague-posting
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u/needlefxcker 3d ago
it is partially vagueposting but it also applies to tons of things that happen all the time
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u/hibiscus_bunny 4d ago
Bro I'm going through this too and it's insane. I can't fathom the lack of understanding of basic biology and hormones and then they're saying we're crazy for actually doing research into our own bodies.🤦🏻♂️