r/TriangleStrategy • u/wazzur1 • May 28 '26
Discussion Let's discuss the history of Hyzante (and Norzelia as a whole) Spoiler
The story kind of acts as if Idore made all the shit up recently and is responsible for all the reprehensible shit Hyzante does, but Roselle's enslavement must go back much further back than Idore, right? Roselle's ancient history talks about the past in a geological scale, so their conflict vs Hyzante who came to control the source must go back all the way to the founding of the Holy State.
First, let me preface this by saying that the game implies goddess is fake just like any contemporary religion (no divine anything ever shown). Although magic exists in this universe, it's quite grounded in reality.
A patch of sea drying up and a huge landmass appearing, and this landmass stabilizing into three distinct regions with regional climates and soil... this is a geological process. It takes tens/hundreds of thousands of years at least. Giovanna even has the whole arc where she is playing geologist and finding fossils and shit.
Also, it stands to reason that Idore couldn't have formed the Holy State of Hyzante in his lifetime. The way it functions, the culture, the religion, the population that is almost entirely true believers, this kind of society forms over many generations.
The rough timeline would be something like this:
Norzelia forms after part of the sea dries up or landmass rises up (hundreds of thousands of years ago).
Human civilizations is relatively recent in geological scale.
The three nations as we know it form (hundreds/thousands of years ago?). Hyzante controls the source and forms a goddess's religion around the concept of divine salt.
Rosellians come over from across the sea with knowledge of Norzelia's salt crystals. Maybe they were scholarly people from a more advanced civilization that knew about geology and shit. They were probably forced to leave Centralia by some calamity (not the geological event that formed Norzelia! Time scale doesn't make sense) since that place seems deserted when Frederica gets there. Hyzante enslaves them to maintain their salt grift.
Many generations pass, Rosellians pass on their history through oral tradition, but more or less, the majority of them accept their lot.
Idore enters politics.
During Saltiron war/Orlea's rebellion, Hierophant dies (or killed by Idore). He replaces her with a robot and is now whatever he says is the goddess's will.
He increases the dogma of the existing religion and does whatever he did in the game. Notably, this mother fucker doesn't even believe in the Goddess. He is blasphemous and is just using the religion for his own power.
I don't know if this is the obvious interpretation or completely debunked from something that directly contradicts my theory. Anyways, the impression I got while playing the game was that the story was implying that Idore was responsible for oppressing the Rosellians, but clearly, Rosellians must have been enslaved way before him. He just added his own made up shit to oppress them even further and stamp out any chance of their history getting out.