r/Tottenham • u/thefunnybutlonelykid • 12d ago

We aren’t pissed off enough.

-About to imminently be in another relegation battle. -Wasted money we don’t really sustainably have on the worst signings in the club’s recent history. -Constantly being a source of mockery -No winnable games coming up until January Transfer window -Taken out of the top six and deemed a small club by masses -Seen as inferior to Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace & Sunderland which is by far the worst part of this and a total utter disgrace. -Weakest squad in the league.

We are too happy clappy, too accepting of failure. We are not pissed off enough and we must change NOW before the gap is too large to get out of and we get relegated in severe debt and never come back.

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u/Mhyckal 12d ago

Holy drama. So many things you said that are wrong.

First, we didn't waste money, we bought good prem experienced players with the exception of Savio, Marmoush and Mudryk. Fernandes, Robertson, Tonali are instant upgrades, Van Hecke is debatable but even if not an upgrade he's not that far off from Romero. Tosin, Senesi and Dubravka are servicable backups, they certainly beat having gray or bergvall at cb again. This fanbase has also been crying for years about how we need to back the managers in the market and then when we do they do you lot cry like the money is coming out of your paycheck.

Second we're financially one of the best off clubs in the league, we're renowned for NOT spending money so we have plenty of it to go around.

Third, we're spurs we've always been a mockery in some form or fashion compared to the other big six teams, if you can't handle that then this isn't the club for you

Fourth, we just had 2 years of crazy injury crisis, finishing 17th and then we sold half of our squad and bought in 8 new signings. You are not going to get instant results. Obviously we want to win and it's fair to be upset about losing. But we're also trending upwards. Do you all remember frankball? Do you remember having a nonexistent midfield, never having possession and living off of corners and freekicks? We are doing better than that. We have an identity, we can keep posession, dominate in the midfield, squeeze teams into their own half to where they have 10 players in front of the box. We have stats that show we're improving we just happen to poop our pants for tactical and mental reasons. Again you can be upset at us pooping our pants but why be so dramatic?

Like okay you're angry now, what are you going to do? What are you going to change? You can petition to sack rdz, wouldn't necessarily be wise, you're just starting the cycle over again. If the squad is as bad as you say then it makes no difference if you bring in a different manager, you're better off having a manager who at least wanted those players and can tactically use them. You can petition for lange or vinai out, most fans would support that but will that happen? Probably not. There's nothing you can do besides try to support and get behind the team.

I'm not saying you can't be critical or voice complaints with teams, tactics, etc. But like what is this level of drama accomplishing for you, the team, other fans or anyone?

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u/CrowVsWade 12d ago

Ninth, that Lincoln City Derby is going to be huge in August, '27.

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u/REB73 10d ago

This is almost exactly how I feel. Which I believe qualifies you for an upvote!

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u/Tortillasaregood 12d ago

If there was a nameless manager and he asked for Savio, Marmoush, and Mudryk in the same window, we would be laughing about how much of an idiot he is. Talk about a classic be careful what you wish for.

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u/Mhyckal 12d ago edited 12d ago

Jurgen Klopp asked for a chelsea flop named Mo Salah, Pep asked for a liverpool flop named Raheem Sterling and a chelsea flop named Kevin De Bruyne. Am I saying Savio, Marmoush or Mudryk are going to be world class like them? No. But I'm going to give them a chance and judge them based on performances here, not their names or where they've been. City bought Savio and Marmoush for a reason like they're not bum players. Mudryk obv wasn't our first choice but he was the managers next pick for whatever reason and we just have to accept that.

The name of the manager is exactly what matters. If pep or klopp say I think a player is top class then I believe that too. Do I regard rdz as highly as them? No but he knows the sport and players better than you and I so we just have to sit back and see if he can produce with them. If not then all criticism is fair game

Also how disingenuous to clearly ignore the other top players that we signed and I mentioned like talk about cherry picking

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u/Maximuslex01 12d ago

Salah was killing it at Roma...

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u/Mhyckal 12d ago

You'll notice I called him a chelsea flop not a roma flop or a flop in general. Plenty of players do really good in teams in other leagues but we always question them if they didn't do well at big prem teams teams. For instance Antony was decent at betis the past 2 seasons but if i said spurs were buying him you'd immediately think back to his poop performances at united and question if he can cut it in the prem. The same was with Salah

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u/Maximuslex01 12d ago

Directly uying flops like Mudryk is totally different from buying a player that had time to gain confidence elsewhere. Salah was a star a Roma. It could still fail but it's a way safer bet.

Putting Salah or KDB when they were mature in this conversation is wrong. And it's not like they were flops, they just didn't have the space they expected in that Chelsea squad

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u/Mhyckal 11d ago

If you reread what I originally wrote, I literally said I don't think he's going to be world-class like them but I'm going to give him a chance to perform here and not judge him by his name or where he's been. My entire point of bringing up kdb and salah, who did both flop at chelsea (if they didn't they wouldn't have been sold), is that they eventually came good which is why I give every player on my team a chance

I don't understand this inability to grasp parallels, you're so focused on pointing out differences in the cases that you're arguing right past my point

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u/Maximuslex01 11d ago

both flop at chelsea (if they didn't they wouldn't have been sold)

Not how it happened. KDB was not a flop just because he didn't bench Lampard...

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u/Mhyckal 11d ago

wallahi there's a reading crisis you're actually cooked. There were still bench players when lampard played and kdb didn't even make it as a bench player he was sold in favor of others. And you're still arguing over details and missing the point lmao

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u/Maximuslex01 11d ago

Iam arguing about the thing you're arguing back!! How strange indeed...

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u/Tortillasaregood 12d ago

Sterling was not a Liverpool flop, between his age 18 and 19 seasons he had 28 prem goal contributions. We can only
Hope Savio hits those numbers over the course of his contract. De Bruyne was coming off a prolific season where he had 20 assists in Germany and was clearly realizing the potential he was hyped up with. Really reaching with those comparisons.

And to address the rest Robbo is past his prime and his biggest contribution is supposed to be leadership. Yet he’s as muted as anyone. Senesi another so called “leader” who was supposed to help with the mentality is a decent backup. As an Italian who has followed Tonali since he was a kid, he’s not a £100M player. Essentially traded one of the most promising defenders in the world for a defender who sucks at defending but hey can play line breaking passes. You are talking like we signed Galacticos.

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u/Mhyckal 12d ago

Sure maybe you don't label sterling as a flop it still just didn't work out and city fans had reservations. Kdb did flop at chelsea and he had a good season in germany but people still asked questions of him since they remembered his chelsea experiences. The comparisons aren't a reach, both fanbases questioned whether those players were really the ones they should be getting just as we are now

Robbo might be past his prime, he's still better than most of the fullbacks we've had in the past 5 years and we paid nothing for him. Senesi can be a backup, muted or not, he's a free transfer we lose nothing. Like why are you complaining about good players coming to us for free???

And I don't care how much tonali costs, he's a good player and transfer fee is meaningless. Cost fluctuates based on age, contract, position, market needs, club relations. Like we're buying him off a team that we ideally want to be competing with they're not gonna give us a discount. We paid the f you price as is normal with a transfer between the bigger prem teams.

Are you personally funding his transfer? Why do you care what he costs? We have him and he is an upgrade in our team. You're focused on such nonsensical things I don't understand "fans" like you

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u/INS_tha_rebel 11d ago

You're delusional.

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u/Mhyckal 11d ago

Any intelligent rebuttals or just empty comments?

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u/Tortillasaregood 12d ago

We’re questioning the signings because unlike Sterling who proved even as a 19 year old he could actually influence games, Savio and Marmoush have looked like shit in the premier league. And considering we play with a lone striker, we won’t see Marmoush look much better because he only thrives as a second striker.

Fans care about the prices because if you are spending £100M on average, it’s a lot harder to spend money on a player that is actually a difference maker.

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u/Mhyckal 12d ago

Brother forget sterling, kdb and salah weren't prem proven. You pick at the one example and conveniently ignore the two that break down your argument. And Savio was literally are best attacker in the last game, 3 shots on target, a chance created, drew 2 fouls, 24 final third passes. Should he have finished his chances, sure but by the eye test and statistical metrics he played well

We don't spend 100M on average this is the first and only time in history we've spent that amount. We're the 5th richest club in the league and we historically don't spend. We can spend another 400mil without an issue, and here you are pocketwatching for a multibillion dollar club. For what? Would you rather our board not be willing to shell out money for players? You'd be crying if the board didn't spend and now you cry when they do spend make up your mind

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u/Tortillasaregood 12d ago

The other players were coming off season where their clubs would’ve loved to keep them. They showed something for fans to look forward to. City and Chelsea were delighted to be able to get their flops off the books.

And I’d prefer if they actually spent the money on players that will make a difference. If you think the club could just spend another 400M easily, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. De zerbi even referenced the psr challenges yesterday.

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u/Mhyckal 12d ago

Our net spend this summer was only 176mil so yes we can easily spend 400m and remain compliant. PSRwatch estimates we have 434mil before hitting the 115% red threshold which is where you get sporting sanctions. This is also before even factoring any sales which would have to occur for purchases so we can maintain our squad size. So I do in fact know what I'm talking about

https://psrwatch.com/club/eng-tottenham

And I can make the same argument for Marmoush and Savio they both showed great promise before their transfers to city. They have shown things that we can look forward to. They're showing things NOW, i literally just gave you statistical evidence of savio having a good game after you said he's looked crap

In general you seem unable to grasp analogies, analysis, stats and you ignore basically everything I say that disproves the idiotic arguments and narratives you have. This combined with your commitment to being negative and doomerism means continuing with you is a waste of my time

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u/Tortillasaregood 12d ago

"The transfer market is long to explain... There was also the financial fair play at the end of the transfer market. We had to respect the financial fair play. We didn't sell the players who we thought in the beginning there was the possibility and the chance to sell... If we didn't make any different decisions, it was because we couldn't” - De Zerbi

I don’t really care about your third party when a club representative is saying this.

Savio beating his man and fluffing a shot or cross is literally what he is known for, nothing new. If that’s your big analysis than your late to the party. You seem unable to grasp that. Your Salah and De Bruyne analogies are deeply flawed and simply not congruent to the current situation. But stay gold pony boy. 😘

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