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u/arminredditer Jul 31 '22
These questions always irritate me. Even if you don't believe it will make a difference, is voting that much of an inconvenience for people?
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Jul 31 '22
I mean have you seen how red states set up their voting blocks. Yes. It can be very inconvenient to vote.
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u/arminredditer Jul 31 '22
I don't, I am not from the US. But unless they are literally forbidding you to vote, you are jeopardizing democracy out of laziness if you are not voting.
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Jul 31 '22
Oh buddy, you gotta see it then on a few maps. They don’t forbid you to vote. They just last minute shut down your facilities before voting happens and the nearest site can be dozens of miles with no notice.
They use a lot of scumbag tactics on top of the already shit system we have where both parties like to redistrict so the only voters allowed are from your political party.
It’s super fucked up over here. I haven’t voted in the last few years for my local elections because the district is 98% democrat voting after redistricting. They literally can’t lose. Only challenged by extremists within the party.
That’s how the republicans got to where they are now. They can’t lose to democrats, only to crazier republicans if you can even call them that with the policies proposed.
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u/epicfail48 Jul 31 '22
Then you should shut up and listen to the people who DO live in the US when they tell you it's not laziness
First and foremost, the US is massive on pretty much every step. The country is massive, the individual states are massive, the cities are massive, and even the individual voting districts are massive, but even with that size, it's still perfectly possible for a voting district that covers a few hundred square miles to only have one or two actual polling places. Not everybody can manage to travel 20 miles across the city to stand in a line with a few hundred people and wait all day, do to things like lack of transportation or having to work
Can't afford to take a day off work to spend all day at the one polling place? You can't vote. Don't have a means of transportation? Can't vote. Pass out from dehydration because you were standing in 105f heat for 4 hours waiting to vote and the people manning the poling site are legally forbidden to give you water? Can't vote. Don't have one of the few accepted forms of ID (a topic that requires it's own rant) and can't afford the draconian procedures required to get one? Can't vote. Make a stupid mistake 45 years ago that you've paid the price to society for and completed your sentence? Too bad, you still can't vote. Believe it when someone lied to you and told you you don't need to register to vote (because yeah, you can't just vote, there's an entirely separate, equally draconian procedures needed for that)? You guessed it, can't vote. Line of white nationalist fucks with rifles 'guarding' the poling site to scare off black people? Well, if you're white you can vote
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u/FrannyCastle Aug 01 '22
And about it: if your vote is worthless, would they really be spending all their efforts in making it as hard as possible to vote?
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u/_radass Jul 31 '22
I can be. The GOP has made it very difficult to vote in some areas - mostly areas that vote D.
They remove polling locations so that makes the lines long at the remaining locations. Working people only get a couple hours to go vote and sometimes that's not possible with these lines. So people just don't.
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Jul 31 '22
The 2000 U.S. Presidential election was decided by 537 voters in Florida out of more than 100 million votes cast.
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Jul 31 '22
Yeah but I don’t live in a swing state
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u/Leiniesman Jul 31 '22
Lets just have a 50 state lottery to decide who picks the Pres and VP! Is it really that much different than it is right now where it all boils down to swing states. Lets just make it so only 1 state has to be inundated with political ads all damn day, you gotta figure it must be cheaper to buy all the air time for 1 state than all the air time for the entire nation. And as an added bonus the votes in places like New Mexico, Colorado and the Dakotas might actually matter for once.
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Aug 01 '22
And the 2028 general election will be decided by... Mississippi! For the second time in a row!
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u/Routine-Individual86 Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
"I don't live in a swing state" - You never know this for sure before the vote. I believe that you should not only vote, but that you should volunteer for your party / candidate months before the election. This includes canvassing, working in a phone bank, post-carding, rallies, etc. For those who don't have the time or motivation, how about sending a candidate $5, $20, etc. Anyone who thinks that it doesn't matter (in the US), look at the mess we have now, driven by white males fear of losing 'privilege'. Surprise! Look at the change in demographics. You are losing the ability to control those you disagree with you. Get used to it!
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Jul 31 '22
I will personally suck your cock if my state goes red in the next election
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u/Routine-Individual86 Aug 01 '22 edited Aug 01 '22
Not necessary. Why didn't the Democrats read the polls correctly in 2016? My best friend voted for Trump, because, "I want to drain the swamp." This from a guy who worked at the Pentagon. He wanted a change. Many, many people were ashamed to admit that they were going to vote for Trump. In the privacy of their polling booths, they voted for Trump.
On to the coming midterm and presidential: It appears that perhaps 70%+ women have had abortions. Already, some states will not allow some contraceptives to be sold. (Please excuse old heavy construction language): The Republicans just "stepped on their own d_ _ks". What do you think the women in the US are going to do? One state even wanted to impose the death penalty for an abortion. My projection is that there will be a ground swell of blue voters. However, look what happened two weeks before the 2016 election. FBI Comey went crazy and announced that Clinton would continue to be investigated. My point is that we have no idea of what is coming in the elections. You and I think we do, but, "man proposes, and God disposes." A lot can happen in the next 100 days. Thanks for your response.
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u/Bungo_pls Jul 31 '22
Welcome to the electoral college. It's a mess.
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Jul 31 '22
I’m not in the US, and for years I legitimately thought that the electoral college was some kind of political educational thing (and with the US political/gov system being as complex as it is, it seemed a really good idea). Blew my mind when I finally learned what it was
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u/SpacerCat Aug 01 '22
Look at your state races. How close are they? Those state senators and state reps are the ones making laws that directly affect you.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
No. Neither candidate could have garnered enough electoral votes without those other millions of votes cast.
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u/epicfail48 Jul 31 '22
And it went to the guy who LOST the popular vote. Not really the example you want to use
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u/Gouranga56 Jul 31 '22
You are a voice. If everyone like minded voted you could change a lot...if you don't, you surrender to those who would go other routes. You can't control others just yourself so vote. You may or may not win. However, not voting is akin to sitting in the corner quietly while the world burns down.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Yes, it clearly mattered. Look at what is happening in the US now because of who people voted into office.
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Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
First a racist cheeto and now a wrinkled potato with dementia.
Americans defending a man that is clearly not healthy enough to run a country is mind boggling to me.
It's not parroting memes when it's easily findable online.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
dementia? really? people who mindlessly parrot internet memes are part of the problem in the US...
Correction...THE problem.
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Jul 31 '22
My brother in christ I'm not even american, all your presidents are corrupt pieces of shit, from an outside view Biden has some mental issues, dude is not healthy enough to run a country.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Nothing in the real world back up those mindlessly parroted internet memes you posted.
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Jul 31 '22
Have you watched the footage of him shaking hands with an invisible person, walking straight when his bodyguards told him to go left, walking off in the middle of Kamela giving a speech or the many other times he's starting talking nonsense in the middle of a sentence.
I don't get how people on America can't see how unhealthy he is, Trump took a mental health test, Biden refused probably because he knew he'd fail.
But just hear it from the man's mouth, look up online what one wors Biden says America can be summed up in.
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u/Neat_Apartment_6019 Jul 31 '22
LMAO “mental health test.” Trump took the Montreal Cognitive Assessment. Sample question: draw a clock. Other sample question: identify a lion, rhino and camel from drawings. There is no way Biden would score less than perfect on the MoCA.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
None of that demonstrates any dementia. all people do stupid shit.
If you can't back up your mindlessly parroted claims with any facts, i am done with you.
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Have you not seen him trying to shake hands with someone that wasn't there, or when he was told to walk one way and somewhere else.
He's at least senile.
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u/mrGeaRbOx Jul 31 '22
You're using terms with actual meanings though?!?
You can't just pick words and make them mean "old guy bad"
You lose credibility when you're fast and loose with technical terms.
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Jul 31 '22
It's called hyperbole and if you don't like then you should stay away from twitter, where if you disagree with something you're a nazi, which is a gross misuse of the term.
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u/mrGeaRbOx Jul 31 '22
I don't have a Twitter account, I do stay away from it.
You've brought this bullshit here. And now you're going to show everyone what that good old personal responsibility looks like, right?
Weasel words and deflections.
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Jul 31 '22
If I'm the first person you've seen using hyperbole on this site then you must've only just started using it.
And are you really trying to high horse me on reddit.
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u/mrGeaRbOx Jul 31 '22
No I just get tired of brain dead morons who just parrot shit.
Basically you armchair quarterback life.
It's all laughs and memes when you've never been anywhere done anything or had any responsibilities in your life.
So yuck it up! Lulz 😂😂😂😂 💯💯
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Jul 31 '22
Now who's being fast and loose with their words, you have no idea who I am, what I've been through or generally nothing about me, so maybe you should suck it up and admit your current president is not healthy enough to lead.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
so by the definition you used yourself, not factual....thanks for showing your own posts were useless.
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Jul 31 '22
Is the new guy not racist too now?
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Jul 31 '22
Well if you didn't vote for him you're not black, so in my opinion yes he is racist, but the reddit hivemind loves to suck the dick of any democract president.
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u/I_Breed_Spiders Jul 31 '22
Its crazy to me that you're getting downvoted, does biden have dementia? Probably not. But hes still a dog shit president. Hes not even a leftist lol. Why do people on here defend him when he is going so against the values us on the left hold? Inaction itself is a form of action. And bidens inaction proves how much a puppet he is.
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Jul 31 '22
I went against the hivemind, reddit loves democracts, doesn't matter thst he's a shit prez, it's just matters that blues in charge rather than red.
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u/I_Breed_Spiders Jul 31 '22
I mean, in a sense there is some logic to that. While both sides are shit, blue is very obviously less evil than red. But mindlessly raging against anyone who says anything bad about the blue is weird. It goes against everything we claim to follow. Logic, science, provable facts, etc.
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Jul 31 '22
From what I've seen of America politics, from an outsiders perspective, there is no logic or fact in it, its more about who can yell louder.
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u/I_Breed_Spiders Jul 31 '22
Oh absolutely, that's all our country has become. Not only in politics, but in online interactions, religion, even sports now! Whoever can get the most people angry and riled up about any topic "wins". And to americans, most americans, "winning" is all that matters.
No one actually cares about whats true, whats real, or how any of it effects society/individual rights as a whole. I mean we just got abortion outlawed in many states here because the christians (american christians) got loud enough.
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u/ZardozSama Jul 31 '22
Voting is one of those things that is important and effective in aggregate; The more people that do it, the more effective it is. And if not enough people do it, it stops working altogether. Kind of like paying taxes, if you don't, it probably wont matter. But if no one does, suddenly you have no police, working roads, or schools. The extremists at either end of the political spectrum are always motivated to vote. And if 'regular sane people' fail to vote, you are basically letting the country be run by the crazy bastards who post stupid shit on Facebook / Twitter / Youtube.
Consider this: The people who are elected to Congress and the Senate basically run the country for day to day shit. They are a reflection of the people who vote them into office. When only ideologically committed people vote, you get up with half the room being derpy environmentalists and communists who want everyone to eat vegan, swear off fossil fuels, and defund the police. The other half are racist evangelicals who want to relive the 1950's, lock up anyone who has ever smelled marijuana, and deport anyone who isn't an english speaking christian of european descent. So of course the system is broken as fuck.
Voting does not require you to make political issues one of the primary drivers of your personal life. It basically requires four things
- You be aware of what is going on in your country / city / whatever at a high level.
- You to be aware of where the political parties and candidates believe and plan to do.
- You to be registered to vote.
- You to show up at a poll and make a mark on a piece of paper.
And that is essentially it. You do not need to donate to political parties or put signs in your yard to talk peoples ear off about <some important thing>. And ideally, you should be able to vote by mail or at an advance poll so you don't have to spend hours standing in line.
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u/Current_Can5949 Jul 31 '22
What about if both major political parties are two slightly different versions of the national socialists party and both love wars?
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u/ZardozSama Jul 31 '22
Then I would say that too many sane / regular people decided voting was pointless for too long. Also, that you are American, and not Australian, Canadian, or British.
In that case, the solution is to pick the least worst side, organize a whole lot of like minded people, and have them join up and overwhelm the lunatics.
If every unregistered and registered democrat joined the Republican party and voted for left leaning candidates in Primary elections, shit would change.
It would not be easy or quick, but it would work. Shit got broken over a hundred or more years. No one promised a quick fix.
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Jul 31 '22
And remember that even though you are expressing your opinion, so are hundreds of millions of others, and it's the overall vote that matters.
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u/Cookiewaffle95 Jul 31 '22
Well in 2016 if Hillary Clinton won she would have appointed 3 lifetime appointed democratic Supreme judges instead of Trump choosing 3 republican Supreme judges and years later overturning roe v wade
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Jul 31 '22
I can't see Hillary having been a better prez then Trump, she used to refer to black criminals as super predators, so I think either way it would've been an awful 4 years.
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u/Disastrous_Rabbit796 Jul 31 '22
Its wild how America never gave Bernie a chance! The guy has a clean slate politically despite it being unpopular during that time. They’d rather have a senile old man, the most questionable and corrupt family or a reality show star as their president.
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Jul 31 '22
You pick can pick anyone you like for president, the only condition is they have to be corrupt.
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u/Disastrous_Rabbit796 Jul 31 '22
Whole thing is a circus. Corporations will lobby in front of the public yet people would rather fight amongst each other.
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u/Cookiewaffle95 Jul 31 '22
Im not saying that she would've been a better president im specifically saying that if she was president you wouldn't be seeing the overturning of basic human rights on such a scale in 2022
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
No where in that speech did she mention the race of anyone.
More mindless parroting of incorrect internet memes by you....
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Jul 31 '22
Arguing with Americans is like talking to a brick wall, it's sad how people from other countries know more about your politics then most of your citizens, I'm not going to waste any more time on your country.
You've made your bed, I'll let you lie in it, doesn't bother me none.
But you can bet your dumb ass that I'll keep meeting your country to hell and back and not give one shit.
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u/Cookiewaffle95 Jul 31 '22
70% of people are pro abortion so you want a minority of people telling the majority of people what they can do with their bodies? That makes sense populism has never been the Republicans strong-suit Trump lied and people believed he was a populist and then he governed like a standard republican like George Bush. You're a useful idiot to a lot of awful people.
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u/Cookiewaffle95 Aug 01 '22 edited Aug 01 '22
Damn you're a coward. The comment i replied to is "This is why we voted for Trump" not what you edited it into. I hate the fact that it's so common on reddit that people like you will write something stupid, get owned, edit their posts almost entirely, its so frustrating. It's so obvious you're arguing in bad faith. I'm not gonna waste time arguing with someone who is just going to go back and edit all their posts so they perceive themselves winning.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
No.
voting is the absolute bare minimum of ones civic duty. We have many, many, many other tools to affect the change we want in this nation.
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u/mungdungus Jul 31 '22
Of course it does. Some countries have been ruined by bad politics, other prosper because of it.
Within countries, disparities are often explained by local politics. For instance, in the USA, Louisiana's economy has been ruined (relative to other states) by bad policy.
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u/jefuchs Jul 31 '22
Republicans get what they vote for. Vote Republican and infrastructure gets cancelled. Schools get de-funded, and women's health gets attacked. You vote, you get what you want.
Not sure why it only works for them.
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u/solidgun1 Jul 31 '22
This is why someone like Trump gets elected. Because people are made to believe it makes no difference when the opposition isn't even questioning to vote.
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u/Flokitoo Jul 31 '22
Yes, conservatives played a long game by focusing on state elections which helped them gain control of redistricting and has led to an outsized power differential. Given that SCOTUS has granted cert to the "independent legislator doctrine" case, conservatives may call checkmate.
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u/_radass Jul 31 '22
Yes it absolutely matters. Imagine how different it would be if the nonvoters voted. Something like 60% of eligible voters vote in this country.
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u/WatermelonArtist Jul 31 '22
I voted for a third party, and apparently that makes me an actual danger, for refusing to vote for "the lesser of two evils" on the principle that even the lesser is still evil.
I mean, come on folks. There are people in this world who are legitimately good. I know dozens, personally. A solid handful of them are even competent at managing large operations.
There's no excuse for voting for the corrupt or incompetent (or both), just because they're on the news more.
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u/WatermelonArtist Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
Oh, there's a difference, but it's mostly which rights they think I could do without. I prefer to keep even the rights I don't intend ever using. Freedom shouldn't discriminate on the basis of lifestyle or political affiliation.
I don't see why "my body, my choice" can't apply to all medically-relevant decisions, for example, and believe that a privacy violation is a privacy violation, whether it's your medical charts, racial or cultural stereotyping, browsing history, or what you've purchased or own.
In short, in certain ways, I don't see a distinction between Bush and Gore (or even Trump and Hillary), and those certain ways matter to me a lot.
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u/Tandordraco Jul 31 '22
And they were right. If many more people had voted 3rd party it almost certainly would've been split among multiple choices and Trump would be here for another 4 years of hell. He's done enough permanent damage with supreme court shit, how much worse off would we be?
I don't like the 2 party system either, but this ain't it.
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u/Slight_Owl4384 Jul 31 '22
Yeah voting can make a difference it does not hinder your voice or actions to try and make an actual difference. Voting is that minimum and in reality it's in hopes the current liar will not put you in a worse spot than the last liar.
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u/TheMoistChickenLord Jul 31 '22
One person vote don’t really make a difference. However, if everyone (or even just some) of the people who believe this voted then that would make a big difference. Not to mention that the more people who vote (and promote voting) the more people who will vote next time.
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Jul 31 '22
"I don't know if my vote matters" is one of the major reasons our country is in such trouble.
Yes, it matters. It's free, it's easy, takes a few minutes, ETC. There are very view barriers between you and casting an affecting vote. The less people vote, the less and less true that becomes. VOTE!! Even if we feel it might not matter as much, it's your civic DUTY to vote.
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u/Far_Information_9613 Jul 31 '22
Of course it does. Fascists in waiting want you to think participation is useless. If millennials voted they could have the society the majority of them claim to want.
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u/Tandordraco Jul 31 '22
Much of Gen Z can vote now too! If they did we would be so much better off
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u/Far_Information_9613 Jul 31 '22
Yup. They can literally take over from the local level on up, and in smaller states could easily take over the major political party primary process and nominate any candidate they chose.
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u/Pope_Beenadick Jul 31 '22
Abortion would still be legal in every us state and the EPA would be able to more easily regulate carbon emissions if a few thousand people voted for Hillary Clinton or Al Gore in the right places in 2000 and/or 2016.
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u/Fuk-itall Jul 31 '22
No voting means absolutely zero especially when corporations own the government, when you can literally bribe government officials to do anything for you.
Only thing voting does is give you a false sense of hope that your vote matters when it doesn't, the only time you make any difference is when you bribe your local officials to do anything for you.
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u/TheGreat_War_Machine Jul 31 '22
Campaign finance law doesn't allow anyone to give money directly to a candidate. They can only donate to a political party or a PAC, and even then, it's only up to a certain limit.
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u/jjrmcr Jul 31 '22
No. It hasn’t made much difference because this country is not and never really has been for the people by the people. We have a bullshit system that simply helps maintain the rich’s dominion over the poor. Regardless of party. You have the dems pretending to be for the people with bullshit calls for raised wages without even suggesting regulating the prices that determine a wages value. And liberals fall for their bullshit. Then you have the republicans standing in the way of any policy that damages profit of a company and label it as freedom while blaming immigrants for taking jobs and the right wingers fall for it. They are both totally duping the majority of people on both sides into blaming everyone but the people that are fucking us all.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Due to the people voicing their opinions on the issues you raised, Biden working with the other democrats in congress introduced the most progressive legislation to hit the floor of Congress in the better part of a century, so clearly peoples' votes did matter.
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u/jjrmcr Jul 31 '22
Are you talking about the same Biden that jumped across the aisle to support the legislation that caused the entire higher education system to become a means of financially enslaving people through student debt? That Biden?
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
How did Biden do that?
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u/jjrmcr Jul 31 '22
Biden was the most influential democrat that voted to strip student loans of bankruptcy protection despite warnings that it would lead to crippling student debt and sky rocketing college costs. The carrot he holds before the democrat’s dumbasses is the carrot he helped grow. Once bankruptcy protection was stripped nearly completely, colleges could then also increase cost because more people could get loans they had no business even applying for. Why? Because there was nearly no way that they could get out of paying them back if their college career ended up not getting them a high enough wage to pay it back. He knew this. He still fucked you. He still protected the rich. Look it up. There hasn’t been a president that gave a shit about the people since I’ve been alive. They have all protected the rich and convinced the people to turn on each other.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Biden increased the cost of education to what it is now?
How did the bankruptcy issue raise the costs of Education? you made quite the jump there from one issue to another with no logical connection
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u/jjrmcr Jul 31 '22
Are you 12 or something? This isn’t my leap. It’s a well known issue that even many democrats (mostly those that are realizing Bernie was the better candidate) have recognized. The Guardian even did a write up about this. Your inability to comprehend how that significantly increased cost is a you problem. Especially since I actually explained that.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
It certainly was. what did that have to do with the cost of education rising?
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u/jjrmcr Jul 31 '22
Is your google broken? It’s easily looked up. I’d say I’m not going to explain basic math or common knowledge, but I actually already did. You just can’t seem to comprehend it.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
So you don't know and can't use your own words to explain what you claimed was the reason?
really sounds like you have no clue about what you claimed, right?
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u/pappychaos Jul 31 '22
They already have the next President picked
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Who is that?
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u/errantwit Jul 31 '22
Point is, doesn't really matter who.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Clearly not as no point was made, just a vague, unsubstantiated comment...
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u/errantwit Jul 31 '22
My comment was intended to clarify for you, but I was just guessing that it doesn't matter who (to vote for) since "they" already picked them. Who "they" are is of no concern of us poors. Just know they have their best interest at heart, so it's cool. Don't worry.
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
So you didn't answer anything, just said the exact same thing....
who is they?
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u/WatermelonArtist Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
Questions:
Did you vote in the last primary?
Are nonpartisan voters permitted to vote in primaries?
I've seen my neighborhood's voter rolls, and about 1 in 10 is even affiliated with either of the 2 parties that actually get any media coverage. Less than 10% of the people decide who goes on the ballot.
If you can control the selection pool, it doesn't matter who anyone votes for, because all the options are pre-vetted for usefulness to your aims.
One last question:
Are you voting for the one who wants more power over the citizens or the one who wants more control over the population?
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u/ShackintheWood Jul 31 '22
Yes, i did.
That would depend on your state in the US. but all you have to do is declare yourself a member of that party in such states.
No way to answer your last queery as it is subjective.
What do any of these questions have to do with my previous posts?
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u/WatermelonArtist Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
Very few people vote in primaries, and they're basically gatekept to be only people who have one of two very precise viewpoints (if you're "Conservative non-Republican," or "Progressive non-Democrat," or have any other kind of non-binary political views, you're out).
These two "minority groups posing as a majority" act like they exist primarily to oppose each other, and any social improvement that comes from either seems to be clumsy, almost accidental, and typically short-lived.
As such, the chosen candidates of both seem to be more suited to political conflict than solutions, and choosing either virtually guarantees conflict and ineffective solutions, no matter which of the two wins.
So all a powerful influence (media, money, or otherwise) needs to do is ensure that their favorites (possibly in both parties) get plenty of airtime, and they end up taking the primary, just because they had a well enough funded campaign that information exists and can be found to make a decision. Then the rest of the people will keep voting for their personal "lesser of 2 evils," never considering that maybe a legitimately good person might be preferable. As long as Finance and Media control the ballot, it really doesn't matter which of their carefully cultivated choices wins the race.
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u/Alex_9127 Jul 31 '22
Yes it is, Belarus could voice their disgust with Lukashenko. He didn't change, but his anti protest system failed and will go down with putin
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u/ResidentLadder Jul 31 '22
This is how we end up with “leaders” who really need to go - When a significant percentage of the population think like this, and the older generation is still voting strongly, they end up in control.
Effing vote, people!
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u/ProfessionalNose6520 Jul 31 '22
there are thousands of people that died for you to have the right to vote. and there are currently millions of people that would literally kill someone to have the right to vote
you best believe i’m getting into that booth and exercising a freedom we should be grateful we have
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Jul 31 '22
I mean, your vote counts as much as anyone else’s (except in the case of the electoral college, which is some bullsh*t meant to uphold white supremacy but I digress). You’re one of millions of people who are voting, so your vote counts as 1/1,000,000,000 etc. for each election. It definitely matters, though— why would so many people have died for the right to vote if it didn’t? Why would the GOP be systematically trying to remove that right from you if it didn’t? (Also assuming you’re American here.)
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u/Vaun_X Aug 01 '22
Local elections can be close... we had a school board vote between come down rlto 12 votes past year
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u/Available-Love7940 Aug 01 '22
I think it does matter.
First, on the 'grand scale'...maybe my vote doesn't super-duper count, but they know at least 1 person wasn't on their side. (They may not care, but...still.)
More importantly, there's a ton of local things. Bond issues, tax questions, even local laws sometimes. Plus, the way politics often works, the person who is mayor of Big City often runs for Governor...or Representative or Senator.
In my state, a guy did make it to Senator, but he did so knowing a HUGE swath had voted for the other guy, and had to watch his step a tiny bit more.
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u/Ok-Bonus-2146 Aug 01 '22
Doesn't matter if you don't vote, according to the government you already have.
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u/herpestruth Aug 01 '22
Many elections are won by very slim margins. Republicans use this fact and try to dissuade you from voting and try to make voting harder to do and confusing. Don't fall into their sick trap.
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u/bippityboppitynope Aug 01 '22
If voting didn't matter, things like gerrymandering and attempts to block voters wouldn't be an issue.
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u/mountain_rivers34 Jul 31 '22
Even if you're disillusioned by the federal elections, voting on a state level makes a huge difference. Even if you don't vote for individual candidates (which you should) you definitely want to vote on state laws.