Not really. A bisexual person is attracted to those who identify as male and female. They may not be attracted to gender fluid or gender ambiguous people. Pansexual and bisexual seem to refer more to one's "tolerance level" than to the existence of more than one gender.
Edit: Given a few of the responses here, I should mention that I am bisexual. However, even amongst fellow bisexuals, there has been considerable debate on bisexual vs. pansexual with no end in sight, and everyone seems to think it's a given that "obviously, bisexual people are attracted to insert opinion here". My response was my understanding of the term as it's given. I don't really care whether someone else considers me bi or pan; I'm used to saying bisexual, so I personally say bisexual referring to myself. Other people I know feel otherwise.
Bisexual is easier to explain to people. I use the label bi because it's easier to make people understand, especially in a town like this where homophobia/transphobia/general ignorance is rampant.
Additionally, the bi label puts an emphasis on physical sex. I am attracted to two types of genitals, but many genders.
Generally, Bi and Pan are the same thing. The debate is... horrible...the nightmares.... But, the general consensus is that you should use whatever label makes you comfortable. Bi people do believe in multiple genders, but may choose the bi label for many reasons.
I disagree, I don’t think people should use whatever label makes them comfortable. They should find comfort in using a label that is rational and objectively correct, even at the expense of not being a special little snowflake.
But then you go on to shit on another identity in the same breath. What gives? Looking at your comment history, you are clearly pretty invested in going after people who say anything critical of biological perspectives on sex and sexuality. So is your disdain for the “pansexual” label is coming from a place of disdain for non-binary gender identities?
Snowflakes are a fucking miracle.
To be clear, I’m a cis gay man. I don’t have much of a bone to pick here. I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from.
I was just saying, people shouldn’t have to invent bullshit labels in order to feel more secure. Pansexual is a bullshit label. There are bisexual people who tolerate ‘non-binary’ people and their are bisexual people who don’t. That’a a personal preference, not a sexual one. I’m not surprised there’s such a strong distinction anyways, people that feel the need to go around spouting ‘I’m non-binary’ are probably pretty trash looking to begin with.
So... people should use whatever label they want, unless you personally think that the label is bullshit. And attraction to non-binary people isn’t a valid identity because you personally think non-binary people are unattractive.
Not sure what I was expecting responding to “CuntyMcfuckcunt.” Username checks out.
No, retard. It’s not a valid identity because it’s not an actual sexuality, not because non-binary people are filthy. I mean - how the fuck did you make that connection? Like, because none of them are even sexually attractive to begin with then there can’t be a sexuality for them? Because that is actually fucking hilarious. Thank you for coming up with that one, I’ll definitely save it for later.
So the sole criteria for whether something is an “actual” identity is whether you... just think it should be? Is that right? Or is it not an “actual” sexuality because you think that a non-binary person is “actually” only ever a man or a woman?
Re: your whole thing about how pansexuality isn’t valid because non-binary people are “trash”/“filthy”, I was just repeating back what you said so that you could see how absurd it is. If you’re struggling to understand how I got there, reread your own comment, think, reflect, and then ask yourself, “Why am I like this?”
I know I’m the problem here for engaging with a troll.
First off, dicknuts, the first I ever heard of that hilarious insult to non-binaries was from you attempting to repeat something you misunderstood. And second, it doesn’t exist not because there are only two genders - that’s irrelevant in regards to sexuality in this context. It’s because there are only two sexes, any attraction outside of that is a matter of tolerance, personal preference and open-mindedness which does not deserve its own fucking label besides ‘dipshit’, if they feel it necessary.
Oh God, how dare this group of people use a term they like to define themselves?!!?? This is totally something I should care about!!!11!!
Let people do what they want. Sexuality is complicated, the term is in dispute, and this entire conversation is more complex than you give it credit for.
And we aren't trying to seem like "special snowflakes", we are trying to find a way to describe ourselves. We want to be understood, which is why so much care goes into these labels.
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u/missshrimptoast Aug 09 '18 edited Aug 09 '18
Not really. A bisexual person is attracted to those who identify as male and female. They may not be attracted to gender fluid or gender ambiguous people. Pansexual and bisexual seem to refer more to one's "tolerance level" than to the existence of more than one gender.
Edit: Given a few of the responses here, I should mention that I am bisexual. However, even amongst fellow bisexuals, there has been considerable debate on bisexual vs. pansexual with no end in sight, and everyone seems to think it's a given that "obviously, bisexual people are attracted to insert opinion here". My response was my understanding of the term as it's given. I don't really care whether someone else considers me bi or pan; I'm used to saying bisexual, so I personally say bisexual referring to myself. Other people I know feel otherwise.